Politics Military is coming to Portland, Trump authorizes “full force” if needed

[crandc]

Is there any reason why Portland police could not have arrested this woman?

Trump is setting up special National Guard units to deploy in cities. He claims, contra the law, he can send Army, Navy, Air Force and Marines to cities to, I don't know, intimidate voters on election day?

 

[Denny Crane]

That is a single incident. Not a mob that would require being put down by the military.

But police arrested 60+. Which is it? Single incident or 60+. That also happens to be one of dozens of federal arrests/charges.

 

[Denny Crane]

Is there any reason why Portland police could not have arrested this woman?

Trump is setting up special National Guard units to deploy in cities. He claims, contra the law, he can send Army, Navy, Air Force and Marines to cities to, I don't know, intimidate voters on election day?

They weren’t there. That’s the point. If the police protected the property, it would be them using (or not) pepper balls and tear gas and any other riot measures.

Like I originally wrote, when governors of two states refused (and blocked) to allow integration of public schools, the feds called up the national guard. Racist a-holes didn’t like that. States rights advocates didn’t either. But when the local government won’t follow the laws (or hinder their execution), the feds have precedent to do so - and the law on their side.

I would say a governor literally standing in the doorway of a high school to block entrance by black kids is insurrection.

I would add that the police can arrest ICE officials who beat innocent bystanders. It’s assault & battery.

 

[Denny Crane]

Is there any reason why Portland police could not have arrested this woman?

Trump is setting up special National Guard units to deploy in cities. He claims, contra the law, he can send Army, Navy, Air Force and Marines to cities to, I don't know, intimidate voters on election day?

He likely won’t be allowed to send in federal troops. It violates the posse comatitus act.

The only rational argument for doing so is that the illegal immigrants are enemy invaders, but I don’t think the courts will buy that argument.

I have a good friend who worked 30 years in the prison system. He says a lot of those hispanic prisoners are very bad people, and dangerous.

 

[Phatguysrule]

But police arrested 60+. Which is it? Single incident or 60+. That also happens to be one of dozens of federal arrests/charges.

60+ over 5 months, right? So like 1 person every few days... why would the national guard be needed to handle that kind of volume?

 

[crandc]

Create confrontation by sending federal troops against wishes of governor, mayor, police chief.
Say confrontation proves federal troops needed.

 

[Denny Crane]

60+ over 5 months, right? So like 1 person every few days... why would the national guard be needed to handle that kind of volume?

Terrible logic.

At any time, any one person can cause harm to life and property.

It’s more likely because it’s already happened.

That’s what was argued in the appeals court hearing. You might want to read the many pages, page after page, of actions that led them to feel the need for more defense.

If you want, I can paste them all here, or you can read the court ruling.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.ca9.b3c1c6b0-b390-4c9d-b557-fc5d525fd150/gov.uscourts.ca9.b3c1c6b0-b390-4c9d-b557-fc5d525fd150.61.0.pdf

Start on page 4 and continues through page 16. Including bomb threats.

 

[barfo]

He likely won’t be allowed to send in federal troops. It violates the posse comatitus act.

The only rational argument for doing so is that the illegal immigrants are enemy invaders, but I don’t think the courts will buy that argument.

I have a good friend who worked 30 years in the prison system. He says a lot of those hispanic prisoners are very bad people, and dangerous.

And the white prisoners are good people and not dangerous?

barfo

 

[Strenuus]

Why do you think 70 soldiers are needed to defend a single building? Especially given that ICE and CBP and probably other varieties of feds are already onsite and are completely happy to beat up citizens themselves.

barfo

That’s the number they determined it takes. As it is, when the protests have been unruly, they have to call in off duty personnel and assign others to defend the building and ICE guys.

I’m sure they’re only taking physical actions when there’s a real threat.
[/QUOTE]

Like when the "threat" is standing across a line, protesting as is their first amendement right, and gets pulled in by an officer? Like that?

Or when an ambulance is coming through with a person who needs to go to the hospital, and they threaten the paramedic? LIke that?

Like when NOTHING is happening for hours and hours, hell even days (which you have seen) and then the only videos of violence has NOT been because of the protestors (Which by your stance you clearly have seen, but are misguided)

Honest question: Did you think Portland was a warzone before this all happened? Did you? Did you think it was necessary BEFORE the videos of ANYTHING happened?

No, because they WANTED TO CREATE IT TO JUSTIFY IT. It never EVEN CAME CLOSE to being justified. EVER. And its bullshit if you believe it does. I fucking live here. IT WAS NEVER A FUCKING WARZONE.

Be smarter than that.

 

[Everything Beagle]

I like the website more when Denny Crane isn’t posting. When he posts, we all have to stand around explaining things to him instead of having a more interesting conversation.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Terrible logic.

At any time, any one person can cause harm to life and property.

It’s more likely because it’s already happened.

That’s what was argued in the appeals court hearing. You might want to read the many pages, page after page, of actions that led them to feel the need for more defense.

If you want, I can paste them all here, or you can read the court ruling.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.ca9.b3c1c6b0-b390-4c9d-b557-fc5d525fd150/gov.uscourts.ca9.b3c1c6b0-b390-4c9d-b557-fc5d525fd150.61.0.pdf

Start on page 4 and continues through page 16. Including bomb threats.

Yeah that reads like a bunch of lies. It sounds like Trump is making things up in his head and his attorneys are making it sound better and writing it down.

This sounds so much like the "one death is too many" argument people make about so many things. Talk about terrible logic.

Leads to one person might kill somebody so we have to live under authoritarian rule to keep everyone safe and nobody can have any freedom. Unless they have enough money.