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Blazer4ever said:
Look, Montero could be a fine player, I'm not against him I would even keep him if it was up to me. I just can't stand the thought we'd release Frazier cause Frazier isn't about potential or whatever, he's already a stud
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You seem to be pounding the Frazier drum fairly hard. That's fine, but I have yet to see anything from him to think he is anything more than an end of the bench role player.

Honestly that is what we are all debating about... end of bench role players. I think the majority in here would rather take a risk on players who have better physical attributes (like Montero) over short PG who don't have a great shot
 
Frazier is a rotation player in my book, even an important one. I see him as our 1st pg of the bench and playing alongside Damian with Dame at the 2. I think he could be our 3rd guard behind Dame and CJ and I think he is an undiscovered gem.
 
Blazer4ever said:
He's a pass-first PG. WTF?
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Pass first point guards who can't shoot don't stay in the league. Plain and simple. We've had a few on our team over the years. Sergio? Eric Maynor? Omar Cook?

Kendall Marshall was touted as a pass-first point guard going into the 2012 draft. He's now on his 4th team going into his 4th season. He was a lottery pick.
 
Blazer4ever said:
Frazier is a rotation player in my book, even an important one. I see him as our 1st pg of the bench and playing alongside Damian with Dame at the 2. I think he could be our 3rd guard behind Dame and CJ and I think he is an undiscovered gem.
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Not even close. If he does make the team, he'll never get off the bench. How big do you think our rotation is gonna be?

Dame
Henderson
Aminu
Leonard
Plumlee

That's your most likely starting five.

CJ
Crabbe
Harkless
Vonleh
Davis

That's 10 dudes right there. That's a fairly big rotation in and of itself. I highly doubt that Frazier will play over Crabbe.
 
CJ isn't a PG.
Frazier isn't a bad shooter, not his forte but he can score. Also, having Dame who's a scoring PG makes having a pass-first PG a priority.
 
Blazer4ever said:
CJ isn't a PG.
Frazier isn't a bad shooter, not his forte but he can score. Also, having Dame who's a scoring PG makes having a pass-first PG a priority.
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Whether CJ is a point guard or not, that's where they want to play him.
 
tester551 said:
You seem to be pounding the Frazier drum fairly hard. That's fine, but I have yet to see anything from him to think he is anything more than an end of the bench role player.

Honestly that is what we are all debating about... end of bench role players. I think the majority in here would rather take a risk on players who have better physical attributes (like Montero) over short PG who don't have a great shot
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Did you watch summer league? His stats were across the board better than Mudiay, who EVERYONE thinks is going to be a star. Mudiay can't shoot at all.

It just seems like people use advanced stats to sound smart, but when it comes to players they don't like they just give him a label. Bust out the advanced stats for summer league - how good is Frazier, give me a quantitative answer.
 
CJ at PG without one of Dame/Frazier/Pressey on the floor wouldn't work > he's not a PG
 
Maybe you could play a CJ-Crabbe backcourt for a few minutes but I doubt it
 
Blazer4ever said:
CJ isn't a PG.
Frazier isn't a bad shooter, not his forte but he can score. Also, having Dame who's a scoring PG makes having a pass-first PG a priority.
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He'll only have to play PG for 10 minutes a game, he's definitely competent enough to do that.
 
Yes but it's trying to make a square into a circle or however you say it. I think a much better option would be to use a Dame/CJ/Frazier rotation at guard for most of the game. I think any combo between them works better than CJ at PG
 
Wizard Mentor said:
Did you watch summer league? His stats were across the board better than Mudiay, who EVERYONE thinks is going to be a star. Mudiay can't shoot at all.

It just seems like people use advanced stats to sound smart, but when it comes to players they don't like they just give him a label. Bust out the advanced stats for summer league - how good is Frazier, give me a quantitative answer.
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I watched every SL game and I really wasn't impressed with him. In terms of pass-first point guards I would rate Sergio above him. I actually would like to get Sergio back on the team. He'd be awesome with this roster.
 
