Miami Heat Dame Trade Ideas and Rumors (1 Viewer)

[wizenheimer]

Yes, the idea is Herro to free up that pick obligation, either by going to OKC or going to someone else and using whatever Herro returns to flip that to OKC and get the pick back.

But regardless, the onus to do that is on the HEAT, not the Blazers. Heat need to find out how to free it up. There are 29 other teams. You have Herro, JJJ and Martin as tools to get that pick back somehow (Blazers value Jovic IMO). Figure it out.

none of those guys are worth that 2026 unprotected pick; not close. Dame will be 36 then; Butler will be 37. As far as future picks go that's quite valuable

for that very reason, by the way, Portland essentially owning Miami;s 2028-2030 picks is pretty good value as well

 

[B-Roy]

If I'm OKC I would MUCH rather have 2026 than 2025. The 2026 draft is much better. There's no reason for them to NOT want to shift the pick to 2026.

Blazers need to be asking them to get the pick BACK. Not move protections, not move it to a different year. GET IT BACK.

Then the Heat won't need to worry about the Stepien rule and can offer 24/26/28/30 with swaps in 25/27/29. This is the line Joe needs to hold.

 

[Natebishop3]

Blazers need to be asking them to get the pick BACK. Not move protections, not move it to a different year. GET IT BACK.

Then the Heat won't need to worry about the Stepien rule and can offer 24/26/28/30 with swaps in 25/27/29. This is the line Joe needs to hold.

OKC has no reason to do that, and the Heat clearly don't have much in the way of assets to get them to move off. We can ask for it but I don't see how it's ever going to happen.

 

[B-Roy]

none of those guys are worth that 2026 unprotected pick; not close. Dame will be 36 then; Butler will be 37. As far as future picks go that's quite valuable

It's on Miami to figure that out. In a vaccum the value may be off but I wonder how much OKC truly values many of their firsts. They've been selling off firsts for less than perceived value over the last two years, partially because they already have too many. I think they would move it if you found a way to upgrade their roster now. Maybe that's with Herro, maybe that's with someone else, but that's where the job needs to be done.

 

[B-Roy]

OKC has no reason to do that, and the Heat clearly don't have much in the way of assets to get them to move off. We can ask for it but I don't see how it's ever going to happen.

I don't believe that, but regardless that's probably why a deal hasn't been completed yet.

 

[Natebishop3]

I don't believe that, but regardless that's probably why a deal hasn't been completed yet.

If I'm OKC, I'm going to want every single 2026 pick I can get my hands on (and the Blazers should have the same mindset.)

That's the draft with Boozer and Cooper Flagg.

 

[Natebishop3]

Richman says that if the Heat don't immediately finalize the Oladipo to OKC trade and the Max Strus to Cleveland trades, that means the Heat might be trying to use those deals to expand the Dame trade.

 

[LayneStaley]

Richman says that if the Heat don't immediately finalize the Oladipo to OKC trade and the Max Strus to Cleveland trades, that means the Heat might be trying to use those deals to expand the Dame trade.

Make Cle give up Jarret Allen, there’s a start.

 

[LayneStaley]

Wait so ur saying mia can back out of deals and try to rework them to help obtain more value but pdx not trading their best player ever for a pile of shit is gonna make players not want to play for the organization? Lol

 

[BBert]

Now some of you want to turn on Ant like some turned on Dame -- some of you fans are disgusting so fair weather it makes me sick. I will concede it possible Ant is overrated but let's see him this season since he will be the alpha maybe co-alpha while scoot is learning the NBA ropes then we can judge him.

I'm looking forward to the day when Scoot and Shae are the starting guards and Ant is the combo guard microwave shooter off the bench. That's going to be a good, possibly great, young rotation.

 

[blazerkor]

Wait so ur saying mia can back out of deals and try to rework them to help obtain more value but pdx not trading their best player ever for a pile of shit is gonna make players not want to play for the organization? Lol

They won't back out of those deals, tying those deals to ours can make the deal more attractive to us because we can take the young assets we want without having to take on extra salary like Duncan Robinson. The Nets have a deal or more like that too, that would make them giving us low to no salary pieces and them taking on money a lot easier.

Edit: The deals being referred to were lopsided deals where the Heat and Nets were sending out more salary than they were taking back.

 

[blazerkor]

I'm looking forward to the day when Scoot and Shae are the starting guards and Ant is the combo guard microwave shooter off the bench. That's going to be a good, possibly great, young rotation.

It should be game one of this upcoming season... not that they'll be dominant at first but I think Scoot and Shae should start and Ant should get used to coming off the bench from the jump.

 

[PCmor7]

I've said a couple of times to not take Barry Jackson seriously, because he's more fan than reporter. He posted this earlier today. Of course, it's a silly narrative that will get his audience's hopes up, but it's stupid. Why would the Blazers care about making a mess with a guy who isn't going to be playing for them, let alone facilitate his move to a competitor while destroying themselves? But Heat fans will buy into the anti-logic.

 

[BIG Q]

Wait so ur saying mia can back out of deals and try to rework them to help obtain more value but pdx not trading their best player ever for a pile of shit is gonna make players not want to play for the organization? Lol

It's not backing out. Just expanding them to include other teams/assets. Happens all the time. What they have already agreed to will still happen.

 

[Mediocre Man]

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Got it. Thank you

 

[Idog1976]

At this point I'm starting to want Lillard to go ANYWHERE but Miami. The National Media's entitled attitude of Portland needing to get absolutely robbed to help the Heat/Lillard is out of hand. The Heat keep low balling us not even offering Jaquez and Jovic. They can suck it.

