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[Phatguysrule]

Not sure if this is where I should post this but…… as Israel’s priminister/president/? Whoever he was, got up to speak at the UN……a ton of delegates all walked out. WOW!

Wow. That's awesome.

 

[2Fluffy4U]

Wow. That's awesome.

You know what is awesome? That the Israeli hostages are expected to be freed in the next 72 hours, which is an awesome step towards the end of the war. Thats awesome. That is meaningful.

 

[Phatguysrule]

You know what is awesome? That the Israeli hostages are expected to be freed in the next 72 hours, which is an awesome step towards the end of the war. Thats awesome. That is meaningful.

There are 48 hostages. Netanyahu has killed around 20k kids in their name.

416.7 kids per hostage.

When I get taken hostage and the price to get me back is the life of a single kid you can just tell them to kill me, thank you very much.

Every world leader (in fact, everyone) should continue treating that piece of shit exactly like these delegates did.

 

[2Fluffy4U]

There are 48 hostages. Netanyahu has killed around 20k kids in their name.

416.7 kids per hostage.

When I get taken hostage and the price to get me back is the life of a single kid you can just tell them to kill me, thank you very much.

Every world leader (in fact, everyone) should continue treating that piece of shit exactly like these delegates did.

It is okay to blame him, I wont fight you on it.
But is just as okay to blame Hamas and the Palestinian people for their hatred education and zealotness against Israel.

Choose whichever perspective you like..

I am sorry.. truly sorry to say this - but you not know what you speak of when you look at things via numbers of casuallties..

I wasnt planning on it - but, if you want to discuss this conflict - watch this video and think hard before clicking the added links.
It is mentally damaging. But it is reality. Not propaganda - not journalism. GO PRO reality of the matter.
Once and if ( and I will not be accountable for any health or mentall issues which may arise following viewing) you watch it - come back to me and talk about numbers of casuallties.

 

[Phatguysrule]

It is okay to blame him, I wont fight you on it.
But is just as okay to blame Hamas and the Palestinian people for their hatred education and zealotness against Israel.

Choose whichever perspective you like..

I don't blame kids. Netanyahu specifically ordered the torture and murder of kids.

Blaming the people of Palestine would be like suggesting the US should torture and murder the people of Israel for Netanyahu's actions.

That's just not logical.

 

[2Fluffy4U]

I don't blame kids. Netanyahu specifically ordered the torture and murder of kids.

Blaming the people of Palestine would be like suggesting the US should torture and murder the people of Israel for Netanyahu's actions.

That's just not logical.

Can you please provide source of that claim?
The there was an order to torture and murder kids?

 

[Phatguysrule]

Can you please provide source of that claim?
The there was an order to torture and murder kids?

Lol. You don't think kids are going to be impacted when you deny food to entire populations? When you bomb population centers?

Over a fucking terrorist action.

Maybe we should go bomb Utah for getting Charlie Kirk killed? Shit, they support gun rights.

Maybe cut them off to all food and water for a few years... That's reasonable...

 

[2Fluffy4U]

Lol. You don't think kids are going to be impacted when you deny food to entire populations? When you bomb population centers?

Over a fucking terrorist action.

Maybe we should go bomb Utah for getting Charlie Kirk killed? Shit, they support gun rights.

Maybe cut them off to all food and water for a few years... That's reasonable...

So thats a no then. You dont have a source.
You have what your media is feeding you.
Please review my previous post and consider seriously if watching the provided video or not. Let me know of you are willing to watch it and we can discuss further then..
I have source material..you have Al Jazeera propagnada narratives.

 

[2Fluffy4U]

With regads to 'famine' in Gaza - I welcome you to scan X media and find videos of Gaza people cheering and happy as the war perhaps ending - you will find plenty.
What you will not see in these videos - is emaciated population. Just normal looking blokes being happy.
Show me one social media post that shows people under famine and emaciated and celebrating the current deal in Gaza.

