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SlyPokerDog said:
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"are facing what aid groups say is impending famine."

Reporting of future potential events is not facts/journalism. Its op ed.
Also - the underlying fact of the statement is - no famine. 'impending famine' is not actual famine.
Narrative. Story. Emotions.
Lets keep going.

I also wonder how come this is a 'gift' article..
Thank you for gifting us all with this biased op ed.
 
2Fluffy4U said:
The newspapper addmited of publishing a story not true. And yet you deny it as being fake news. I sure never in my wildest dreams nightmare thought I would be arguing with such clear evidence and still had to prove the point again and again.

That one boy was an entire article in NY times..
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That's not true at all. One of the people they featured, an 18-month-old, is still fucking starving. He also has a medical condition, but he's still fucking starving.

Mohammed, according to his doctor, had pre-existing health problems affecting his brain and his muscle development. But his health deteriorated rapidly in recent months as it became increasingly difficult to find food and medical care, and the medical clinic that treated him said he suffers from severe malnutrition.

“I look at him and I can’t help but cry,” she said.

“We go to bed hungry and wake up thinking only about how to find food,” she added. “I can’t find milk or diapers.”

Mohammed was diagnosed with severe malnutrition by the Friends of the Patient clinic and Al-Rantisi children’s hospital, she said, but there was little they could do. On a recent visit to the clinic, she said, “they told me, ‘His treatment is food and water.’”​



The newspaper didn't admit the story was not true. Did you read the correction? The clinic where he was treated at provided additional information about him. It doesn't mean he's still not fucking starving.

Also, that article was just not about that "one boy."

There is a free link for you to read it. Not behind a paywall.

 
2Fluffy4U said:
"are facing what aid groups say is impending famine."

Reporting of future potential events is not facts/journalism. Its op ed.
Also - the underlying fact of the statement is - no famine. 'impending famine' is not actual famine.
Narrative. Story. Emotions.
Lets keep going.

I also wonder how come this is a 'gift' article..
Thank you for gifting us all with this biased op ed.
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Bullshit.

Read it.
 
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More fake news, those are obviously midgets hording bowls of liquid gold.
 
I'll trust the World Health Organization and Associated Press and BBC to give me a clear picture of the Gaza tragedy. I don't believe it's a media conspiracy theory by any stretch of the imagination..two state solution! Stop killing innocent people now. Not a second later. More hate is not going to solve that war. Britain is ready to recognize a Palestinian State and we should as well. So should Israel.
 
2Fluffy4U said:
And Hamas is taking the high road..
As I have said numerous times here - the minute Hamas releases all hostages and bodies left in captivity - the war will end.
Why? Because only then no one will back Israel and reckon the fight should go on.

The world could have campaigned for the release of the hostages as step 1 unconditionally.
But for multiple reasons (geopoliticial reason) that is not the case.
The fact is there are people on both sides who wish for this conflict to continue..
In Israel - ben gvir and smotrich (mesiah ideologies) and Bibi (politicial and ideology).
In Palestinian party (Hamas - ideology, Qatar - middle east intrest, Iran - Ideology and intrests).
Most of the people - civilians on both sides want the conflict to end and for quiet and peace.
But as long as the world cant decide and promote a winner - the conflict will remain and keep growing.
Either Israel loses - and will eventually all jews/israelis will have to leave the area (free palestine from the river to the sea), or the Palestinians loses - and will have to learn to live with the fact they cant rule over Israel land, and learn to live side by side with it.
Take your pick and commit to it.
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As soon as these assholes do what you want you'll stop torturing and terrorizing these innocent civilians?

Wow.
 
riverman said:
I'll trust the World Health Organization and Associated Press and BBC to give me a clear picture of the Gaza tragedy. I don't believe it's a media conspiracy theory by any stretch of the imagination..two state solution! Stop killing innocent people now. Not a second later. More hate is not going to solve that war. Britain is ready to recognize a Palestinian State and we should as well. So should Israel.
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Yes. All of this.
 
Who knew Hamas was so powerful? They have fooled every reputable media outlet, medical groups, relief organizations, human rights groups, independent investigators into believing there are people starving in Gaza and situation getting worse. When everyone not stupid dupes knows Gaza is healthy!

Next thing you know Hamas will say Earth is round and stupid dupes like us will believe it!

There have been so many horrible incidents of Trump Gestapo rounding up Green Card holders, parents of citizen children, sick children, people who lived here legally. There was also an unverified and possibly incorrect story about torture survivor deported. If that story is untrue it doesn't mean all the other horrors didn't happen.

But I am one of those stupid dupe self hating Jews who is outraged safety of Jews is being used as excuse for genocide.
 
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2Fluffy4U said:
"are facing what aid groups say is impending famine."

