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Then we might look to move Ant to Toronto who needs a long term lead guard. I think Ant is worth these young players and expiring contracts both of which (Porter and Young) we would need to waive.
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I'd do this deal every day and twice on Sunday. Why would Toronto do that?
 
RonBrewer said:
Then we might look to move Ant to Toronto who needs a long term lead guard. I think Ant is worth these young players and expiring contracts both of which (Porter and Young) we would need to waive.
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They need a long term solution at lead guard. I think Ant has proven that he can do that at a pretty high level. Maybe it's just me overvaluing our players but although there was a rumor that Toronto wasn't into Ant for OG they might be more open to a player they haven't invested as much into and seen have a ton of success.
 
RonBrewer said:
Then we might look to move Ant to Toronto who needs a long term lead guard. I think Ant is worth these young players and expiring contracts both of which (Porter and Young) we would need to waive.
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I'd do this deal every day and twice on Sunday. Why would Toronto do that?
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While I wouldn't do that deal any day of the week let alone Sunday, Toronto's motivation would be that they'd be getting the best player in the deal at a position of real need for them.

STOMP
 
Rastapopoulos said:
The 5-team Damian Lillard-James Harden trade no one is talking about
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Maybe there's a good reason nobody's talking about it?
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Not sure what Washington's inclusion in that really accomplishes, or how it's any better than the (not great) 4-team version that I've posted a couple times.

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In fact, I'd go so far as to say their's is markedly worse. Their version has us taking Powell back, taking Duncan Robinson, and giving up Nurk for that privilege? Just terrible.
 

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PtldPlatypus said:
Not sure what Washington's inclusion in that really accomplishes, or how it's any better than the (not great) 4-team version that I've posted a couple times.

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In fact, I'd go so far as to say their's is markedly worse. Their version has us taking Powell back, taking Duncan Robinson, and giving up Nurk for that privilege? Just terrible.
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Don't you know Washington is just biting at the bit to get Lowry?
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Not sure what Washington's inclusion in that really accomplishes, or how it's any better than the (not great) 4-team version that I've posted a couple times.

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In fact, I'd go so far as to say their's is markedly worse. Their version has us taking Powell back, taking Duncan Robinson, and giving up Nurk for that privilege? Just terrible.
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Plus, I don't see Morey wanting to facilitate Dame to Miami in any way, shape, or form.

Morey is staring down the barrel of an Embiid gun. If he loses Harden for a pile of garbage, which is what LAC and Miami are offering for superstar players, he's going to lose Embiid. There's no way Embiid is going to be happy with Tyler Herro as the best player coming back in a Harden trade.

If I'm Embiid, I'm furious right now at Morey. He went from a lineup featuring Simmons, Butler, Harris to now potentially having Maxey, Herro, and Harris? That would be depressing.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Not sure what Washington's inclusion in that really accomplishes, or how it's any better than the (not great) 4-team version that I've posted a couple times.

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In fact, I'd go so far as to say their's is markedly worse. Their version has us taking Powell back, taking Duncan Robinson, and giving up Nurk for that privilege? Just terrible.
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Don't forget she also says we have to waive JABARI WALKER
 
Labinot41 said:
I never thought i would hate a reporter this much

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He's a nerd. Just like Fentress. Both were the last pick in every kick ball, basketball and baseball game growing up. They both probably had a little black book hit list until they got therapy later in life.

Both still play Dungeons and Dragons and dress up for campaigns
 
Blazers get 4 FRP plus a first round swap, plus a better value at center, plus two prospects in Jaquez/Jovic
Heat gets Dame/Nurk/Korkmaz and get to keep their 2024 pick, 2027 pick, and one of 2025/2026 with OKC getting the other.
Clippers Get Harden
6ers get Herro and Martin both starting quality with some backup Batum minutes
 
Natebishop3 said:
I'll ask my question again - why would Philly want to help facilitate Dame to Miami?
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Because the Harden situation is toxic. Yes Morey is ok pushing for a time with that, but Harden also doesn't have a ton of trade value. Herro and Martin are both starting caliber players and either or both could potentially have better seasons than a mid 30's Harden on an expiring contract. Herro is locked up much cheaper for 4 more years. Martin is on an excellent contract.

They have Maxey and Embiid as the stars of the offense. They don't need a lesser offensive star focal point - they need complimentary supporting players like Herro and Martin - to a lesser extent on the bench for one season Batum.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Because the Harden situation is toxic. Yes Morey is ok pushing for a time with that, but Harden also doesn't have a ton of trade value. Herro and Martin are both starting caliber players and either or both could potentially have better seasons than a mid 30's Harden on an expiring contract. Herro is locked up much cheaper for 4 more years. Martin is on an excellent contract.