 

[Phatguysrule]

So thats a no then. You dont have a source.
You have what your media is feeding you.
Please review my previous post and consider seriously if watching the provided video or not. Let me know of you are willing to watch it and we can discuss further then..
I have source material..you have Al Jazeera propagnada narratives.

With regads to 'famine' in Gaza - I welcome you to scan X media and find videos of Gaza people cheering and happy as the war perhaps ending - you will find plenty.
What you will not see in these videos - is emaciated population. Just normal looking blokes being happy.
Show me one social media post that shows people under famine and emaciated and celebrating the current deal in Gaza.

So 20,000 kids didn't die from the Israeli attacks? That's your claim? Is that what you're going with?

And your reasoning here is that Gazans are happy they are no longer going to be bombed?

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/gaza-israel-hamas-war-children-deaths-orphans-trauma/

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

With regads to 'famine' in Gaza - I welcome you to scan X media and find videos of Gaza people cheering and happy as the war perhaps ending - you will find plenty.
What you will not see in these videos - is emaciated population. Just normal looking blokes being happy.
Show me one social media post that shows people under famine and emaciated and celebrating the current deal in Gaza.

Wait. So you call one source propaganda then knowingly endorse scanning X, where propaganda and bots run wild.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Wait. So you call one source propaganda then knowingly endorse scanning X, where propaganda and bots run wild.

It's not propaganda if it supports your opinion.

 

[2Fluffy4U]

Wait. So you call one source propaganda then knowingly endorse scanning X, where propaganda and bots run wild.

Run whatever format that allows you to view direct videos from Gaza people.. no X then..

Here, I googled and came up with this youtube video I have no idea of which background - but it shows the people of gaza.. seems like women and men with normal nutritional intake.

Remember this post in two days - and see if/when the hostages are released if they had reasonable calorie intake...

 

[2Fluffy4U]

So 20,000 kids didn't die from the Israeli attacks? That's your claim? Is that what you're going with?

And your reasoning here is that Gazans are happy they are no longer going to be bombed?

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/gaza-israel-hamas-war-children-deaths-orphans-trauma/

You said Netanyahu ordered to specifically kill and torture kids.
Saying 20k kids died in the war is not the same.
If you ask me - I would argue: A. The Data is not verified and not reliable. (Reported by Hamas, so it is the same as asking you to rely on IDF info).
B. There are in fact Hamas terrosits that are teens. So they account as both kids and terrosits and IMO deemed as acceptable war targets.
As I said - numbers are irrelevant IMO.
If you cared about numbers you should have cared more about famine in Yemen and Sudan or Syria civil war casualties.
The reason you care so much about this conflict is beacuse it was easy to feed the west of the oppression/oppressed narrative and evoke emotions..

 

[Phatguysrule]

You said Netanyahu ordered to specifically kill and torture kids.
Saying 20k kids died in the war is not the same.
If you ask me - I would argue: A. The Data is not verified and not reliable. (Reported by Hamas, so it is the same as asking you to rely on IDF info).
B. There are in fact Hamas terrosits that are teens. So they account as both kids and terrosits and IMO deemed as acceptable war targets.
As I said - numbers are irrelevant IMO.
If you cared about numbers you should have cared more about famine in Yemen and Sudan or Syria civil war casualties.
The reason you care so much about this conflict is beacuse it was easy to feed the west of the oppression/oppressed narrative and evoke emotions..

I said he made the specific orders. Those orders resulted in many kids dying. Far more than 48 kids. Far more than hundreds of kids.

When did I say I didn't care about famine in Yemin or Sudan (or anywhere)? Or the civil war casualties in Syria?

I actually care deeply about these things and that's why I support the policies that I do.

The Syrian civil war was caused by drought destroying the livelihoods of its many farmers. Climate change has had a huge negative impact on most famines we see today.

That's why you see me hating on Trump and many Republicans and Democrats who have supported and enabled these policies which have prevented us from making more progress.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

 

[2Fluffy4U]

I said he made the specific orders. Those orders resulted in many kids dying. Far more than 48 kids. Far more than hundreds of kids.

