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kjironman1 said:
Mags really look. Tell me you can see where the manipulation is Please. These numbers are so simplistic and biased it is exactly what i say. Laughable. Took me about 2 minutes to totally rip them apart. Next thing he will do is blame Obama for skyrocketing healthcare costs.
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But you can look at my links and they are supported by documentation and data.
 
Denny Crane said:
My graphics are from the UN and government sites.

I guess you can't trust those sources.

LOL

If we spent the $12,000 on education instead of spending only $6000 of it on education, we could afford sports and books and the like.

"Education" includes electric bills and paying the rent. I'm sure you know that by far the biggest expense in education is paying the teachers.

The only way to justify the massive spending and poor results is to make some "too simplistic" and "biased" argument? That's a laugher, too.

The problem with education is teachers are in the way of progress. The unions block any attempts to bring the system out of the 1960s and into the next century. I've seen it going on for decades, and it's not gotten better.
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Denny instead of pulling a UN graph. Why don't you do some real research. Talk to a teacher. What makes you think for even a second that a normal student in Indo-China will even get a chance to learn to read? Get real! those numbers are so wrong it's nuts. The average kid in china is working in a sweat shop. Open your eyes man please!
 
And then you guys want to try to tell me that the Firemen and Cops are part of the problem also? You think we should stop supporting our Military? Your all over the board here Denny.
 
LOL

Maybe they can invent "new math" that makes the results look less awful than they are in actuality.

No talking to teachers is going to change the costs or the results or how the economics SHOULD provide a great education.

Here's a true story.

I sent my kid to a Catholic high school. It cost 1/2 what they spent at the time (per student) in public education, and 9 out of 10 of the kids went to college.

It really sucked I had no other choice. The public school system would have meant no college.
 
kjironman1 said:
And then you guys want to try to tell me that the Firemen and Cops are part of the problem also? You think we should stop supporting our Military? Your all over the board here Denny.
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The firemen and cops bankrupted Detroit. The cops dress like soldiers.

But nah, they're not part of any problem.
 
I have been all over the world. I have been to China, Korea, France, England, Germany, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Mexico, Panama, Phillipines and a number more. They don't compare.
 
Have you been to Detroit?
 
Denny Crane said:
LOL

Maybe they can invent "new math" that makes the results look less awful than they are in actuality.

No talking to teachers is going to change the costs or the results or how the economics SHOULD provide a great education.

Here's a true story.

I sent my kid to a Catholic high school. It cost 1/2 what they spent at the time (per student) in public education, and 9 out of 10 of the kids went to college.

It really sucked I had no other choice. The public school system would have meant no college.
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I am pro "tax credit" for families that home or private school their children. If the State is getting the average 11k per student per year, that would be one helluva tax break for parents like yourself that send their kids to private schools.
 
The sorry thing is we had to stomach the religious indoctrination classes to get a decent education.
 
Ironically, for the ~$4500 in tuition, that school graduated virtually all the kids, had a music and arts program, and had one of the top football teams in the state.
 
Denny Crane said:
The firemen and cops bankrupted Detroit. The cops dress like soldiers.

But nah, they're not part of any problem.
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You think the Cops and Firemen bankrupt Detroit? Maybe it was the greedy corporate idiots putting their money overseas? What kind of car do you drive Denny? Acura? Honda? Toyota? Nissan? 10-1 it ain't made here. Personally i have a Ford Ranger and a Dodge Journey. Sure the Cops destroyed Detroit.
 
Denny Crane said:
Ironically, for the ~$4500 in tuition, that school graduated virtually all the kids, had a music and arts program, and had one of the top football teams in the state.
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Yep... I sent my daughter to Beasant Hill School. Probably the best investment I made on my children's future. The tuition is a little high (37k) but they learned how to farm, act, art, live and fed them natural foods they grew on their own.
 
kjironman1 said:
You think the Cops and Firemen bankrupt Detroit? Maybe it was the greedy corporate idiots putting their money overseas? What kind of car do you drive Denny? Acura? Honda? Toyota? Nissan? 10-1 it ain't made here. Personally i have a Ford Ranger and a Dodge Journey. Sure the Cops destroyed Detroit.
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I'm quite sure it was the cops and firemen that bankrupted Detroit. Specifically it was the cost of their public union negotiated sweetheart pension deals.

