Miami Heat Dame Trade Ideas and Rumors (1 Viewer)

[SharpesTriumph]

Fair enough. But I think it’s unusual for a team to trade a quality player for a draft pick three years down the road. Most teams will want a return on their money sooner than that.

Its a benefit to have the picks many years out - not a cost.

Miami will be good next year. We don't want a pick from them soon. We want it way out in 2028 or 2030 when Pat Riley is in his mid 80's, Dame is 40, and that franchise has had multiple years of no young talent being added to the roster.

That pick can be traded in months, traded in years, or just help in order for the Blazers to add talent at a low cost if they can build a winner around Scoot and Sharpe with other tools. I wish we had got future assets like that back in a LaMarcus or Rasheed/etc trade. Even if it was 7 years out - that may have given us tools to build a winner around Dame. The franchise was shortsighted then. Lets hope they don't make the same mistake now with Scoot/Sharpe.

Saying you aren't interested in a draft pick 7 years from now is like saying you don't want Apple stock because it will not be liquidated for cash soon. You can trade it whenever you want, or just hold it for that time when a move makes sense. Having draft assets is always a good thing. Players eventually become free agents, leave, or stay and retire, or just decline and become overpaid/worthless. Draft picks will always have value, and if the Blazers get a lucky break with Miami future record or the lottery they could become a goldmine just as Boston got from the Nets in the Tatum/Brown duo.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Having multiple 3rd teams in a Dame to Miami trade is nothing but good. Having completely independent options like the Spurs, Nets, OKC, Philly, LAC, Toronto, etc gives the Blazers more leverage to extract a very fair price in a Dame trade.

 

[wizenheimer]

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What are you smoking bro?
You want to trade a young 22 who has not even reached his prime for that garbage? Bad take my friend, that makes zero sense.

you guys have kind of bollixed the quote function. Hard to tell who is saying what

anyway, Ant is not a "young 22". He's 24 and will be entering his 6th season in the NBA. There's no major untapped reserve of upside there. He is what he is and you know what you're getting. He will get better, but he won't get taller and he won't magically become a good defender. He will never be 3&D; never be a two-way wing

 

[wizenheimer]

I tend to believe that Portland has no intention of trading Dame to Miami

 

[CJ_is_Gone]

Is their "mentorship" also worth paying Robinson and Powell a combined $115M over the next 3 years? I really don't think so.

Hell no.
I completely agree there. The trade proposal was crap to begin with.

I just think both Gallo/Wright would be good targets to bring in. Maybe something more like this.

 

[BigGameDamian]

Why not Dame to Miami, Harden to Chicago and LeVine to PDX? Obviously more would have to go into the trade to make it work.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Why not Dame to Miami, Harden to Chicago and LeVine to PDX? Obviously more would have to go into the trade to make it work.

Because we don't want Lavine.

 

[Natebishop3]

Because we don't want more guards.

Fixed it for you.

 

[sheed30]

you guys have kind of bollixed the quote function. Hard to tell who is saying what

anyway, Ant is not a "young 22". He's 24 and will be entering his 6th season in the NBA. There's no major untapped reserve of upside there. He is what he is and you know what you're getting. He will get better, but he won't get taller and he won't magically become a good defender. He will never be 3&D; never be a two-way wing

Lol, just turned 24, and 22 to 24 is no different really.

you just contradicted yourself, you said he would get better, and then went on to list many things he “won’t” improve in like you hold a crystal ball in your hands.

Plus, not sure why you feel the need to completely miss the point. Regardless if you think those things, he is still worth more than that garbage Raptor deal that the poster said he would do in a heartbeat, and that was my point.

I said we haven’t seen his full potential, you said he will get better. So ya, kinda agreeing with me then contradicting yourself lol

 

[Whyachi]

Heres another idea - the Ant haters may loves this one;

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Ant and Wemby might be world champions in 2028 !

 

[wizenheimer]

Lol, just turned 24, and 22 to 24 is no different really.

you just contradicted yourself, you said he would get better, and then went on to list many things he “won’t” improve in like you hold a crystal ball in your hands.

Plus, not sure why you feel the need to completely miss the point. Regardless if you think those things, he is still worth more than that garbage Raptor deal that the poster said he would do in a heartbeat, and that was my point.