They have Maxey and Embiid as the stars of the offense. They don't need a lesser offensive star focal point - they need complimentary supporting players like Herro and Martin - to a lesser extent on the bench for one season Batum.
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Maybe.... but I think the main concern is keeping Embiid happy, and if they lose Harden and they don't replace him with another star, I think they have to seriously consider shopping Embiid.

Is this team a contender?

Maxey
Herro
Martin
Harris
Embiid

I don't think that team is even close to being as good as Boston or Miami (if they had Dame).
 
Natebishop3 said:
Maybe.... but I think the main concern is keeping Embiid happy, and if they lose Harden and they don't replace him with another star, I think they have to seriously consider shopping Embiid.

Is this team a contender?

Maxey
Herro
Martin
Harris
Embiid

I don't think that team is even close to being as good as Boston or Miami (if they had Dame).
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Maybe they view it that way or maybe not. If they thought Harden was a real star they would've locked him up long term. They don't view him that way and pushed for him to get on a cheaper expiring contract instead. I'd give that 6ers team you list much higher odds of winning in the playoffs than their current squad. Herro/Martin/Maxey are all in their 20's with upside that Harden doesn't have. They probably still need another addition but they would be one step away instead of currently being 2-3 moves away.

Boston/Milwaukee/Miami are all probably above the 6ers now as well as after a trade but its not a huge gap. Any of these teams could easily beat the other next season.
 
RonBrewer said:
Then we might look to move Ant to Toronto who needs a long term lead guard. I think Ant is worth these young players and expiring contracts both of which (Porter and Young) we would need to waive.
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What are you smoking bro?
You want to trade a young 22 who has not even reached his prime for that garbage? Bad take my friend, that makes zero sense.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Not sure what Washington's inclusion in that really accomplishes, or how it's any better than the (not great) 4-team version that I've posted a couple times.
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Getting Wright and Gallo would be a great move for Portland's youngsters. Both are solid vets who would be great mentors to the team.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Maybe they view it that way or maybe not. If they thought Harden was a real star they would've locked him up long term. They don't view him that way and pushed for him to get on a cheaper expiring contract instead. I'd give that 6ers team you list much higher odds of winning in the playoffs than their current squad. Herro/Martin/Maxey are all in their 20's with upside that Harden doesn't have. They probably still need another addition but they would be one step away instead of currently being 2-3 moves away.

Boston/Milwaukee/Miami are all probably above the 6ers now as well as after a trade but its not a huge gap. Any of these teams could easily beat the other next season.
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The problem with Harden is not that he isn't a star, but that he's an old star. I don't think anyone wants to max him for 4-5 more years. He's about to turn 34 in about a week. He's already showing signs of slowing down. However, if they give him up for a weak return, I can't see Embiid wanting to stay there. I'm not as confident as you seem to be about how that starting lineup would fare.
 
Natebishop3 said:
The problem with Harden is not that he isn't a star, but that he's an old star. I don't think anyone wants to max him for 4-5 more years. He's about to turn 34 in about a week. He's already showing signs of slowing down. However, if they give him up for a weak return, I can't see Embiid wanting to stay there. I'm not as confident as you seem to be about how that starting lineup would fare.
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I'm not certain it would be better or that Philly would go for it. Just seems close enough with enough chances of being better that its a real possibility Philly might be interested in it. Does Morey think Herro could improve in their system and either be a better player there or later flipped for more value? Maybe he does or maybe he thinks Herro is way overrated and he'd have no interest. I just see it as a legit proposal that has benefits to all 4 teams. It makes sense for the Blazers to flip Herro and Martin to 3rd teams in a Dame trade and get as many picks as possible.
 
sheed30 said:
I'd do this deal every day and twice on Sunday. Why would Toronto do that?
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What are you smoking bro?
You want to trade a young 22 who has not even reached his prime for that garbage? Bad take my friend, that makes zero sense.[/QUOTE]
Now why would the Raps do that, because the salaries match up?
 
CJ_is_Gone said:
Getting Wright and Gallo would be a great move for Portland's youngsters. Both are solid vets who would be great mentors to the team.
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Is their "mentorship" also worth paying Robinson and Powell a combined $115M over the next 3 years? I really don't think so.
 
Blazers get 6 unprotected picks PLUS two unprotected swaps
Miami gets Dame and Nurk
Spurs get Simons for two picks
Nets dump Simmons for better contracts in Herro, a rookie in Jaquez, for two picks that aren't their own.
 
STOMP said:
Again, future picks are trade gold that can be used whenever. For instance, Jeremi Grant was acquired from Detroit for a 2025 Milwaukee Bucks 1st that Portland held. Days later, the Pistons then used that same pick to acquire Jalen Duren.
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Fair enough. But I think it’s unusual for a team to trade a quality player for a draft pick three years down the road. Most teams will want a return on their money sooner than that.
 
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