Reporting of future potential events is not facts/journalism. Its op ed.
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Similarly, news outlets reported about a potential tsunami around the Pacific last night.
According to you, since it hadn't happened yet, and might not, they should have put that on the opinion page? Or just not mentioned it at all?

barfo
 
barfo said:
Similarly, news outlets reported about a potential tsunami around the Pacific last night.
According to you, since it hadn't happened yet, and might not, they should have put that on the opinion page? Or just not mentioned it at all?

barfo
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Exactly.
Report accurately. Potential tsunami is very different than actual tsunami.
The same logic applies about famine.
Everyone here are certain of 'Famine in Gaza'. The truth is - No Famine.
Is there impending famine? Should actions take place? Okay - this can be discussed. But keep true while at it and acnowledge it is not famine. It is defenitly not good conditions and Gaza population shouldnt fight for flour or produce.
Once you go deeper to facts and what is the actual condition in Gaza, you learn that the aid entering Gaza is being kept by Hamas and SOLD exponantialy at higher prices to civilians that can afford it so they (Hamas) can keep their terror state running.
The poor suffer. But not because there is not enough aid entering, but because it is not distributed to them by their Hamas opressors.
 
crandc said:
Who knew Hamas was so powerful? They have fooled every reputable media outlet, medical groups, relief organizations, human rights groups, independent investigators into believing there are people starving in Gaza and situation getting worse. When everyone not stupid dupes knows Gaza is healthy!

Next thing you know Hamas will say Earth is round and stupid dupes like us will believe it!

There have been so many horrible incidents of Trump Gestapo rounding up Green Card holders, parents of citizen children, sick children, people who lived here legally. There was also an unverified and possibly incorrect story about torture survivor deported. If that story is untrue it doesn't mean all the other horrors didn't happen.

But I am one of those stupid dupe self hating Jews who is outraged safety of Jews is being used as excuse for genocide.
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I personally think Hamas is at the brink of destruction. Far from being powerful. That is why Al Jazzeera and Qatar funded media outlets (with intrests to perserve the conflict) are chiming in on a campaign of Famine in Gaza. So that the world will focus its gaze on Israel and feel for the Gaza people. The result - Hamas odd of surviving as 'legitimate' ruler increases - rendering the conflict unresolved (They didnt win, Israel didnt win) and now lets go at it again and again in few years time.

You want the conflict to end? Pick a side and commit. You are pro-palestine - no problem. But please dont be surprised once all the jews are ethnicly cleansed from the river to the sea. As this is what the Palestinian people chant and Ideologocally long for.
As an Israeli - sorry but I will resist it. Even of it means to be globally hated for few generations..
 
Really beginning to resemble antivaxxer. Expert opinion is wrong because it's expert. Random dude on Internet knows better.
 
crandc said:
Really beginning to resemble antivaxxer. Expert opinion is wrong because it's expert. Random dude on Internet knows better.
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I can preety much gurantee you I have higher experties regarding the conflict than you do, the same way I am sure you are far more expert than I with regards to U.S and local politics and culture.

When was the last time you were driving your car and suddently a loud siren sounds and you have to run for the nearest bomb shelter? For me - yesterday. A yemen rocket fired while I was driving back home from work. (Not interesting enough to be reported in mainstream media - too casual these days).
Trust me - I am far more invested and knowledgable in this reality than someone who lives peacfully and quietly at the otherside of the globe.
Not because I want to. Or because others lack intention or motivation to be involved and caring, But because this is life in conflict.
Do you jump when you hear a motorcycle acclerating? I do. Almost all here around me do. It sounds so much like a new siren..
How many people you personally know that have died in a war? How many are living with injuries? PTSD?
Please. Dont confuse me with antivaxxers or Trump blind supporters.

When was the last time you encountered Ideas / views that are similar to mine?
Do you see it all around you or just on these forum pages specifically because of me?
If the latter is true - just keep in mind of the slightest chance of an echo chamber.
Do you have Gazan people talking to you? Do you have iranian people talking to you? Do you have Israeli people talking to you?
Do you expect all of them to provide a concensus view of things or multifaceted aspects?
So.. experts or randoms, at least be able to consider the fact that the things you know/think you know are most likely incomplete. Not due to lack of trying. But due to realities and how the world and infromation flow works.
 
2Fluffy4U said:
Exactly.
Report accurately. Potential tsunami is very different than actual tsunami.
The same logic applies about famine.
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But you were just criticizing them for reporting potential famine.

2Fluffy4U said:
"are facing what aid groups say is impending famine."

Reporting of future potential events is not facts/journalism. Its op ed.
Also - the underlying fact of the statement is - no famine. 'impending famine' is not actual famine.
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If it's wrong to report potential famine because it hasn't happened yet, it must surely be wrong to report a potential tsunami because it hasn't happened yet.

I think it is a well-established scientific fact that if people don't eat, they starve to death, just as it is well-established that undersea earthquakes can cause tsunamis.

barfo
 
2Fluffy4U said:
I can preety much gurantee you I have higher experties regarding the conflict than you do, the same way I am sure you are far more expert than I with regards to U.S and local politics and culture.