When did I say I didn't care about famine in Yemin or Sudan (or anywhere)? Or the civil war casualties in Syria?

I actually care deeply about these things and that's why I support the policies that I do.

The Syrian civil war was caused by drought destroying the livelihoods of its many farmers. Climate change has had a huge negative impact on most famines we see today.

That's why you see me hating on Trump and many Republicans and Democrats who have supported and enabled these policies which have prevented us from making more progress.

"Netanyahu specifically ordered the torture and murder of kids" (which is quoting you).

Is different from saying "I said he made the specific orders. Those orders resulted in many kids dying. Far more than 48 kids. Far more than hundreds of kids."

In the original post you portray him as a sadistic leader calling to kill and torture kids. In the next you say his orders resulted in kids dying.
I hope you understand the difference and why it is important - because chanting Bibi is a children killer and tuturer specificaly ordering to kill children is different from saying his war descisions led to far too many casuallties IMO.

Btw - I edited my original previous post and added a youtube video regarding the 7th of Oct attack..
I wonder if you had a chance to think of wathching it or not.. let me know.. (as noted - I do not recommend watching it, but I do believe it is essential for debating this issue while holding the reality and severity of it).

 

[barfo]

Hitler's war decisions led to the death of some Jewish people, I guess.

barfo

 

[riverman]

Trump has ordered 200 troops to Gaza....he's ordered way more into several Blue state cities..2 or 3 times as many into Portland alone.

 

[2Fluffy4U]

Hitler's war decisions led to the death of some Jewish people, I guess.

barfo

Hitler commited genocide of the Jews. Jew Population decreased by 6 millions.
Israel is at war with entities that seek it's destruction.
At the end of the war - The Palestinian population will be greater in numbers than it was on Oct. 7th.
As I have said before - and people keep forgetting:
Hamas decisions led to Palestinians people dying.
There is no excuse for Oct 7th.
There is no excuse for holding the hostages while crying 'Genocide'.
Hamas is accountable for their people. Hamas could have stopped the war on Oct 10th.
I am against numbers debating..
Hitler was a genocidal Nazi..
Bibi is a prime minister of a democratic country who holds western values..(albeit complicated)
If you cant tell the difference there isn't much left for me to do..

But if you want to play number games - sure.. go ahead and compare intentional genocide of 6 million jews vs war torn area with reported 60k casuallties..
In WWII europe had approx.. 9.5 Million Jews population, meaning around 63% of the Jews were killed (6 million) in 6 years time - Genocide indeed.
In Gaza there are approx. 2.2 million people, meaning around 3% were killed (60k) in 2 years time. Yes - this is truly evident that Israel is intending to ethnic cleanse the Palestinians and is commiting the slowest genocide in documented history.

 

[Phatguysrule]

"Netanyahu specifically ordered the torture and murder of kids" (which is quoting you).

Is different from saying "I said he made the specific orders. Those orders resulted in many kids dying. Far more than 48 kids. Far more than hundreds of kids."

In the original post you portray him as a sadistic leader calling to kill and torture kids. In the next you say his orders resulted in kids dying.
I hope you understand the difference and why it is important - because chanting Bibi is a children killer and tuturer specificaly ordering to kill children is different from saying his war descisions led to far too many casuallties IMO.

Btw - I edited my original previous post and added a youtube video regarding the 7th of Oct attack..
I wonder if you had a chance to think of wathching it or not.. let me know.. (as noted - I do not recommend watching it, but I do believe it is essential for debating this issue while holding the reality and severity of it).

Let me be 100% clear. Benjamin Netanyahu is absolutely 100% a sadistic killer and torturer of children.

When he gave those orders he knew 100% that children would be tortured and murdered based on his order. He knew with 100% certainty that it was not necessary, except for him to keep his position (which he has only held on to by corrupt means).

Absolutely, 100%, Benjamin Netanyahu is absolutely a sadistic piece of shit who ordered the murder and torture of children. Every bit as bad as Hitler or Stalin (even if he's been less successful than Hitler thus far).

