Miami Heat Dame Trade Ideas and Rumors

[Idog1976]

I read that Detroit is one of the teams that likes Herro. So this is a trade that I would be cool with:
-We send Dame and Nurk to Miami and a second round pick (the worst of the two that we will get in the upcoming draft) to Detroit.
-Miami sends Lowry, Jaquez, Jovic and their 2024, 2028 and 2030 FRPs to us and they send Herro to Detroit.
-In two separate but contingent trades Detroit sends us Joe Harris and Jalen Duren.
(Harris would be part of the three team trade but can't be aggregated with another player from his team going out so the second round pick for Duren would officially be a separate trade, if the trade goes down after 9/4 then it could all just be one deal)

For Dame and Nurk we get Lowry who is totally the right type of pro to teach all of the young guys on this team the ropes. More importantly we get three first round picks and we get Duren, Jovic, and Jaquez. At the trade deadline we would see who is interested in Lowry and Jerami and maybe even Joe, in order to get more picks, prospects and if we have to take on a bad contract that would be fine at this point.

I also read that the Raptors are interested in Herro. I think from the Raptors we should be able to get Dick, Achiuwa and the expiring contracts of Porter and Young who we would probably have to waive just because we won't have enough roster spots.

Now see getting Duren could get me somewhat excited assuming we also clean their clock of every swap, every 2nd, every bit of loose change they finder under the bleachers and then maybe a bit more than that. I still just cannot stomach sending Dame to Miami under any circumstances though. Duren is someone I covet though so there's that.

 

[Pinwheel1]

I don’t want picks that are “years away,” or even the 18th pick—and neither should Portland. The Blazers have to get more than that for Lillard.

If you don't like the 18th pick then you are either saying that you don't want any picks or you just want lottery picks. Kind of hard to guess who will be in the lottery and when. I think that is what the "years away" proponents are thinking.

But to be honest I don't care about picks either. I would be happy with just want one good young starter who is a forward or center to go with our young guards. What is your suggestion? Is it realistic?

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I read that Detroit is one of the teams that likes Herro. So this is a trade that I would be cool with:
-We send Dame and Nurk to Miami and a second round pick (the worst of the two that we will get in the upcoming draft) to Detroit.
-Miami sends Lowry, Jaquez, Jovic and their 2024, 2028 and 2030 FRPs to us and they send Herro to Detroit.
-In two separate but contingent trades Detroit sends us Joe Harris and Jalen Duren.
(Harris would be part of the three team trade but can't be aggregated with another player from his team going out so the second round pick for Duren would officially be a separate trade, if the trade goes down after 9/4 then it could all just be one deal)

For Dame and Nurk we get Lowry who is totally the right type of pro to teach all of the young guys on this team the ropes. More importantly we get three first round picks and we get Duren, Jovic, and Jaquez. At the trade deadline we would see who is interested in Lowry and Jerami and maybe even Joe, in order to get more picks, prospects and if we have to take on a bad contract that would be fine at this point.

I'm sorry, but there's little to no reason to believe that the Pistons would give up their most promising young big for a guard who they could only envision being a reserve behind Cunningham and Ivey. If they are interested in Herro, it's likely spare parts like Hayes or Sasser they'd pair with Harris or Bojan.

 

[RR7]

I'm sorry, but there's little to no reason to believe that the Pistons would give up their most promising young big for a guard who they could only envision being a reserve behind Cunningham and Ivey. If they are interested in Herro, it's likely spare parts like Hayes or Sasser they'd pair with Harris or Bojan.

thank you voice of reason! Can't see any reason they trade Duren for Herro.

 

[Bingo Bango]

If you don't like the 18th pick then you are either saying that you don't want any picks or you just want lottery picks. Kind of hard to guess who will be in the lottery and when. I think that is what the "years away" proponents are thinking.

Utah and OKC, to name two teams, have 1st round picks from other teams in next year’s draft and the ones after. That’s the kind of thing Portland should be going after. I don’t know what kind of picks other teams have, and you obviously need a team that wants a player like Lillard, but Portland needs to get some good first round picks.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Utah and OKC, to name two teams, have 1st round picks from other teams in next year’s draft and the ones after. That’s the kind of thing Portland should be going after. I don’t know what kind of picks other teams have, and you obviously need a team that wants a player like Lillard, but Portland needs to get some good first round picks.

Yep. Would be great if Utah would be willing to give up some assets for Herro. Could maybe cobble together a decent return on a Dame-to-Miami deal.