I said we haven’t seen his full potential, you said he will get better. So ya, kinda agreeing with me then contradicting yourself lol

Dame had his best season at 32, so yeah, players can get better. But it's incremental

more years in the league and incremental improvement won't change the issues Ant has.

* he's an undersized SG with few proven PG skills
* he is one of the worst defenders in the league
* he can't play as a wing because of his size
* he can't be 3&D and he won't ever be a two-way player

all of those factors significantly limit his value. His limited skill-set point to his best role being a 6th man; a scorer off the bench. But with the new CBA paying 26M/year for a bench player doesn't make sense

Ant is just CJ 2.0, IMO. CJ at 24 hadn't reached his full potential yet. But CJ at 24 demonstrated what kind of player he was going to be. He didn't change his game or style over the next few years. Ant is on the same track
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as far as that trade, yeah, it sucked

 

[RonBrewer]

I'd do this deal every day and twice on Sunday. Why would Toronto do that?

What are you smoking bro?
You want to trade a young 22 who has not even reached his prime for that garbage? Bad take my friend, that makes zero sense.[/QUOTE]

I'm not a huge Ant guy. I think he's a one trick pony. That's a nice haul for him IMO. It's not a bad take at all. I don't think Toronto would ever give that up for him

 

[SharpesTriumph]

I tend to believe that Portland has no intention of trading Dame to Miami

Why do you believe this?

I'd tend to think the Blazers want to get the most assets for Dame, if it's Miami then they're fine with it. They may insist on trading him East.

Their lack of moves to win with Dame lead me to believe they either have wanted to trade Dame for awhile or at the least are not worried about it

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Why not Dame to Miami, Harden to Chicago and LeVine to PDX? Obviously more would have to go into the trade to make it work.

Haven't thought of LaVine and Harden being in a trade before, interesting.

But it makes zero sense to have any of these 3 on the Blazers. Blazers need to rebuild if trading Dame, not acquire over 30 all stars.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Dame had his best season at 32, so yeah, players can get better. But it's incremental

more years in the league and incremental improvement won't change the issues Ant has.

* he's an undersized SG with few proven PG skills
* he is one of the worst defenders in the league
* he can't play as a wing because of his size
* he can't be 3&D and he won't ever be a two-way player

all of those factors significantly limit his value. His limited skill-set point to his best role being a 6th man; a scorer off the bench. But with the new CBA paying 26M/year for a bench player doesn't make sense

Ant is just CJ 2.0, IMO. CJ at 24 hadn't reached his full potential yet. But CJ at 24 demonstrated what kind of player he was going to be. He didn't change his game or style over the next few years. Ant is on the same track
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as far as that trade, yeah, it sucked

26 million for a 25ppg scorer in the new CBA where tons of players are signing for 250-300 million, with more increases in the way the next two years, is not overpaid.

 

[wizenheimer]

Why do you believe this?

because I've paid attention to what has transpired and reached a conclusion about what Portland in inclined or disinclined to do?

I don't believe Miami will make their best possible offer for Dame this off-season. In fact, I would not be surprised if Riley has demanded protections on one of those picks, probably 2030

 

[wizenheimer]

26 million for a 25ppg scorer in the new CBA where tons of players are signing for 250-300 million, with more increases in the way the next two years, is not overpaid.

it's like CJ deja vu around here. Next, tell me Ant would be an all-star if he had his own team

 

[Natebishop3]

because I've paid attention to what has transpired and reached a conclusion about what Portland in inclined or disinclined to do?

I don't believe Miami will make their best possible offer for Dame this off-season. In fact, I would not be surprised if Riley has demanded protections on one of those picks, probably 2030

Yeah, I have a feeling that if Miami had offered their absolute best offer, it would probably be done. I think Riley knows that we have zero other offers and he's trying to squeeze us. So Joe's only recourse is to let the season start and let Miami suffer with a bad roster.

 

[Natebishop3]

it's like CJ deja vu around here. Next, tell me Ant would be an all-star if he had his own team

This fanbase has a problem man. We're addicted to tiny backcourts. Is there a rehab for this?

 

[wizenheimer]

Yeah, I have a feeling that if Miami had offered their absolute best offer, it would probably be done. I think Riley knows that we have zero other offers and he's trying to squeeze us. So Joe's only recourse is to let the season start and let Miami suffer with a bad roster.

