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Is there any reason why Portland police could not have arrested this woman?

Trump is setting up special National Guard units to deploy in cities. He claims, contra the law, he can send Army, Navy, Air Force and Marines to cities to, I don't know, intimidate voters on election day?
 
Phatguysrule said:
That is a single incident. Not a mob that would require being put down by the military.
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But police arrested 60+. Which is it? Single incident or 60+. That also happens to be one of dozens of federal arrests/charges.
 
crandc said:
Is there any reason why Portland police could not have arrested this woman?

Trump is setting up special National Guard units to deploy in cities. He claims, contra the law, he can send Army, Navy, Air Force and Marines to cities to, I don't know, intimidate voters on election day?
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They weren’t there. That’s the point. If the police protected the property, it would be them using (or not) pepper balls and tear gas and any other riot measures.

Like I originally wrote, when governors of two states refused (and blocked) to allow integration of public schools, the feds called up the national guard. Racist a-holes didn’t like that. States rights advocates didn’t either. But when the local government won’t follow the laws (or hinder their execution), the feds have precedent to do so - and the law on their side.

I would say a governor literally standing in the doorway of a high school to block entrance by black kids is insurrection.

I would add that the police can arrest ICE officials who beat innocent bystanders. It’s assault & battery.
 
crandc said:
Is there any reason why Portland police could not have arrested this woman?

Trump is setting up special National Guard units to deploy in cities. He claims, contra the law, he can send Army, Navy, Air Force and Marines to cities to, I don't know, intimidate voters on election day?
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He likely won’t be allowed to send in federal troops. It violates the posse comatitus act.

The only rational argument for doing so is that the illegal immigrants are enemy invaders, but I don’t think the courts will buy that argument.

I have a good friend who worked 30 years in the prison system. He says a lot of those hispanic prisoners are very bad people, and dangerous.
 
Denny Crane said:
But police arrested 60+. Which is it? Single incident or 60+. That also happens to be one of dozens of federal arrests/charges.
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60+ over 5 months, right? So like 1 person every few days... why would the national guard be needed to handle that kind of volume?
 
Create confrontation by sending federal troops against wishes of governor, mayor, police chief.
Say confrontation proves federal troops needed.
 
Phatguysrule said:
60+ over 5 months, right? So like 1 person every few days... why would the national guard be needed to handle that kind of volume?
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Terrible logic.

At any time, any one person can cause harm to life and property.

It’s more likely because it’s already happened.

That’s what was argued in the appeals court hearing. You might want to read the many pages, page after page, of actions that led them to feel the need for more defense.

If you want, I can paste them all here, or you can read the court ruling.


Start on page 4 and continues through page 16. Including bomb threats.
 
Denny Crane said:
He likely won’t be allowed to send in federal troops. It violates the posse comatitus act.

The only rational argument for doing so is that the illegal immigrants are enemy invaders, but I don’t think the courts will buy that argument.

I have a good friend who worked 30 years in the prison system. He says a lot of those hispanic prisoners are very bad people, and dangerous.
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And the white prisoners are good people and not dangerous?

barfo
 
Denny Crane said:
Why do you think 70 soldiers are needed to defend a single building? Especially given that ICE and CBP and probably other varieties of feds are already onsite and are completely happy to beat up citizens themselves.

barfo
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That’s the number they determined it takes. As it is, when the protests have been unruly, they have to call in off duty personnel and assign others to defend the building and ICE guys.

I’m sure they’re only taking physical actions when there’s a real threat.
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Like when the "threat" is standing across a line, protesting as is their first amendement right, and gets pulled in by an officer? Like that?

Or when an ambulance is coming through with a person who needs to go to the hospital, and they threaten the paramedic? LIke that?

Like when NOTHING is happening for hours and hours, hell even days (which you have seen) and then the only videos of violence has NOT been because of the protestors (Which by your stance you clearly have seen, but are misguided)

Honest question: Did you think Portland was a warzone before this all happened? Did you? Did you think it was necessary BEFORE the videos of ANYTHING happened?