 

[blazerkor]

I don't know if NBA front offices take two or three weeks of at the beginning of August but I think that whenever they get back Miami will be in a desperate mode unless they have a plan B. So I think before the end of August or right at the beginning of September this deal will get done. I think most logically it will be Dame and Nurk going to Miami, with Miami unlocking their 2024 pick from OKC and giving us their unprotected first round picks in '24, '28 and '30, Jaquez, Jovic, Lowry's expiring and the both us and Miami will work to find the best landing spot for Herro that yields us the best return.

This will happen before training camp or some team will come out of nowhere and get everything done within a week of any trade rumors to swoop Miami. Dame will not be a Blazer by training camp, it's a harsh reality but I think it's the most likely outcome.

 

[KingSpeed]

Yep. Would be great if Utah would be willing to give up some assets for Herro. Could maybe cobble together a decent return on a Dame-to-Miami deal.

Or for Dame.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Or for Dame.

Not sure that Dame fits the timeline Ainge is shooting for, or that the necessary acquisition cost would be something they'd be interested in paying.

 

[Phatguysrule]

I don't know if NBA front offices take two or three weeks of at the beginning of August but I think that whenever they get back Miami will be in a desperate mode unless they have a plan B. So I think before the end of August or right at the beginning of September this deal will get done. I think most logically it will be Dame and Nurk going to Miami, with Miami unlocking their 2024 pick from OKC and giving us their unprotected first round picks in '24, '28 and '30, Jaquez, Jovic, Lowry's expiring and the both us and Miami will work to find the best landing spot for Herro that yields us the best return.

This will happen before training camp or some team will come out of nowhere and get everything done within a week of any trade rumors to swoop Miami. Dame will not be a Blazer by training camp, it's a harsh reality but I think it's the most likely outcome.

I don't think it's harsh not having Dame in training camp. I think it's fine as long as we get good value in return.

 

[PCmor7]

I don't know if NBA front offices take two or three weeks of at the beginning of August but I think that whenever they get back Miami will be in a desperate mode unless they have a plan B. So I think before the end of August or right at the beginning of September this deal will get done. I think most logically it will be Dame and Nurk going to Miami, with Miami unlocking their 2024 pick from OKC and giving us their unprotected first round picks in '24, '28 and '30, Jaquez, Jovic, Lowry's expiring and the both us and Miami will work to find the best landing spot for Herro that yields us the best return.

This will happen before training camp or some team will come out of nowhere and get everything done within a week of any trade rumors to swoop Miami. Dame will not be a Blazer by training camp, it's a harsh reality but I think it's the most likely outcome.

I don't know why the NBA front office would be that concerned about getting this done immediately that it would force the Blazers into taking a bad deal. It didn't do that in the Durant situation. Why would they involve themselves here and take away the Blazers leverage?

 

[STOMP]

I don’t want picks that are “years away,” or even the 18th pick—and neither should Portland. The Blazers have to get more than that for Lillard.

Again, future picks are trade gold that can be used whenever. For instance, Jeremi Grant was acquired from Detroit for a 2025 Milwaukee Bucks 1st that Portland held. Days later, the Pistons then used that same pick to acquire Jalen Duren.

STOMP

 

[blazerkor]

I don't know why the NBA front office would be that concerned about getting this done immediately that it would force the Blazers into taking a bad deal. It didn't do that in the Durant situation. Why would they involve themselves here and take away the Blazers leverage?

I said, "NBA front offices" as in the front office staff from each team in the league. According to a lot of different reports I've read and not just this year, all general managers and their staffs tend to go on vacation around this time every year.

 

[PCmor7]

I said, "NBA front offices" as in the front office staff from each team in the league. According to a lot of different reports I've read and not just this year, all general managers and their staffs tend to go on vacation around this time every year.

Ah, OK. Obviously, I thought you meant the NBA front office. Sorry for misunderstanding.

That said, I still don't see any need for the Blazers to rush. If Dame wants to be a poor influence for an organization that kept his cousin on the roster for two years, there's no reason not to pay him to stay home while they wait for a better deal to possibly appear. They aren't going to win this year whether he sits at home on the roster or if they trade him for spare parts before the year. The only difference is, in the former case, there's always still a chance something better will arise. The Blazers don't need to rush. They have until the trade deadline. They actually have beyond the trade deadline, if they want.

 

[blazerkor]

Ah, OK. Obviously, I thought you meant the NBA front office. Sorry for misunderstanding.

