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Some news and updates:

The IDF has withdrawn to the 'yellow' line according to Trumps plan.
Hamas is expected to release all living hostages within the next 14-20 hours..

Hamas is currently regaining control of Gaza. Deployed 5000 of his people and assigned new district leaders.
While doing so - Hamas is fighting with local families that oppose it - and executes them.

A well know Hamas terrorist that since OCT 7th was considered as a media / Press personel was killed today. He was killed as Hamas was fighting the local 'Dagmush' family (Hamula).

Here is his X account for review:
Check out صالح الجعفراوي | Saleh Aljafarawi on X.
الحساب الرسمي للصحفي والمؤثر صالح الجعفراوي | سُبْحانَ اللهِ وبِحَمْدِه https://x.com/S_Aljafarawi

One thing is sure - if he was killed by the IDF this would have made the headlines all over the world.
But since it was Hamas fighting with Palestinians - you will not hear about it from any media outlet associated with Qatar/Al Jazeera/Pro Palestine..
 
2Fluffy4U said:
Some news and updates:

The IDF has withdrawn to the 'yellow' line according to Trumps plan.
Hamas is expected to release all living hostages within the next 14-20 hours..

Hamas is currently regaining control of Gaza. Deployed 5000 of his people and assigned new district leaders.
While doing so - Hamas is fighting with local families that oppose it - and executes them.

A well know Hamas terrorist that since OCT 7th was considered as a media / Press personel was killed today. He was killed as Hamas was fighting the local 'Dagmush' family (Hamula).

Here is his X account for review:
Check out صالح الجعفراوي | Saleh Aljafarawi on X.
الحساب الرسمي للصحفي والمؤثر صالح الجعفراوي | سُبْحانَ اللهِ وبِحَمْدِه https://x.com/S_Aljafarawi

One thing is sure - if he was killed by the IDF this would have made the headlines all over the world.
But since it was Hamas fighting with Palestinians - you will not hear about it from any media outlet associated with Qatar/Al Jazeera/Pro Palestine..
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Additional info: 52 of the 'Dagmush' family were killed/executed yesterday by Hamas (12 Hamas were killed in armed clashes with the family).

52. One family.
This is Palestinian ruling / society.

This is the 'peace' deal that leaves Hamas in power over Palestinian civilians.

People who chant Free Palestine - be sure you realise it most probably does not mean what you think it means.

So following this deal - how the future will look like?

I would say preety much the same as before Oct 7th.
Is that a good thing? Probably not.
Hamas is in Power.
Hamas will play the role of being oppressed for few years while recovering and gaining both political and financial resources.
In 5-15 years we will have another Oct 7 attack. Rinse and repeat.
 
Im glad the hostages are released! I hope the Arab Nations that want peace are involved in bringing about peace.
 
So the deal was if Hamas released all living hostages, they get to take over and stay in power in Palestine?
 
Chris Craig said:
So the deal was if Hamas released all living hostages, they get to take over and stay in power in Palestine?
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Well.. thats what the world wanted.
Israel wanted to eliminate Hamas, but the world said it is Genocidal.
Now Hamas is not Eliminiated.
Hostages are back.
This means Israel will very unlikely be able to resume actively fighting in Gaza.

The deal has phases.
Phase A was a release of all hostages (dead bodies have yet to complete transfer but expected to take place soon) and a complete cease fire.
Phase B is Hamas surrendering its weapons and foreign entities gain control of the area (Qatar, Turkey, the PLO etc).

Trump believes Phase B is feasible.
Isreal does not. But Trump has the Trump card for now.
I expect that in a few weeks this could very easily turn into a global devisive shit show.
Lets say Hamas now resumes aggressions within and out - attacking Palestinians and Israel (rockets etc).
Will Israel be allowed to fight back? They no longer have hostages held etc.. the world will frown and internal policies in America and Europe will pressure Israel to do nothing and keep at bay..
At the end of the day:
Hamas kinda won the war.
Israel is now hated globally.
Palestine was raised to be this freedom symbol.
Hamas is grown to be recognised as a valid political group and not as fundemental islamist extreme group.
And the end result is going back to Oct 6th - Hamas is in power.
The price they paid is a price they are more than willing to pay and are happy to pay.
Seeing Gaza in rubble is harsh for a westerner eye, but for Hamas supporters it is a delight and form of proudness.

