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BonesJones said:
We better not lose out on more than one first round pick for Ayton.

I just don't see Phoenix doing it.
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I see Phoenix doing it if we can get them some guys that are playable and Nurk. The Suns need more talent so this might do it.
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Pinwheel1 said:
That actually makes Dame look bad and not Joe.....and I am not sure I believe it.
What this guy is essentially telling you is that Dame gave Joe a list on June 26th and then decided to screw us (fans) by changing his mind in less than a week over what Joe said after the meeting? Is Dame really that petty? I don't believe he is. Something seems off with that story. Either way, Joe needs to do what is best for "us" while going off that original list. That seems like a fair comprise.

As far as the "he'd do right by him" statement...I am assuming he meant within reason.......and not taking back the bare minimum. Certainly, Dame realized that.
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Dame hasn't made a single decision to screw over Blazer fans. I agree that would be a fair compromise but if Cronin doesn't care what Dame wants after telling Dame he'd work with him if it ever came to this, why wouldn't Dame try to force his way into what he wants?
 
KingSpeed said:
When did Joe say that was never really the plan? Perhaps it is you who is putting words in other people’s mouths. And when did anyone say “Bones think this”?
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I was looking at direct quotes of Cronin's while making that post in case anyone wanted to challenge it.

Cronin Addresses Lillard Request, Free Agency | NBA.com
You met with Dame after the draft and before free agency, in which you only brought back returning free agents layers rather than bringing in new free agents. What happened there?

Joe Cronin: Free agency, the top priority was to retain Jerami Grant, which we did, and then the goal was to retain Matisse Thybulle as well. Meanwhile, there were a lot of different trade scenarios were were working and other free agents we were talking to. Our goal wasn’t to be super active directly in free agency, it wasn’t a market that we wanted to get heavy into. There were some players we were talking to and still are that may make sense. But for us, the goal to improve has always been via trade. It’s continuing to work those deals.
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Also, I'm talking about previous interactions that you probably didn't see because they didn't involve you.
 
blazerkor said:
I see Phoenix doing it if we can get them some guys that are playable and Nurk. The Suns need more talent so this might do it.
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Phoenix says no to taking back that extra salary so that they can duck the 2nd apron. Nurk + Martin still gets them under if my mental math is correct.

Hopefully Miami could renegotiate protections with OKC on that 2025 1st. I could see us settling for only two 1sts because we get Ayton.
 
If we get Lowry would he be eligible to be traded at the deadline for a 1st round pick or something to a team wanting an expiring contract?
 
Driew said:
If we get Lowry would he be eligible to be traded at the deadline for a 1st round pick or something to a team wanting an expiring contract?
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He would be eligible to be traded in I believe 60 days so yes in November..... sure a team can legally offer a 1st round pick but I can't imagine he has any value close to that. More likely a 2nd or dead salary as part of a larger trade.

edit as RR7 says yes immediately by himself he could be traded - but after 60 days he can be combined with other players in a trade.
 
Driew said:
If we get Lowry would he be eligible to be traded at the deadline for a 1st round pick or something to a team wanting an expiring contract?
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Lowry is not Josh Hart, a very versatile and active player on a 12m contract. Lowry is a backup PG who's lost a step, and is on the final year of his once great player contract. Nobody would "give up" a 1st to take on Lowry's 29m remaining.
 
noknobs said:
Deciding to publicly request a trade to one single team screws over Blazer fans... That's not even debatable.
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But he's not making that decision to screw you over. Blazer fans are collateral damage. But the return wouldn't have been much better anywhere else, so I think the "We're getting screwed" thing is overblown.
 
Whyachi said:
Lowry is not Josh Hart, a very versatile and active player on a 12m contract. Lowry is a backup PG who's lost a step, and is on the final year of his once great player contract. Nobody would "give up" a 1st to take on Lowry's 29m remaining.
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It would only be like 15 by then but I agree I think we'll get something at the deadline for Jerami but Lowry is likely going to be a buyout.
 