That said, I still don't see any need for the Blazers to rush. If Dame wants to be a poor influence for an organization that kept his cousin on the roster for two years, there's no reason not to pay him to stay home while they wait for a better deal to possibly appear. They aren't going to win this year whether he sits at home on the roster or if they trade him for spare parts before the year. The only difference is, in the former case, there's always still a chance something better will arise. The Blazers don't need to rush. They have until the trade deadline. They actually have beyond the trade deadline, if they want.

I agree completely. I just don't think that the Heat have that luxury. So if Joe will take expiring contracts, Jaquez, Jovic and four FRPs (one from a third team that likes Herro)... then I think it gets done before training camp. If Joe wants to put the screws to Miami that's great too. I just think between next week and training camp not only will things start to get intense between us and Miami but I think there could also be some other teams with interest in Dame. I guess we'll see.

I do think it's ideal for us to be able to move on from this but like you said, we don't need to rush anything.

 

[wizenheimer]

I agree completely. I just don't think that the Heat have that luxury. So if Joe will take expiring contracts, Jaquez, Jovic and four FRPs (one from a third team that likes Herro)... then I think it gets done before training camp. If Joe wants to put the screws to Miami that's great too. I just think between next week and training camp not only will things start to get intense between us and Miami but I think there could also be some other teams with interest in Dame. I guess we'll see.

I do think it's ideal for us to be able to move on from this but like you said, we don't need to rush anything.

I don't agree with your timeline because I don't think Miami will offer that kind of package. That just doesn't seem to fit Riley's M.O.

and it could very well be that the Blazer front office has determined that no package Miami can assemble will be good enough. It sure doesn't look good enough to me

this is a classic impasse right now, and training camp is unlikely to change that. Portland doesn't like Miami assets; Miami has no urgency in maxing out their offer; and Dame's agent torpedoed Dame's value with the 28 other teams in the league. Right now it looks like a better than even chance Dame will be in Portland's starting lineup when the season begins. The best hope for Portland maximizing value in a Dame trade is for Dame to fire his agent, he opens up to more potential destinations, and begins play next season at the same level as last year.

 

[BassPlaya]

Dame will get traded when a championship window opens up...in season...for a team that needs his prowess. Or, when a team that is already eyeing a title, loses a player to injury.

In the mean time, he is a Trailblazer, love him or hate him.

 

[BIG Q]

And I just want to say, if it so happens that Dame is on the Portland roster to start the season, Portland does not need Dame playing 40 minutes a game. They do not need 32+ ppg. If Dame is still on the roster along with Scoot, Sharpe, Ant and Thybulle Portland has the luxury of spreading playing time around. I am not under any illusion that Dame will be reversing course on asking out. And I do not want him to, just expand the list of teams he would prefer from Miami to 3-5 teams. Otherwise he will be a side note to history. The league will be forced to address this situation, along with Hardens as a major problem they did not foresee. I am fine with players making as much as they can, Jordan was never paid his true value on the court. But at some point a contract is just that, a contract enforceable by the player and the team. Maybe they come up with a mechanism for a player to buy his way out of a contract and become a free agent. Just spit balling. Have no idea how that would work. But teams should not be forced to take on another teams dreck to accommodate a player under contract. Portland agreed to pay Lillard, not Herro, not Lowry. It is completely ludicrous. And I personally do not care that Lillard has been with the club 10 years. He has only been with the club for 10 years because they were willing to pay him max, every time he was eligible. He should have never signed the super max. Simple.

 

[Kano John]

I don't agree with your timeline because I don't think Miami will offer that kind of package. That just doesn't seem to fit Riley's M.O.

and it could very well be that the Blazer front office has determined that no package Miami can assemble will be good enough. It sure doesn't look good enough to me

this is a classic impasse right now, and training camp is unlikely to change that. Portland doesn't like Miami assets; Miami has no urgency in maxing out their offer; and Dame's agent torpedoed Dame's value with the 28 other teams in the league. Right now it looks like a better than even chance Dame will be in Portland's starting lineup when the season begins. The best hope for Portland maximizing value in a Dame trade is for Dame to fire his agent, he opens up to more potential destinations, and begins play next season at the same level as last year.

I find it interesting that Miami apparently doesn't value Dames services enough to put together a decent package for him. If I was Dame I would be feeling a little insulted about now.

 

[Phatguysrule]

I find it interesting that Miami apparently doesn't value Dames services enough to put together a decent package for him. If I was Dame I would be feeling a little insulted about now.