Btw - check out this link (viewer discretion advised)
Footage of street executions held today in Gaza. Palestine is finally free huh?

https://rotter.net/forum/scoops1/918098.shtml?utm_source=rotter.net&utm_medium=newsticker
 
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I think we are getting closer to the brink of a WW3.
Trump went All-in with the 'Peace in the middle east' and declared it is now reached. (And all that needs to happen is for phase B to be signed and carried out).
Unfortunatly, Trump does not understand the middle east, Just as Obama did not.
However, when Obama failed - he just left it to be (with hundreds of thousands of dead people due to his actions leading to Syria Civil war and Egypts Muslim brotherhoood cout de tat)
Once Trump realises his failure - he may just go all out WW3..
 
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I believe we will not ever see a WW3. I believe the world will tire of war in the future. The next war will be an economic war, not a military one...currently we have several still ongoing but I believe the old school militants are going to fall from favor in the future..
 
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If Trump actually did anything to cause this to happen I give him credit. I'll give Netanyahu and the Palestinians credit as well for stopping the war. It's a good day in Gaza and Israel.
 
The Arab Nation behind this have skin in the game and terrorism is bad for business. Plus most cant stand the Iranians, I see the Abraham accords built around business relationships as a way to keep Irans influence and support of terror at bay.
 
riverman said:
I believe we will not ever see a WW3. I believe the world will tire of war in the future. The next war will be an economic war, not a military one...currently we have several still ongoing but I believe the old school militants are going to fall from favor in the future..
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I think this a bit Naive, and blindspotted due to your own / society's own fatigue.
If there is anything we can learn from the past five years is that history EASILY repeats itself.
Global leaders blaiming each other, scapegoating others, seeking power. While the common people are mear tools and fodder.
Your comment almost disregard the fact we actually witness high capacity military wars this year - Russia Ukraine, Iran Israel, Iran USA, Yemen Israel.
Countries that are actually being hit by misslies, rockets, drones - civilians, infrastracture and energy sites alike..
The reality is the world was stabilised for a while post WW2, but it is now time for inevitable global power shiftings and destabilisations.. the pendulin always swings..
 
2Fluffy4U said:
Additional info: 52 of the 'Dagmush' family were killed/executed yesterday by Hamas (12 Hamas were killed in armed clashes with the family).

52. One family.
This is Palestinian ruling / society.

This is the 'peace' deal that leaves Hamas in power over Palestinian civilians.

People who chant Free Palestine - be sure you realise it most probably does not mean what you think it means.

So following this deal - how the future will look like?

I would say preety much the same as before Oct 7th.
Is that a good thing? Probably not.
Hamas is in Power.
Hamas will play the role of being oppressed for few years while recovering and gaining both political and financial resources.
In 5-15 years we will have another Oct 7 attack. Rinse and repeat.
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Exactly why everything that Israel did was not only despicable, it was also stupid and short sighted.

This was always going to be the outcome. There was never a chance of anything else.
 
Chris Craig said:
So the deal was if Hamas released all living hostages, they get to take over and stay in power in Palestine?
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And they probably just had to "hold out" long enough to make it an incredibly profitable venture for the leaders of Hamas.

Of course, they likely weren't even in Gaza, but whatever...
 
Phatguysrule said:
Exactly why everything that Israel did was not only despicable, it was also stupid and short sighted.

This was always going to be the outcome. There was never a chance of anything else.
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Accroding to this logic - Hamas cant be beaten then..
How would you eradicate Hamas?
Btw - Trump still think Hamas will be beaten - the only difference is that now Israel is out of the equation and Trump himself took responsibilty on the matter.
We will sooner than later learn if the outcome you think was the given will actually materialise for the long term..

