Militia takes over Malheur National Wildlife Refuge headquarters (1 Viewer)

[barfo]

I don't believe they rewrote the story. Why would they?

If you go to that link now it is dated January 27, 2016 10:55pm

If they didn't change it why did they change the dateline, hmm?

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

If you go to that link now it is dated January 27, 2016 10:55pm

If they didn't change it why did they change the dateline, hmm?

barfo

They do often add to existing stories as things progress.

They're not going to substantially alter something like "these guys are militia" without also posting "article updated to remove these guys are militia because ..." (somewhere near the bottom).

The facts as they are in reality are that these people are loosely affiliated and protesting a real wrong done them by the government. Some militias might lend their support to the cause, but none actually have.

Your article still doesn't mention the word "militia" even once.

It does mention one militia organization:

A group in contact with the occupiers, calling itself the Pacific Patriots Network, urged supporters to “stand by” as it urged peace and gathered more information about what was happening. “Cooler heads must prevail,” the group said in a statement.

 

[barfo]

They do often add to existing stories as things progress.

They're not going to substantially alter something like "these guys are militia" without also posting "article updated to remove these guys are militia because ..." (somewhere near the bottom).

The facts as they are in reality are that these people are loosely affiliated and protesting a real wrong done them by the government. Some militias might lend their support to the cause, but none actually have.

Your article still doesn't mention the word "militia" even once.

It does mention one militia organization:

Yes, no one would ever remove a quote from a story during a rewrite.

Similarly, we have no idea whether they had guns on them when they were stopped on the highway.

DennyWorld is such an interesting place.

barfo

 

[KeepOnRollin]

http://web.archive.org/web/20160128...-oregon-refuge-roadblocks-20160127-story.html

A second man cooed to the camera in a singsong voice, “What you gonna do, what you gonna do when the militia comes after you, FBI?”

Robert "LaVoy" Finicum died when militia members were stopped on an Oregon road. Finicum told the Associated Press in early January that the occupation of a wildlife refuge was "intended to be peaceful." He also said, referring to the rifle in his lap, "I'm not going to jail."

The void of official information about the incident has been filled by unverified videos circulating widely on social media among militia supporters.

You are both quite petty. One of you does this on a regular basis however which is pitiful.

 

[barfo]

You are both quite pretty.

FTFY. And thanks for the archival research.

barfo

 

[Further]

You guys are both pretty petty, love Tom Petty, never go potty, were conceived in petri dishes and are never satisfied with with a mani peti.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

You are both quite petty. One of you does this on a regular basis however which is pitiful.

Sorry, I can't help it.

 

[Haakzilla]

...seems like there are two narratives as to what actually went down

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Whoa... this are getting a little weird in camp.

 

[riverman]

Whoa... this are getting a little weird in camp.

It's a four legged sleeping bag surrounded by trash with a soundtrack!

 

[barfo]

It's a four legged sleeping bag surrounded by trash with a soundtrack!

At least it looks like they've got plenty of snacks.

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

Yes, no one would ever remove a quote from a story during a rewrite.

Similarly, we have no idea whether they had guns on them when they were stopped on the highway.

DennyWorld is such an interesting place.

barfo

Actually, they don't and it's not a rewrite.

They certainly won't remove quotes and they won't edit them to say something else.

 

[Denny Crane]

http://web.archive.org/web/20160128...-oregon-refuge-roadblocks-20160127-story.html

This is good stuff and all that. I see Fox News calls them militia in all their stories. AP doesn't, nor does Reuters.

The question barfo was asked was to produce anything that showed the protestors IDENTIFIED THEMSELVES AS MILITIA.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

...seems like there are two narratives as to what actually went down

I'm 3 mins in but according to the witness they refused to listen to the commands of law enforcement to turn the car off and exit the vehicle, then told them they were going to talk to the sheriff and drove off. If cops have their guns on you, you don't ignore them and try to drive away.

 

[Denny Crane]

I'm 3 mins in but according to the witness they refused to listen to the commands of law enforcement to turn the car off and exit the vehicle, then told them they were going to talk to the sheriff and drove off. If cops have their guns on you, you don't ignore them and try to drive away.

Civil disobedience.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_disobedience

Civil disobedience is the active, professed refusal to obey certain laws, demands, and commands of a government, or of an occupying international power. Civil disobedience is a symbolic or ritualistic violation of the law, rather than a rejection of the system as a whole. Civil disobedience is sometimes, though not always,[1][2] defined as being nonviolent resistance.

 

[KeepOnRollin]

This is good stuff and all that. I see Fox News calls them militia in all their stories. AP doesn't, nor does Reuters.

The question barfo was asked was to produce anything that showed the protestors IDENTIFIED THEMSELVES AS MILITIA.

The first quote is from an occupier at the refuge referring to themselves as militia who could go after the FBI instead of vice-versa.

“There are no laws in this United States now! This is a free-for-all Armageddon!” a heavyset man holding a rifle yelled into a camera that was broadcast from the refuge Wednesday morning, adding that if “they stop you from getting here, kill them!”