They don't have enough without including Jimmy or Bam. Trade either of them and you no longer compete. So why make the trade at all?

The only way for Miami to get Dame is for both Portland and Miami to work hard to get him there. And it'll likely take the help of another team as well.

Or for Portland to bend over and spread their cheeks. Costing Cronin his opportunity to ever get an NBA management position again.

 

[BassPlaya]

He has only been with the club for 10 years because they were willing to pay him max, every time he was eligible. He should have never signed the super max. Simple.

To the bolded....I'm curious. I can not think of a single player that would turn down that deal. Not a one. Now....one could argue that it should not have been offered, but that is a different argument.

 

[BIG Q]

To the bolded....I'm curious. I can not think of a single player that would turn down that deal. Not a one. Now....one could argue that it should not have been offered, but that is a different argument.

You are completely correct. Nobody would turn it down. Portland had to offer it. NeO created the mess that Cronin inherited giving away picks and creating a good 6'5 and under team. Cronin had a lot to clean up, but that was after Dame got the extension which was a no brainer at the time. As has been pointed out plenty, optimism was at too high of a level from management. I didn't see sustained success with the roster from the past two seasons. They then lucked in to Sharpe and Scoot. Dame needs to open up his list so that Portland can get something they can use. If not, he sits.

 

[BassPlaya]

You are completely correct. Nobody would turn it down. Portland had to offer it. NeO created the mess that Cronin inherited giving away picks and creating a good 6'5 and under team. Cronin had a lot to clean up, but that was after Dame got the extension which was a no brainer at the time. As has been pointed out plenty, optimism was at too high of a level from management. I didn't see sustained success with the roster from the past two seasons. They then lucked in to Sharpe and Scoot. Dame needs to open up his list so that Portland can get something they can use. If not, he sits.

Thanks for clarifying. As far as the bolded....I think Cronin deserves some cred for those selections. They were not the common choices that the fanbase wanted. Most wanted the team to trade those draft assets. But I agree, there was some luck as far as those players falling.

 

[Phatguysrule]

To the bolded....I'm curious. I can not think of a single player that would turn down that deal. Not a one. Now....one could argue that it should not have been offered, but that is a different argument.

Good. That's the intent. Now he can shut up and honor it.

 

[BIG Q]

Thanks for clarifying. As far as the bolded....I think Cronin deserves some cred for those selections. They were not the common choices that the fanbase wanted. Most wanted the team to trade those draft assets. But I agree, there was some luck as far as those players falling.

I agree, Cronin deserves credit for the picks, along with the draft guy they signed. His name escapes me now. Hopefully he was involved. Gambling on Sharpe was ballsy. Scoot was a no brainer, but they get the credit if it works out.

 

[PCmor7]

They don't have enough without including Jimmy or Bam. Trade either of them and you no longer compete. So why make the trade at all?

The only way for Miami to get Dame is for both Portland and Miami to work hard to get him there. And it'll likely take the help of another team as well.

Or for Portland to bend over and spread their cheeks. Costing Cronin his opportunity to ever get an NBA management position again.

There IS a way, but I don't think the Heat have the gumption to do it. That would be to trade Bam. The assets they could bring back from that would give them something else to flip to the Blazers (or another team for something that could go to the Blazers) and perhaps bring enough back in other positions to offset and even get a little bit better by trading him away.

I don't think they'd do that. I wouldn't. I think the risk outweighs the reward. It's a Moneyball move where you measure where you could replace him in the aggregate, because he's the one piece they could move that would have enough value with enough other teams to recover more than they were giving up.

 

[blazerkor]

Is this realistic? I think Miami will end up doing something like this as the season approaches and I don't buy into the idea that another good workout video from Simmons means he now has a lot of positive trade value.


Then we might look to move Ant to Toronto who needs a long term lead guard. I think Ant is worth these young players and expiring contracts both of which (Porter and Young) we would need to waive.

 

[Natebishop3]

Is this realistic? I think Miami will end up doing something like this as the season approaches and I don't buy into the idea that another good workout video from Simmons means he now has a lot of positive trade value.
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Then we might look to move Ant to Toronto who needs a long term lead guard. I think Ant is worth these young players and expiring contracts both of which (Porter and Young) we would need to waive.
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Brooklyn really hasn't shown much interest in getting involved... at least no real rumors.

 

[cheesehoff]

I'd do the Ant to Toronto part 110%. I think Koloko will be a very good role player. I'm not a big fan of Dick, though.

 

[wizenheimer]

I'm not a big fan of Dick, though.

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