As I said - Phase B is now the question.
Trump may be right and may be wrong.. but either way - Israel will only be the stick now - if needed. We are currently in the carrot phase.
 
2Fluffy4U said:
Well.. thats what the world wanted.
Israel wanted to eliminate Hamas, but the world said it is Genocidal.
Now Hamas is not Eliminiated.
Hostages are back.
This means Israel will very unlikely be able to resume actively fighting in Gaza.

The deal has phases.
Phase A was a release of all hostages (dead bodies have yet to complete transfer but expected to take place soon) and a complete cease fire.
Phase B is Hamas surrendering its weapons and foreign entities gain control of the area (Qatar, Turkey, the PLO etc).

Trump believes Phase B is feasible.
Isreal does not. But Trump has the Trump card for now.
I expect that in a few weeks this could very easily turn into a global devisive shit show.
Lets say Hamas now resumes aggressions within and out - attacking Palestinians and Israel (rockets etc).
Will Israel be allowed to fight back? They no longer have hostages held etc.. the world will frown and internal policies in America and Europe will pressure Israel to do nothing and keep at bay..
At the end of the day:
Hamas kinda won the war.
Israel is now hated globally.
Palestine was raised to be this freedom symbol.
Hamas is grown to be recognised as a valid political group and not as fundemental islamist extreme group.
And the end result is going back to Oct 6th - Hamas is in power.
The price they paid is a price they are more than willing to pay and are happy to pay.
Seeing Gaza in rubble is harsh for a westerner eye, but for Hamas supporters it is a delight and form of proudness.

Btw - check out this link (viewer discretion advised)
Footage of street executions held today in Gaza. Palestine is finally free huh?

https://rotter.net/forum/scoops1/918098.shtml?utm_source=rotter.net&utm_medium=newsticker
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Israel is now hated globally because of their own stupid and selfish actions. Exactly as I've been saying all along. There was never any hope of successfully hurting Hamas militarily in Gaza. That was just a way for Netanyahu to keep power by weakening Israeli standing worldwide. Just like Trump is doing in the US.

The whole thing has been disgusting and has made Israel look evil, petulant and completely unworthy of respect.

The people supporting those actions have been like MAGA supporting Trump here in the US. Shameful.

October 6th was an opportunity for Israel to show class and gain a huge amount of good will by behaving like the civilized people they (we) have the potential to be. They could have showed that Hamas was wrong about them. But they decided to do their best to prove the opposite...
 
2Fluffy4U said:
Accroding to this logic - Hamas cant be beaten then..
How would you eradicate Hamas?
Btw - Trump still think Hamas will be beaten - the only difference is that now Israel is out of the equation and Trump himself took responsibilty on the matter.
We will sooner than later learn if the outcome you think was the given will actually materialise for the long term..

As I said - Phase B is now the question.
Trump may be right and may be wrong.. but either way - Israel will only be the stick now - if needed. We are currently in the carrot phase.
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Trump is wrong. As usual.

No amount of military violence can improve this situation.

Hamas can be beaten by educating Gaza. It will take a long time. But Bibi has wasted decades that could have gotten us nearly there by now.
 
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Phatguysrule said:
Trump is wrong. As usual.

No amount of military violence can improve this situation.

Hamas can be beaten by educating Gaza. It will take a long time. But Bibi has wasted decades that could have been gotten us nearly there by now.
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There is no need for Hamas if the people of Palestine had equal rights and a right to self determination. Hamas was elected when the previous leadership was corrupt and took money from Israel to keep things the same. Hamas doesn't want to governing anymore. They have tried to give up the mantle on numerous occasions, but Israel and the U.S. won't let it happen.
 
Sheldon Shape said:
There is no need for Hamas if the people of Palestine had equal rights and a right to self determination. Hamas was elected when the previous leadership was corrupt and took money from Israel to keep things the same. Hamas doesn't want to governing anymore. They have tried to give up the mantle on numerous occasions, but Israel and the U.S. won't let it happen.
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Yeah, certainly Trump and Bibi won't let that happen. Hamas is far too useful.

