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Blazinaway said:
Lets all keep in mind what an albatross those last two yrs of Dame's contract might be - 58 and over 63 mil the last yr, I think he earns the next two yrs, but those last two could be very ugly as he will be 35/36
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I'm not sure about that.

both of those seasons are AFTER the new media deal money starts rolling in. I think there will be a lot of salaries in the 60M range by then
 
wizenheimer said:
I'm not sure about that.

both of those seasons are AFTER the new media deal money starts rolling in. I think there will be a lot of salaries in the 60M range by then
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I don't agree, I think the league is going to "scale" the increases for the new money deal as opposed to last time, but in any case it's huge for a guy who will be making 120 mil plus the last two years when he's 35/36

Here's the new rules Wiz"

"Cap smoothing

  • Salary cap rises will be capped at 10% each year.
    • This rule is notable after what happened in the summer of 2016, when the cap spiked by 32% and chaos ensued. Role players received more lucrative deals than expected, while the Warriors gained enough space to sign Kevin Durant."
 
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Blazinaway said:
I don't agree, I think the league is going to "scale" the increases for the new money deal as opposed to last time, but in any case it's huge for a guy who will be making 120 mil plus the last two years when he's 35/36

Here's the new rules Wiz"

"Cap smoothing

  • Salary cap rises will be capped at 10% each year.
    • This rule is notable after what happened in the summer of 2016, when the cap spiked by 32% and chaos ensued. Role players received more lucrative deals than expected, while the Warriors gained enough space to sign Kevin Durant."
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I know there will be smoothing

but look at the progression of the salary cap:

2023 $136,021,000
2022 $123,655,000
2021 $112,414,000

at that rate, it could be 150-155M next year. Then there is the new media deal bump. I've seen some projection of 170M on the low end and 180M on the high end for 2025-26. It's limited to a 10% increase though. If it's 175M, Dame's salary is around 33% of the cap. 170M it's 34%. 165M it's 35%. The year Dame has a 58M salary, there are already 10 other salaries over 50M and 7 of those are over 53M; there will be a lot more than that in 2 years as max players sign max deals
 
wizenheimer said:
I know there will be smoothing

but look at the progression of the salary cap:

2023 $136,021,000
2022 $123,655,000
2021 $112,414,000

at that rate, it could be 150-155M next year. Then there is the new media deal bump. I've seen some projection of 170M on the low end and 180M on the high end for 2025-26. It's limited to a 10% increase though. If it's 175M, Dame's salary is around 33% of the cap. 170M it's 34%. 165M it's 35%. The year Dame has a 58M salary, there are already 10 other salaries over 50M and 7 of those are over 53M; there will be a lot more than that in 2 years as max players sign max deals
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Come on many, it's gonna be a shit deal the last 2 years no matter how you spin it and it factors in his trade value , no way around it
 
wizenheimer said:
I just got completely fed up with the long hair asshole and his filibuster...don't know who he is but fuck that guy
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Can't stand him. Every
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time i see his bitch ass i think of this dude
 
Blazinaway said:
Come on many, it's gonna be a shit deal the last 2 years no matter how you spin it and it factors in his trade value , no way around it
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it's not going to be a great deal. But I think you're overrating how bad it will be. Maybe Dame will not lose that much over the next 4 seasons

Curry will be making 59.6M when he's 38; Dame will be making 58.5M when he's 35; Beal will be making 57M when he's 34; Kat will be 61M when he's 33; Booker 61M when he's 31

as far as it factoring in his trade value...sure. That's something teams have to gauge. It's also one of many reasons I've been saying for months that Portland was not going to get a "haul" for Dame. Lots of people here, apparently, were expecting it and it's never been close to realistic expectations
 
wizenheimer said:
it's not going to be a great deal. But I think you're overrating how bad it will be. Maybe Dame will not lose that much over the next 4 seasons

Curry will be making 59.6M when he's 38; Dame will be making 58.5M when he's 35; Beal will be making 57M when he's 34; Kat will be 61M when he's 33; Booker 61M when he's 31

as far as it factoring in his trade value...sure. That's something teams have to gauge. It's also one of many reasons I've been saying for months that Portland was not going to get a "haul" for Dame. Lots of people here, apparently, were expecting it and it's never been close to realistic expectations
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just because people are rightfully sticking up their noses at this bad faith Miami shit sandwich doesn’t mean they’re expecting KD/Gobert-level hauls.