I hope that he spends the rest of his life in jail, and I hope that jail sentence starts as soon as is humanly possible.

Is that clear enough?

 

[Phatguysrule]

Hitler commited genocide of the Jews. Jew Population decreased by 6 millions.
Israel is at war with entities that seek it's destruction.
At the end of the war - The Palestinian population will be greater in numbers than it was on Oct. 7th.
As I have said before - and people keep forgetting:
Hamas decisions led to Palestinians people dying.
There is no excuse for Oct 7th.
There is no excuse for holding the hostages while crying 'Genocide'.
Hamas is accountable for their people. Hamas could have stopped the war on Oct 10th.
I am against numbers debating..
Hitler was a genocidal Nazi..
Bibi is a prime minister of a democratic country who holds western values..(albeit complicated)
If you cant tell the difference there isn't much left for me to do..

But if you want to play number games - sure.. go ahead and compare intentional genocide of 6 million jews vs war torn area with reported 60k casuallties..
In WWII europe had approx.. 9.5 Million Jews population, meaning around 63% of the Jews were killed (6 million) in 6 years time - Genocide indeed.
In Gaza there are approx. 2.2 million people, meaning around 3% were killed (60k) in 2 years time. Yes - this is truly evident that Israel is intending to ethnic cleanse the Palestinians and is commiting the slowest genocide in documented history.

The fact that Netanyahu has been prevented from authoritarian power in a way that Hitler was not is no credit to Netanyahu. That is a credit to the strength of Democracy.

Netanyahu was a corrupt war criminal long before October 7th, 2023. Since then he is only proven without a doubt that he deserves punishment to the fullest extent of the law.

 

[2Fluffy4U]

Show me evidence of kids being tortured due to Bibi decision.

You do realise that calling of 'famine' or 'genocide' and blaming Bibi for it is problematic.
By doing so you choose to ignore the culprit - Hamas.

It is like someone is intruding your house at night, rapes and kills your wife, kills you kids, runs away afterwards - and nothing happens. He can go on with his life.
You turn to the police and they tell you - we know who it is - he just wanted the release some steam. Nothing we can help you with sir.

Hamas is using the west views and their own population to evoke this 'oppressed' narrative.. turtured narrative..
You dont want to be under attack? Release the hostages and lay your arms..
You want to keep fighting? Dont come back crying 'Im being opressed here.. '

 

[riverman]

For what it's worth I'm relieved that the war is declared over and the hostages are returned. Hopefully history doesn't have to repeat itself. Blood feuds are never formulas for peace. Need a two state solution, not another occupation.

 

[crandc]

I am glad hostages being freed. I wonder if more would be alive had Netanyahu inflicted collective punishment on Gaza. I will be glad if/when bombing stops.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Show me evidence of kids being tortured due to Bibi decision.

You do realise that calling of 'famine' or 'genocide' and blaming Bibi for it is problematic.
By doing so you choose to ignore the culprit - Hamas.

I didn't blame any famine on Benjamin Netanyahu.

I don't care if every individual who committed terrorist atrocities for Hamas dies. They deserve the exact same punishment that Benjamin Netanyahu does. They are the same.

It is like someone is intruding your house at night, rapes and kills your wife, kills you kids, runs away afterwards - and nothing happens. He can go on with his life.
You turn to the police and they tell you - we know who it is - he just wanted the release some steam. Nothing we can help you with sir.

Except in this scenario that's not what happened. In this scenario Israel went and tortured and killed other neighbors who had no control over those actions.

If I did that in your scenario that would make me a bad guy and every bit as culpable as the people who broke in to my house and killed my family.

You don't just get to lash out at innocence because somebody hurt you.

Hamas is using the west views and their own population to evoke this 'oppressed' narrative.. turtured narrative..
You dont want to be under attack? Release the hostages and lay your arms..
You want to keep fighting? Dont come back crying 'Im being opressed here.. '

The vast majority of the people who were killed in the Gaza attacks had nothing to do with that, and had no control over the hostages.