No, because they WANTED TO CREATE IT TO JUSTIFY IT. It never EVEN CAME CLOSE to being justified. EVER. And its bullshit if you believe it does. I fucking live here. IT WAS NEVER A FUCKING WARZONE.

Be smarter than that.
 
I like the website more when Denny Crane isn’t posting. When he posts, we all have to stand around explaining things to him instead of having a more interesting conversation.
 
Denny Crane said:
Terrible logic.

At any time, any one person can cause harm to life and property.

It’s more likely because it’s already happened.

That’s what was argued in the appeals court hearing. You might want to read the many pages, page after page, of actions that led them to feel the need for more defense.

If you want, I can paste them all here, or you can read the court ruling.


Start on page 4 and continues through page 16. Including bomb threats.
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Yeah that reads like a bunch of lies. It sounds like Trump is making things up in his head and his attorneys are making it sound better and writing it down.

This sounds so much like the "one death is too many" argument people make about so many things. Talk about terrible logic.

Leads to one person might kill somebody so we have to live under authoritarian rule to keep everyone safe and nobody can have any freedom. Unless they have enough money.
 
San Francisco man charged with felony assault on officer had case thrown out by judge when video clearly showed he wasn't the one doing assaulting.
 
Phatguysrule said:
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561K views · 27K reactions | Shout out to the local media who's doing all they can to show the truth of what's going on in Portland! | Salem Community Oregonizers

Shout out to the local media who's doing all they can to show the truth of what's going on in Portland!
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Thank God Merkley has been stepping up and at least trying to bring receipts. Our Senator from NY (Wyden) is doing his usual whining and handwringing while doing his best not to piss off his donors. Jeff might not be the most powerful orator but he’s definitely on the right side…..
 
Confused. Why are they saying it’s ok one week, then a different court over rules and then another court changes their decision? How many times can this go to court?
 

McMinnville High School student arrested by ICE during lunch period off campus​



A McMinnville High School student was arrested by Immigration and Customs Enforcement officers while on his lunch break off campus, the school district confirmed to KOIN 6 News.

The 17-year-old senior is a U.S. citizen, according to the Yamhill County News-Register. The district did not confirm those specific details to KOIN 6, saying they couldn’t share the student’s name or other personal information due to privacy laws.
 
SlyPokerDog said:

McMinnville High School student arrested by ICE during lunch period off campus​



A McMinnville High School student was arrested by Immigration and Customs Enforcement officers while on his lunch break off campus, the school district confirmed to KOIN 6 News.

The 17-year-old senior is a U.S. citizen, according to the Yamhill County News-Register. The district did not confirm those specific details to KOIN 6, saying they couldn’t share the student’s name or other personal information due to privacy laws.
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www.oregonlive.com

High school senior, a U.S. citizen, detained by ICE in Oregon

The 17-year-old was held more than five hours Friday in an ICE facility, his brother said.
www.oregonlive.com www.oregonlive.com

Immigration officers detained a McMinnville High School student Friday off school grounds, the student’s family said.



Christian Jimenez, 17, a U.S. citizen born in Newberg and a high school senior, was driving his father’s car around 12:30 p.m. during his lunch break when U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement officers stopped his car, Jimenez’s older brother, Cesar Jimenez, said in an interview.




The teenager told the officers he was a U.S. citizen, but an officer proceeded to break the car’s driver’s side window and detain him. In a video shared by Cesar Jimenez, the boy can be heard telling an officer that he is a citizen, to which the officer replies, “Get out of the car” and “I don’t care.”



Christian Jimenez was transported to the ICE facility in South Portland and was released shortly before 7 p.m. on Friday, his brother said. Authorities are trying to charge his brother with “interference or obstruction of investigation,” Cesar Jimenez said.
 
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