A second man cooed to the camera in a singsong voice, “What you gonna do, what you gonna do when the militia comes after you, FBI?”

But on Wednesday afternoon, one of the group’s recently arrested leaders, Ammon Bundy, urged the remaining occupiers to “stand down,” leave the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge and “go home and hug your families.”

Feel free to think otherwise as you would prefer your toe to toe with barfo goes round and round some more.

You also said the article wasn't edited to take out the word militia and you asked him to show you the word militia in there even once. You even did a screenshot to make your point. You guys can call it a tie and kiss and make up for all I care.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I'm 3 mins in but according to the witness they refused to listen to the commands of law enforcement to turn the car off and exit the vehicle, then told them they were going to talk to the sheriff and drove off. If cops have their guns on you, you don't ignore them and try to drive away.

FBI snipers in the trees, and all the cops shooting into the car for 5-10mins and only 1 person dead and 1 person injured? Uh huh.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Civil disobedience.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_disobedience

Civil disobedience is the active, professed refusal to obey certain laws, demands, and commands of a government, or of an occupying international power. Civil disobedience is a symbolic or ritualistic violation of the law, rather than a rejection of the system as a whole. Civil disobedience is sometimes, though not always,[1][2] defined as being nonviolent resistance.

They drove towards the road block in front of them. That's not civil disobedience.

 

[Denny Crane]

The first quote is from an occupier at the refuge referring to themselves as militia who could go after the FBI instead of vice-versa.



Feel free to think otherwise as you would prefer your toe to toe with barfo goes round and round some more.

You also said the article wasn't edited to take out the word militia and you asked him to show you the word militia in there even once. You even did a screenshot to make your point. You guys can call it a tie and kiss and make up for all I care.

LOL

The point was to show the protestors calling themselves militia. Barfo posted a link that didn't even have the word "militia" in it once.

That's hilarious.

 

[Denny Crane]

They drove towards the road block in front of them. That's not civil disobedience.

Without civil disobedience, the civil rights movement would have been stopped in its tracks in the 1950s.

In 1968, anti government protesters flocked to Chicago to picket the Democratic Convention and took physical beatings from the cops, refusing to obey their orders.

Some people are willing to martyr themselves for the cause. Witness the Freedom Riders.

It is civil disobedience.

 

[KeepOnRollin]

LOL

The point was to show the protestors calling themselves militia. Barfo posted a link that didn't even have the word "militia" in it once.

That's hilarious.

LOL indeed!

 

[barfo]

Civil disobedience is a symbolic or ritualistic violation of the law, rather than a rejection of the system as a whole.

There are no laws in this United States now! This is a free-for-all Armageddon!

Sounds like a rejection of the system as a whole.

Trying to run from the police is not symbolic or ritualistic.

barfo

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Without civil disobedience, the civil rights movement would have been stopped in its tracks in the 1950s.

In 1968, anti government protesters flocked to Chicago to picket the Democratic Convention and took physical beatings from the cops, refusing to obey their orders.

Some people are willing to martyr themselves for the cause. Witness the Freedom Riders.

It is civil disobedience.

Uh huh. Driving a car at a police roadblock is civil disobedience.

Here is the twitter account for Ammon Bundy's lawyer, https://twitter.com/cmichaelarnold?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^author You should send him this colorful interpretation of the law.

 

[Denny Crane]

Sounds like a rejection of the system as a whole.

Trying to run from the police is not symbolic or ritualistic.

barfo

It's not a rejection of the system as a whole. It's begging the system to be restored.

Refusing to recognize the police's authority is symbolic.

 

[Denny Crane]

Uh huh. Driving a car at a police roadblock is civil disobedience.

Here is the twitter account for Ammon Bundy's lawyer, https://twitter.com/cmichaelarnold?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^author You should send him this colorful interpretation of the law.

Yeah, Nixon and Daley thought the same things of the 68 convention protesters.

The protesters were actually violent, too. They threw rocks and bottles and baggies full of urine and feces at the cops.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Refusing to recognize the police's authority is symbolic.

HAHAHAHAHAHA!

 

[Denny Crane]

HAHAHAHAHAHA!

Look, she's obeying the cops.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Yeah, Nixon and Daley thought the same things of the 68 convention protesters.

The protesters were actually violent, too. They threw rocks and bottles and baggies full of urine and feces at the cops.

If the cops ever pull me over and have guns pointed at me I'm going to do whatever the fuck they want. I think that's great if you want to do some symbolic protest, ignore them and drive off.

 

[barfo]

Yeah, Nixon and Daley thought the same things of the 68 convention protesters.

The protesters were actually violent, too. They threw rocks and bottles and baggies full of urine and feces at the cops.

And your point is what, two wrongs make a right? Criminal behavior should be tolerated because free speech?

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

If the cops ever pull me over and have guns pointed at me I'm going to do whatever the fuck they want. I think that's great if you want to do some symbolic protest, ignore them and drive off.

That's your right.



Think the cops asked her to leave peacefully?