Actually, Trump may let Hamas quit governing. Then he'll proceed to put Palestinians in reservations while he turns Gaza into a resort...
 
2Fluffy4U said:
I think this a bit Naive, and blindspotted due to your own / society's own fatigue.
If there is anything we can learn from the past five years is that history EASILY repeats itself.
Global leaders blaiming each other, scapegoating others, seeking power. While the common people are mear tools and fodder.
Your comment almost disregard the fact we actually witness high capacity military wars this year - Russia Ukraine, Iran Israel, Iran USA, Yemen Israel.
Countries that are actually being hit by misslies, rockets, drones - civilians, infrastracture and energy sites alike..
The reality is the world was stabilised for a while post WW2, but it is now time for inevitable global power shiftings and destabilisations.. the pendulin always swings..
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I'm a war veteran with grandchildren...I know what war fatigue is. Situation, problem, process, solution. Never accept getting stuck on the problem and making a life out of it. Pass it on!
 
riverman said:
I'm a war veteran with grandchildren...I know what war fatigue is. Situation, problem, process, solution. Never accept getting stuck on the problem and making a life out of it. Pass it on!
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I'm war veteran with personal friends and family killed (my commader in reserve duty for the past 15 years and his deputy died on 10.24.24 in Lebanon recent clash). The probable difference between us is that I live in the middle east.
My opposers are not the Germans, not the Vietnamese. They are religious zealots fanatics educated from day one to annhilate me and my homeland.. (being a tool for those in power who use religion for this matter).
So looking at things under the premise that people get fatigue and will eventually stop fighting - is false. People will keep doing it over and over like in the lemmings game..
The only solution is a Win or Lose solution. Peace can only be achieved on the account of one side loosing. I prefer it not to be me.. but that is a feasible reality IMO.
Israel can lose.
The world hates it right now. Think of it to be a Nazi Genocidal rogue state (which is far from true but you cant fight the narratives pushed by qatar backed media and social influencers).
The amount of people now days that will not care and think Israel deserve to be annhialted has never been this high.
People around the world would be I dare say happy to see Tel Aviv destroyed or Israel turning into a place for Palestinian people to reign and take over.
The narrative changed.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Israel is now hated globally because of their own stupid and selfish actions. Exactly as I've been saying all along. There was never any hope of successfully hurting Hamas militarily in Gaza. That was just a way for Netanyahu to keep power by weakening Israeli standing worldwide. Just like Trump is doing in the US.

The whole thing has been disgusting and has made Israel look evil, petulant and completely unworthy of respect.

The people supporting those actions have been like MAGA supporting Trump here in the US. Shameful.

October 6th was an opportunity for Israel to show class and gain a huge amount of good will by behaving like the civilized people they (we) have the potential to be. They could have showed that Hamas was wrong about them. But they decided to do their best to prove the opposite...
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You are entitled to these views.
I am only sorry as I think Israel lost the ability to convey reality.
We live in a post-post modernistic times - where even facts no longer hold weight.
All is needed is media control and narrative building.
The facts are - Hamas wants Israel destroyed and will keep pushing towards this goal.
Israel is/was at war. It destroyed a lot of (reports of around 70% of buildings in Gaza - that is immense force). However - only around 3% of the population is killed. How can this disrepancy be explained?
Fact of the matter that is how you put pressure and lead to this deal. By hurting them until they surrender (while minimizing casuallties).
But.. social media will just chant over and over about genocide, starvation, turture etc.. and the masses swallow it in whole.
Facts no longer matter. Just intrests and powers to control narratives..

What do you think should have been done on oct 6th you referred to as good will?
 
Trump made a point of praising Egyptian dictator head of state, incongruously bringing up Hillary Clinton.

In 2016 his campaign was broke. He was urged to put personal money into campaign which he refused. Egypt withdrew $10 million in US dollars, almost entire reserve of dollars, in cash. 200 pounds of cash. Suddenly Trump campaign had $10 million "loan" which was never repaid. It's illegal for foreign government to fund candidates. Justice Department investigation shut down by Trump attorney general.
 
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