 

[2Fluffy4U]

I didn't blame any famine on Benjamin Netanyahu.

I don't care if every individual who committed terrorist atrocities for Hamas dies. They deserve the exact same punishment that Benjamin Netanyahu does. They are the same.



Except in this scenario that's not what happened. In this scenario Israel went and tortured and killed other neighbors who had no control over those actions.

If I did that in your scenario that would make me a bad guy and every bit as culpable as the people who broke in to my house and killed my family.

You don't just get to lash out at innocence because somebody hurt you.



The vast majority of the people who were killed in the Gaza attacks had nothing to do with that, and had no control over the hostages.

But that is where this argument looses it grasp.

Lets say Hamas had/has control over the hostages (which they do).
And lets say Palestinians civs in Gaza had nothing to do with that.
Acording to your logic there is no pressure / no action that can be done to fight Hamas.
Beacause once civillians are being hurt you lose legitimacy fighting - is that correct?
I, on the other hand - see the Palestinians civilians just as responsible as Hamas.
It is called a civil war once you disagree with your leaders.
Israel is close to that (Bibi and his Judicinal revolution plans), USA is close to that (Trump and troops to Portland)..
But in Gaza? Hamas hides in tunnels and all Gazans do is cry.
How about denoucing violence? How about calling for peace and calling out you dont want to destroy Israel?
How many Gazans want 'from the river to the sea? I reckon most. What does this chant mean? That they want me dead.
I really am pro Palestinians having Gaza and turning it to Dubai resort, but the sad truth and fact of the matter is - they are being educated as a society that Israel is the cause for all their problems, that jews are bad and all israel should and will be destroyed inshalla..
Sorry but IMO you leave me no choice, either you fix your own society by stopping this violent hatefull religious rhetoric, or I take your firearms by force so I can be safe.
I on the other hand - will fight and educate against the views of Israeli smotriches and ben gvirs that are now surging due to the devisive nature of the conflict.. (they are minority 10% of israeli poluation agree with their views)..

 

[Phatguysrule]

But that is where this argument looses it grasp.

Lets say Hamas had/has control over the hostages (which they do).
And lets say Palestinians civs in Gaza had nothing to do with that.
Acording to your logic there is no pressure / no action that can be done to fight Hamas.
Beacause once civillians are being hurt you lose legitimacy fighting - is that correct?
I, on the other hand - see the Palestinians civilians just as responsible as Hamas.
It is called a civil war once you disagree with your leaders.
Israel is close to that (Bibi and his Judicinal revolution plans), USA is close to that (Trump and troops to Portland)..
But in Gaza? Hamas hides in tunnels and all Gazans do is cry.
How about denoucing violence? How about calling for peace and calling out you dont want to destroy Israel?
How many Gazans want 'from the river to the sea? I reckon most. What does this chant mean? That they want me dead.
I really am pro Palestinians having Gaza and turning it to Dubai resort, but the sad truth and fact of the matter is - they are being educated as a society that Israel is the cause for all their problems, that jews are bad and all israel should and will be destroyed inshalla..
Sorry but IMO you leave me no choice, either you fix your own society by stopping this violent hatefull religious rhetoric, or I take your firearms by force so I can be safe.
I on the other hand - will fight and educate against the views of Israeli smotriches and ben gvirs that are now surging due to the devisive nature of the conflict.. (they are minority 10% of israeli poluation agree with their views)..

No. None of that gives legitimacy to the response that has been given. Killing 3% of the population is not acceptable or necessary for a crime committed by a few thousand extremists.

Israel could have offered a better alternative than Hamas. But Netanyahu didn't want to. He supported Hamas for just this reason. He propped them up so they could be as scary as possible to Israel so he could retain power.

He helped educate people to hate Israel.

He is an evil piece of shit. Every bit aa bad as Hamas. So are Trump and Putin.

 

[BigGameDamian]

 

[BigGameDamian]