When was the last time you were driving your car and suddently a loud siren sounds and you have to run for the nearest bomb shelter? For me - yesterday. A yemen rocket fired while I was driving back home from work. (Not interesting enough to be reported in mainstream media - too casual these days).
Trust me - I am far more invested and knowledgable in this reality than someone who lives peacfully and quietly at the otherside of the globe.
Not because I want to. Or because others lack intention or motivation to be involved and caring, But because this is life in conflict.
Do you jump when you hear a motorcycle acclerating? I do. Almost all here around me do. It sounds so much like a new siren..
How many people you personally know that have died in a war? How many are living with injuries? PTSD?
Please. Dont confuse me with antivaxxers or Trump blind supporters.

When was the last time you encountered Ideas / views that are similar to mine?
Do you see it all around you or just on these forum pages specifically because of me?
If the latter is true - just keep in mind of the slightest chance of an echo chamber.
Do you have Gazan people talking to you? Do you have iranian people talking to you? Do you have Israeli people talking to you?
Do you expect all of them to provide a concensus view of things or multifaceted aspects?
So.. experts or randoms, at least be able to consider the fact that the things you know/think you know are most likely incomplete. Not due to lack of trying. But due to realities and how the world and infromation flow works.
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These are good points.
However a counterpoint that you should consider is that the rest of us here aren't anywhere near as emotionally invested in the outcome as you are.
And emotion isn't highly compatible with reason.

barfo
 
I read weather report first thing in the morning. It hasn't happened yet.
Famine in Gaza is happening.
 
Since June 89 children and 65 adults have died of malnutrition in Gaza....Associated Press report one child and 46 adults were killed from bombs while waiting for food aid today. ...enough is enough.
 
riverman said:
Canada is joining the UK and France in recognizing an independent Palestinian state. Now hopefully they'll do the same for Taiwan.
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This goes to show the western world learned nothing from the Arab Spring and Winter. (Wikipedia/AI it for info).

What good will come out by recognizing an independent Palestinian state unilaterly?
Can you recognize its borders? Do you know who is its ruler?

What message does this send to Hamas?

You want a Palestinian state? Sure.
1. Have them state they recognize Israel as sovreign state side by side.
2. Have them agree on borders (Gaza, West bank, East Jerusalem - as was agreed in the past by Israel). [Hint hint - they refuse cause they want Tel Aviv].
3. Have them state they will no longer want any additional land end declare end of all lands dispute.

This current 'recognition' is done for soley one reason - sooth domestic political pressures (i.e Macron wanting to keep his chair by looking as if he cares about Palestinians because french muslim immigrants and far left woke ideologies allign and). If you care about Palestinians, you do everything in your power to free them from Hamas, and a false Ideology of from the river to the sea.
(This btw applies on Israel as well - free Isrealis from far right ideology of Israel ruling in Gaza and West bank).
Both sides must be forced into compromises. Not pushed into false hopes.
 
2Fluffy4U said:
This goes to show the western world learned nothing from the Arab Spring and Winter. (Wikipedia/AI it for info).

What good will come out by recognizing an independent Palestinian state unilaterly?
Can you recognize its borders? Do you know who is its ruler?

What message does this send to Hamas?

You want a Palestinian state? Sure.
1. Have them state they recognize Israel as sovreign state side by side.
2. Have them agree on borders (Gaza, West bank, East Jerusalem - as was agreed in the past by Israel). [Hint hint - they refuse cause they want Tel Aviv].
3. Have them state they will no longer want any additional land end declare end of all lands dispute.

This current 'recognition' is done for soley one reason - sooth domestic political pressures (i.e Macron wanting to keep his chair by looking as if he cares about Palestinians because french muslim immigrants and far left woke ideologies allign and). If you care about Palestinians, you do everything in your power to free them from Hamas, and a false Ideology of from the river to the sea.
(This btw applies on Israel as well - free Isrealis from far right ideology of Israel ruling in Gaza and West bank).
Both sides must be forced into compromises. Not pushed into false hopes.
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Jimmy carter laid out this two state plan long ago. Israelis did not respect the West Bank borders and continued to develop expanded borders. Also water rights have not been shared fairly in the region. Of course peace comes with a sovereign Israeli state. Palestinians can choose their own leadership. Netanyahu is not helping solve the stalemate at all nor were the radical terrorists that took the Israeli hostages last Nov. the solution has to come with a cease fire and withdrawal of military occupation first and foremost. Yes I want a Palestinian state. A Ukrainian state and a Taiwanese state. I believe in democracy, tolerance and the right to choose
 
Im with you. Offer the Palestinians the borders you think Palestine should be.
Hope they agree with you. But what happens if they dont?

The first guy in the video is our hope. The second one - not so much.

 
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Every Israeli prime minister before Netanyahu has understood the importance of bipartisan support for Israel. Netanyahu made it partisan.
Israel is most isolated it has ever been but he is staying out of prison. Priorities.
 
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