The corporations had nothing to do with how mismanaged things were there.

But you might want to survey the children there and see how shockingly few can read.
 
Wow! i only make 70K a year so i guess i am simply middle class and we all know where you stand if you can afford 37K a year to put your kid through school.
 
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kjironman1 said:
Wow! i only make 70K a year so i guess i am simply middle class and we all know where you stand if you can afford 37K a year to put your kid through school.
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Yes, I am pretty blessed financially. I make around 260k per year. But I also pay $5,350 per month in child support.
 
kjironman1 said:
Again the CNS news report...The RIGHT news RIGHT now. I love it.
Great stuff there. I am sure it is full of Doom and Gloom!
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You can't wish it away.

The facts are the facts.
 
Denny Crane said:
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This is an Urban district snapshot report. You do know the difference right? Also you are continually trying to change the point that you made from the very beginning. You simply cannot try to hide behind graphs about Detroit's woeful urban education progress report and say that the Military and Teachers and Cop and Firemen are ruining this country. Sorry. No one is buying that anywhere at any time.
 
Denny Crane said:
You can't wish it away.

The facts are the facts.
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I don't have to Wish it Away. It's completely biased and has no worth whatsoever. It is not a real look it is a hand picked piece of information. I could create one that would dispute it easily but simply moving a few boundary lines.
 
kjironman1 said:
I don't have to Wish it Away. It's completely biased and has no worth whatsoever. It is not a real look it is a hand picked piece of information. I could create one that would dispute it easily but simply moving a few boundary lines.
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Are you a Democrat? Just curious...
 
magnifier661 said:
So are you independent then?
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Draw your own conclusion. But i am as conservative as most any you will find on most every reasonable issue. Do not try to label me as any particular side Left or Right. If they are correct i will agree. If they are wrong i will say so. In this case Denny tried to couple way too many groups as bad for this country. Simply because they have union representation.
 
kjironman1 said:
Draw your own conclusion. But i am as conservative as most any you will find on most every reasonable issue. Do not try to label me as any particular side Left or Right. If they are correct i will agree. If they are wrong i will say so. In this case Denny tried to couple way too many groups as bad for this country. Simply because they have union representation.
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Well, with your statements, it seems you lean more towards the Democrats, so your statement about being conservative seems strange. I could get behind being independent. I think that's a good place to be.
 
magnifier661 said:
Well, with your statements, it seems you lean more towards the Democrats, so your statement about being conservative seems strange. I could get behind being independent. I think that's a good place to be.
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What we all need is independent thought. It's a process that builds intelligence throughout our community. Anybody can copy and paste a link to a government graph or news story. Read the story through and really understand what is happening. I went to war for these fools. I know what i watched. I know what is happening in the hoods that i live in. We all do but for some reason we refuse to do anything about it. We see but don't perceive. We listen but we don't hear. There is just way more to education and the costs involved. We are trying to educate people a the greatest level on earth. We are trying to do it for a higher percentage than anywhere else also. Other countries are educating less than 1% of their kids. So when we look at 60-70% of our kids being able to read we think wow that seems low but in fact it is way above the rest of the world. There are only a handful of nations that are in the same ballpark. Yes some are way better. But those countries are very small. The numbers don't lie but they are skewed by the fact that they don't test the ones that never get a chance.
I have seen it first hand. They do not test kids that are sold into slave labor or put into the sex trades. They don't test kids that are classified as "Soldiers" simply raised to carry a gun. They don't test the kids that die of starvation or simply sit on a corner and beg for food all day. This country has the best Colleges in the world. We have more college graduates than anywhere also. You can make the numbers look bad when you start pulling stats and graphs. Mags we do this with Basketball players also. You can make a case for or against just about any player in the NBA but the fact still remains they are part of 400 of the greatest players on earth. They don't "SUCK" just because they have a lower % at the Free throw line or shoot mid range jumpers.
Our Teachers do an awesome job. They deserve to be recognized.
Our Police forces do the best they can but of course the very nature of their job gets messy. Most are of the highest integrity.
I just don't know how anyone anywhere could question our Fire services and EMT personnel?
Our Military is the strongest in the world and should be congratulated for being such.
 
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