Miami is trying to fleece Portland back to the Stone Age. By all accounts the nut high package that heat fans like to parrot online as ‘the best deal’ hasn’t even been offered.
 
Samuel said:
just because people are rightfully sticking up their noses at this bad faith Miami shit sandwich doesn’t mean they’re expecting KD/Gobert-level hauls..
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I have seen lots and lots of trade ideas here where the Blazers get back 4-5 first unprotected round picks, a swap or two, and good player(s) like Claxton
 
wizenheimer said:
I just got completely fed up with the long hair asshole and his filibuster...don't know who he is but fuck that guy
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Yeah that guy annoys the shit out of me and he has very little of merit to say. He just enthusiastically states a company line. Meanwhile, Broussard keeps it real and has integrity.
 
Haynes saying it's probably a 4 team deal. Mentioned Detroit as the 4th team.
 
Dame is very concerned about his image and legacy but...

Now he should be embarrassed by the garbage being offered for him in a trade.

Can he really feel proud to be traded for a package that is centered around Herro?

Dame wants to be viewed as a superstar at the level of Durant and Harden, but teams aren't willing to offer anything close to those deals for Dame.

He's at risk of being remembered as the guy who was traded for a half-eaten ham sandwich.

Maybe a little self reflection would be beneficial for him.
 
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blazerboy30 said:
Dame is very concerned about his image and legacy but...

Now he should be embarrassed by the garbage being offered for him in a trade.

Can he really feel proud to be traded for a package that is centered around Herro?

Dame wants to be viewed as a superstar at the level of Durant and Harden, but teams aren't willing to offer anything close to those deals for Dame.

Maybe a little self reflection would be beneficial for him.
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Dame doesn't care because he knows if MIA offered BAM back then he wouldn't have a chance to win a Championship. He wants them to not give up much to us.
 
Cleveland get:
Donovan Mitchell

Jazz get:
Lauri Markkanen
Collin Sexton
Ochai Agbaji
3 unprotected FRPs (25, 27, and 29)
2 pick swaps (26 and 28)

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Suns get:
Kevin Durant
TJ Warren

Nets get:
Mikal Bridges
Cameron Johnson
Juan Pablo Vaulet
2023 first-round pick (fr Phoenix)
2025 first-round pick (fr Phoenix)
2027 first-round pick (fr Phoenix)
2028 first-round pick swap (fr Phoenix)
2028 second-round pick (fr Milwaukee)
2029 first-round pick (fr Phoenix
2029 second-round pick (fr Milwaukee)

Bucks get:
Jae Crowder

Pacers get:
George Hill
Serge Ibaka
Jordan Nwora
3 future 2nd-round picks (fr Milwaukee)
Cash considerations (from Brooklyn)

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Timberwolves get:
Rudy Gobert

Jazz get:
Malik Beasley
Patrick Beverley
Leandro Bolmaro
Walker Kessler (22nd pick in '22 Draft)
Jarred Vanderbilt
2023 first-round pick
2025 first-round pick
2026 pick swap
2027 first-round pick
2029 first-round pick
 
And POR gets….Tyler fucking Herro?
What’s wrong with that scenario?
It is impossible to get a good deal with MIA. Facts is facts. They have bad assets on the table. Adding another team just give back three mediocre players for a slightly above mediocre Herro, but without the dopey sneer.

so we got that going for us
 
Cugel said:
And POR gets….Tyler fucking Herro?
What’s wrong with that scenario?
It is impossible to get a good deal with MIA. Facts is facts. They have bad assets on the table. Adding another team just give back three mediocre players for a slightly above mediocre Herro, but without the dopey sneer.

so we got that going for us
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Making a Miami deal work for us hinges on two things:

1. Miami giving up everything they have. This means both Jacquez and Jovic, the two picks they have and all swaps, plus amending the protections on their OKC pick to unlock a third first rounder in 2024 for us.