I think there also might be some actual resentment in the Portland front office about the tactics of Dame's agent; and a belief that Pat Riley has his fingerprints on those tactics. It might actually be a case of 'anywhere but Miami; never there'

 

[Ripcity4life77]

I am with Dame's agent cause this front office put them in this situation so screw this front office and screw Jody / Vulcan cause if they would have handled this situation better from the start this would not be so much of a mess.

This is the truth and some of you cannot handle this truth and at this point I just do not care if you do or not in the end I believe this will be proven to be right and I would bet everything on this. Now I will concede that I am sure there is other things we do not know but the heart of this is -- Blazers told Dame one thing and did another and then lied more to get him to comply and now we are here -- so screw this front office / ownership group and the fans who have turned on Dame --- I have 2 fingers for ya and will leave it at that.

 

[HailBlazers]

Dame is so screwed, I feel sorry for him. Poor guy.

 

[wizenheimer]

This fanbase has a problem man. We're addicted to tiny backcourts. Is there a rehab for this?

yeah, about 30 games of somebody like Clyde at SG

 

[Idog1976]

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FRP's and we get out of Nurk's contract? Sign me up. The only part I don't like is Miami getting Dame, they don't deserve him, although he might deserve them.

 

[HailBlazers]

yeah, about 30 games of somebody like Clyde at SG

Always been a big fan of Klay's game

 

[blazerfan11]

I am with Dame's agent cause this front office put them in this situation so screw this front office and screw Jody / Vulcan cause if they would have handled this situation better from the start this would not be so much of a mess.

This is the truth and some of you cannot handle this truth and at this point I just do not care if you do or not in the end I believe this will be proven to be right and I would bet everything on this. Now I will concede that I am sure there is other things we do not know but the heart of this is -- Blazers told Dame one thing and did another and then lied more to get him to comply and now we are here -- so screw this front office / ownership group and the fans who have turned on Dame --- I have 2 fingers for ya and will leave it at that.

What is the situation that the Trail Blazers are in?
They drafted Shaedon Sharpe in 2022 and Scoot Henderson in 2023. Those two look like they could be very good. On rookie contracts. Ready to contribute now.
Who knows what will become of Kris Murray, Rayan Rupert or Jabari Walker, but they also come at a reduced cost.

I would like you to spell out a realistic and possible trade that Cronin could have made to appease Damian Lillard.
After you do that, people can make up their own minds which situation would be better.

 

[Pinwheel1]

all of those factors significantly limit his value. His limited skill-set point to his best role being a 6th man; a scorer off the bench. But with the new CBA paying 26M/year for a bench player doesn't make sense

Until the starters (Scoot -Sharpe) sign a new contract I see no reason why a 6th man can't make 26/year.

Also, If you pair Ant with a defensive-minded Pt forward (yes I am suggesting Ben one more time) then you could actually start him for 2 years next to Sharpe, Grant, Ben, and ___x___(a good defensive center)

 

[blazerfan11]

Until the starters (Scoot -Sharpe) sign a new contract I see no reason why a 6th man can't make 26/year.

Also, If you pair Ant with a defensive-minded Pt forward (yes I am suggesting Ben one more time) then you could actually start him for 2 years next to Sharpe, Grant, Ben, and ___x___(a good defensive center)

Perhaps there are some people stuck in the mindset that every player should be paid by their contribution or value. Or that playing time should be decided by salary. Or that a player should be traded no matter if it improves the team or not if playing time and salary don't match, even if some of his teammates are being underpaid.

 

[RonBrewer]

I am with Dame's agent cause this front office put them in this situation so screw this front office and screw Jody / Vulcan cause if they would have handled this situation better from the start this would not be so much of a mess.

This is the truth and some of you cannot handle this truth and at this point I just do not care if you do or not in the end I believe this will be proven to be right and I would bet everything on this. Now I will concede that I am sure there is other things we do not know but the heart of this is -- Blazers told Dame one thing and did another and then lied more to get him to comply and now we are here -- so screw this front office / ownership group and the fans who have turned on Dame --- I have 2 fingers for ya and will leave it at that.

So basically, screw the Blazers. Got it.

 

[kjironman1]

Dame is so screwed, I feel sorry for him. Poor guy.

Wow? I'd sure like to be that screwed.