 

[Natebishop3]

At this point I'm starting to want Lillard to go ANYWHERE but Miami. The National Media's entitled attitude of Portland needing to get absolutely robbed to help the Heat/Lillard is out of hand. The Heat keep low balling us not even offering Jaquez and Jovic. They can suck it.

Same. I want to see Heat fans rage out.

 

[Whyachi]

At this point I'm starting to want Lillard to go ANYWHERE but Miami. The National Media's entitled attitude of Portland needing to get absolutely robbed to help the Heat/Lillard is out of hand. The Heat keep low balling us not even offering Jaquez and Jovic. They can suck it.

Blazer broadcasting slobbered over Cam Reddish. Making fans believe everything the media tells them is really fun to do.

Jovic is tall and versatile, the next Lauri Markkanen. Jaquez has All-Star potential. Look at all these draft picks! Boom, it's done, let's make a deal.

 

[TBpup]

Part of the hang up is what Miami can get for Herro. Teams know the spot the Heat are in, so it's not like they are offering much for him knowing that Miami doesn't have leverage with Herro. So that hurts the value of what Portland gets back from Miami for Dame. There are a lot of moving parts which is why the agents are involved. They are trying to facilitate using what leverage they have with current or potential future clients to help out now for a favor later. (whatever that would be worth)

 

[Natebishop3]

50/40/90 <--- The 50 in this context usually refers to overall FG%.

But regardless, TS% is a much better measure of efficiency, and Herro is league average.

In discussions of the 50/40/90 clubs, the "50" implies not simply 2pt.%, but overall FG% (i.e. 3pt% & 2pt% combined). His overall FG% last year is 44%... which means he is a decent ways off of the 50%.

These guys are correct.

 

[Natebishop3]

Part of the hang up is what Miami can get for Herro. Teams know the spot the Heat are in, so it's not like they are offering much for him knowing that Miami doesn't have leverage with Herro. So that hurts the value of what Portland gets back from Miami for Dame. There are a lot of moving parts which is why the agents are involved. They are trying to facilitate using what leverage they have with current or potential future clients to help out now for a favor later. (whatever that would be worth)

Well this can’t be! Are you saying that teams don’t offer fair value when they know that a team is desperate?????

 

[Pinwheel1]

At this point I'm starting to want Lillard to go ANYWHERE but Miami. The National Media's entitled attitude of Portland needing to get absolutely robbed to help the Heat/Lillard is out of hand. The Heat keep low balling us not even offering Jaquez and Jovic. They can suck it.

Do we know that for sure? Or are we hearing that from Heat fans? Who is the source for this?

 

[BrianFromWA]

I think @Pinwheel1 was saying that the Jazz would be giving up draft picks for Herro. I don't think Herro has negative trade value. He's young, has good experience, he's a lights out shooter and a hard worker on defense. Pinwheel please correct me if I'm wrong.

he may work hard, but he's one of the most targeted players in the entire league. Last year Spo had to reduce his minutes by 1/3 in the playoffs because of it. Now he's young, athletic-ish, and works hard, so he may improve. But if there's one guard in the league that rivals how I feel when Ant is on the floor, it's Herro.

 

[riverman]

Fuck the heat! I've got air conditioning!

 

[BrianFromWA]

I still remember Olshey's first PC after he was hired. He explicitly said one of his primary jobs was to insure the Blazers ALWAYS had a cache of attractive assets to use as leverage in trade discussions. Maybe not in those exact words, but the meaning was clear

year after year after year, he failed in that primary job. The current state of the Blazers isn't all on Olshey, Cronin has some accountability and so do Jody & the Vulcans, but there is still a mess of a roster and a lack of talent to pin directly on Olshey

he also said "Let us worry about the cap [ed. by extension, "assets"], you worry about the product on the floor." Lost me there.

 

[BIG Q]

Part of the hang up is what Miami can get for Herro. Teams know the spot the Heat are in, so it's not like they are offering much for him knowing that Miami doesn't have leverage with Herro. So that hurts the value of what Portland gets back from Miami for Dame. There are a lot of moving parts which is why the agents are involved. They are trying to facilitate using what leverage they have with current or potential future clients to help out now for a favor later. (whatever that would be worth)

Maybe the agents should start telling GM's of teams willing to be a third trade partner with Miami that if they don't raise their offers for Herro, then they will steer their clients away from those teams in the future. They can even get Haynes and other media in on it too. The players should also look into this as well and take notice. If GM's are not willing to take it in the can for Herro, which helps Dame, then they should never play in those offending cities ever again. Yeah, that's the ticket!

 

[maxiep]

My guess is he's really uncomfortable with all of this but it's at the point of no return. Prob figured the fans would all have his back. Dames crew started tarnishing and throwing shade at brass long before Brass did the same, if at all.

He's making his own bed. His future. At this point, i doubt we ever see him back in Portland, even after his career.

Yep. He's never returning. I feel sorry for whoever owns Lillard Toyota. They're going to take a bath.

 

[maxiep]

I'd love a collection of 4 or 5 future first's with no protection....but I'm growing very pessimistic that will happen

what I expect: Dame (and maybe Nurkic) for Simmons, O'Neal, Jovic + Miami's 2028 & 2030 first's and a 2029 swap...and, one first round pick from Brooklyn

Why? The longer this goes on, the more it benefits us.

 

[RonBrewer]

Yep. He's never returning. I feel sorry for whoever owns Lillard Toyota. They're going to take a bath.

Maybe Scoot can buy it?

 

[PCmor7]