BonesJones said:
But he's not making that decision to screw you over. Blazer fans are collateral damage. But the return wouldn't have been much better anywhere else, so I think the "We're getting screwed" thing is overblown.
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So Dame wants to screw over the Blazers?
 
blazerkor said:
It would only be like 15 by then but I agree I think we'll get something at the deadline for Jerami but Lowry is likely going to be a buyout.
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He stays on the Blazers roster until the deadline, might be part of a larger trade if some big salaries need to be matched up. But yeah if he's here after the deadline certainly there would be a buyout.

I guess the only way not is if he has a great mentor relationship going with Scoot and just wants to stick around for the last months of the season as more of a veteran player coach, then take off for an early summer. Guy has done a lot of deep playoff runs and has a ring so might not have the same desires as other veteran buyout guys.
 
BonesJones said:
But he's not making that decision to screw you over. Blazer fans are collateral damage. But the return wouldn't have been much better anywhere else, so I think the "We're getting screwed" thing is overblown.
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Intent doesn't matter, it screwed us over, and it was obviously always going to screw us over. Disagree with you on the return wouldn't have been much better. Disagree with you big time.
 
BonesJones said:
But he's not making that decision to screw you over. Blazer fans are collateral damage. But the return wouldn't have been much better anywhere else, so I think the "We're getting screwed" thing is overblown.
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The idea that a player on his way out of a team obviously in a rebuild should be thinking about what condition he's leaving that team's roster and draft assets for the sake of the fucking fans is insane. This is Dame's life and career, it's our hobby.
 
noknobs said:
Intent doesn't matter, it screwed us over, and it was obviously always going to screw us over. Disagree with you on the return wouldn't have been much better. Disagree with you big time.
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What is the big return and where would it have come from?
 
blazerkor said:
The idea that a player on his way out of a team obviously in a rebuild should be thinking about what condition he's leaving that team's roster and draft assets for the sake of the fucking fans is insane. This is Dame's life and career, it's our hobby.
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Especially when some of those fans want to send him somewhere he doesn't want to be just to spite him.
 
BonesJones said:
Especially when some of those fans want to send him somewhere he doesn't want to be just to spite him.
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I love Dame, I think it would have been smarter to tell Joe behind closed doors that he only wants Miami and then publicly say Brooklyn, Toronto and a couple of other teams are all on the same list as Miami in no specific order. Dame kind of cut off his nose to spite his face but if he felt betrayed (which is what it sounded like on that podcast a week ago) I could see it... also if he ends up in Miami with the best roster possible around him, I guess it wouldn't have been smarter.
 
BonesJones said:
What is the big return and where would it have come from?
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How should I know? If he was willing to provide a list of teams that would create a lot more options and it would force teams to outbid each other. He chose one team, and it was a team that really doesn't have much that I want. This isn't rocket science.
 
Driew said:
Yeah but expirings are normally traded at the deadline it seems like.
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The advantage of for another team in trading for Lowry closer to the deadline is that while you need to assume his entire cap hit, you only need to pay him roughly half his salary and you get him for the stretch run and playoffs when he becomes far more valuable.

I could totally see a Lowry for other expiring and more useless on-court salaries + some assets at the deadline.
 
Graduate32 said:
The advantage of for another team in trading for Lowry closer to the deadline is that while you need to assume his entire cap hit, you only need to pay him roughly half his salary and you get him for the stretch run and playoffs when he becomes far more valuable.

I could totally see a Lowry for other expiring and more useless on-court salaries + some assets at the deadline.
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The salary issue is ultimately negated, though, because if you're matching salary, 30-30, then if we're half way through, you've already paid 15 to the guys you're trading.
 
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blazerkor said:
The idea that a player on his way out of a team obviously in a rebuild should be thinking about what condition he's leaving that team's roster and draft assets for the sake of the fucking fans is insane. This is Dame's life and career, it's our hobby.
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Dame's committed to this team for 3 more years at the cost of one hell of a lot of money.

Nobody should give 2 shits about what Dame wants after him publicly demanding a trade to a single team.
 
BonesJones said:
What is the big return and where would it have come from?
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Even if there wasn't a "big return" from another team, the absence of a "Miami-only" demand would entice more offers, giving Miami more incentive to actually offer their best assets. I firmly believe that the "Miami only" restriction is the reason Riley has felt comfortable lowballing Cronin for the past few months.
 
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