2. Herro being valued by a third team to the extent that he brings in both an additional first and young assets. (E.g., Brooklyn giving up a first plus Whitehead/Clowney). This would bring our haul to 4 firsts plus JJJ, Jovic, and Whitehead/Clowney.

This would be the minimum I would accept for a Miami deal. Anything less is a phone hanging up. And if no teams value Herro, sorry, no deal then.
 
Rather than get win-now assets I think we should just go for as many picks as possible. I don't like Simmons. He seems like a turd. But i do think it's a buy-low asset that turns into an expiring next year. It seems like it could be a value play. If we did something like the below (probably too rich in picks, not sure if the Thunder go for it), I think we could play DFS and Simmons until the deadline and see if they could be flipped for value. DFS is a good character vet that won't take shots from anyone. Ben is crazy but Thybulle and Mills could be helpful for him and maybe get something out of him. Patty may make a good vet mentor to Scoot. The big hole is at center, but we could sign b-ball Paul with the MLE and we're not winning this year anyways.

Scoot/Mills
Simons/Sharpe
Thybulle/(Sharpe/DFS)
Grant/DFS
Simmons/Reed

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Anyone that wants to deal him to MIA

1) is a heat fan >>> blazers fan
2) does not understand arithmetic.
3) perhaps most disturbingly, thinks they know Dame personally based on public image etc. "oh he's a great guy..."

Tell you what: Dame does not/would not like you or be your friend. Ever. You have nothing in common. It's like thinking "oh I love john lennon, he and I would have been friends"
 
blazerboy30 said:
Dame is very concerned about his image and legacy but...

Now he should be embarrassed by the garbage being offered for him in a trade.

Can he really feel proud to be traded for a package that is centered around Herro?

Dame wants to be viewed as a superstar at the level of Durant and Harden, but teams aren't willing to offer anything close to those deals for Dame.

He's at risk of being remembered as the guy who was traded for a half-eaten ham sandwich.

Maybe a little self reflection would be beneficial for him.
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I disagree a little bit, Dames value is only lessened because of his stubbornness + lack of assets for the team he's being a diva about going to. The market would be ripe and offers would be higher if he expanded it (I.E. wasn't fucking selfish).
 
Freshtown said:
Making a Miami deal work for us hinges on two things:

1. Miami giving up everything they have. This means both Jacquez and Jovic, the two picks they have and all swaps, plus amending the protections on their OKC pick to unlock a third first rounder in 2024 for us.

2. Herro being valued by a third team to the extent that he brings in both an additional first and young assets. (E.g., Brooklyn giving up a first plus Whitehead/Clowney). This would bring our haul to 4 firsts plus JJJ, Jovic, and Whitehead/Clowney.

This would be the minimum I would accept for a Miami deal. Anything less is a phone hanging up. And if no teams value Herro, sorry, no deal then.
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yes on #1,
Close on #2 but realistically they are not going to bend over backward to help. I would not count on Clowney or Whitehead. They have lots of picks so maybe 2 picks and Simmons. There has to be a salary coming back in some form. I am fine with taking back Simmons but maybe he gets moved to the 4th team for a pick?
 
Strenuus said:
I disagree a little bit, Dames value is only lessened because of his stubbornness + lack of assets for the team he's being a diva about going to. The market would be ripe and offers would be higher if he expanded it (I.E. wasn't fucking selfish).
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Sure...he can always tell himself that, as a hypothetical. If frogs had wings, etc, etc. :breakdance:


But the objective reality will have him recorded as being traded for a bag of popcorn while other true superstars actually returned huge trade packages.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
yes on #1,
Close on #2 but realistically they are not going to bend over backward to help. I would not count on Clowney or Whitehead. They have lots of picks so maybe 2 picks and Simmons. There has to be a salary coming back in some form. I am fine with taking back Simmons but maybe he gets moved to the 4th team for a pick?
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getting two picks from Brooklyn (one for Herro, one to take on Simmons) and thus moving our pick haul to 5 is acceptable to me. I’d push for either Clowney or Finney Smith in addition though.
 
I don’t think the return package will be as bad as some fear.

It really is shocking how badly his representation and Dame are going about this, they might get the end result but why spend 10 years building a rep to destroy it in a week. This villain dame doesn’t have the same appeal.
 
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