Blazer4ever said:
Yes but it's trying to make a square into a circle or however you say it. I think a much better option would be to use a Dame/CJ/Frazier rotation at guard for most of the game. I think any combo between them works better than CJ at PG
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So you're going to relegate Henderson - a bona fide starter - to DNP-CD while a NBADL player plays ahead of him? Not to mention Crabbe, who is also clearly ahead of Frazier in the pecking order.
 
Blazer4ever said:
Yes but it's trying to make a square into a circle or however you say it. I think a much better option would be to use a Dame/CJ/Frazier rotation at guard for most of the game. I think any combo between them works better than CJ at PG
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I believe the phrase is "trying to fit a square penis into a round vagina".
 
Couple things about Frazier..it's great to have a pt guard who is fast and pass first...it's not great to have a short pt guard who can't shoot, defend and is a turnover machine. CJ is going to be our 2nd pt guard..Montero is going to be way better at defense than Frazier or Pressy
 
Natebishop3 said:
Wizard Mentor said:
Did you watch summer league? His stats were across the board better than Mudiay, who EVERYONE thinks is going to be a star. Mudiay can't shoot at all.

It just seems like people use advanced stats to sound smart, but when it comes to players they don't like they just give him a label. Bust out the advanced stats for summer league - how good is Frazier, give me a quantitative answer.
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I watched every SL game and I really wasn't impressed with him. In terms of pass-first point guards I would rate Sergio above him. I actually would like to get Sergio back on the team. He'd be awesome with this roster.
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I completely concur with Nate. I watched every game, and I was not impressed...
 
There are 3 major points I would like to Bring up

#1 We aren't good so whoever #15 is doesn't matter.
#2 We aren't good so whoever #15 is doesn't matter.
#3 We aren't good so whoever #15 is doesn't matter.

Frazier could develop into a backup Caliber player. Pressey looks like he is kind of more a career third stringer due to height, he is shorter than Frazier. Now since the 15th guy doesn't matter, isn't it better to go for a guy that is 2 years younger 8 inches taller and has untapped talent compared to a short 4 year college player, who probably is much more of a what you see is what you get. On top of that Alexander is a simplar risk that Bennett was, had a lot of hype and talent, but kinda failed miserably at the level he went to. The bottom line is both Montero and Alexander have the tools to be more than Pressey, and frankly as I mentioned it doesn't matter this year anyway, swing big and miss, maybe you get a ground rule double, maybe a home run. Pressey is more like just taking a pitch.
 
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Reep said:
The only comparison between T-Rob and Alexander is their general build. I don't get how people can link the two without seeing Alexander play. He had less than half of an NCAA season. He is a complete unknown at this point. He has as much chance of becoming Amare as he does T-Rob. Personally, at almost no cost to the team, I would like to see which one he is before giving up on him.
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Don't get carried away. Montero, Frazier, Alexander, and Pressey were passed over 60 times in the draft. GMs didn't think much of the great potential you guys see in Alexander and Montero.

Meanwhile, Frazier and Pressey, though low potential, are polished and developed. It's Tank vs. Try To Win. Blazer4Ever is being reasonable, for trying to win.
 
Blazer4ever said:
I don't want to give up on Alexander either but Montero doesn't have "tons of potential" and he isn't a PG like some here are saying, Montero I did see play, he is an OK Shooting Guard as his ceiling. I also wouldn't mind holding on to him and waiving the baseball kid because he isn't going to be a star either, if he works hard, very hard, he some day becomes a backup 2 and that's higher than his ceiling. Frazier can be a vital piece for the team this year. I'm tired of people talking out of their asses mostly because I've already seen how these knowledgable opinions can have effect like T-Rob playing for Brooklyn right now
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You are talking out of your ass though.
 
Schilly said:
There are 3 major points I would like to Bring up

#1 We aren't good so whoever #15 is doesn't matter.
#2 We aren't good so whoever #15 is doesn't matter.
#3 We aren't good so whoever #15 is doesn't matter.

Frazier could develop into a backup Caliber player. Pressey looks like he is kind of more a career third stringer due to height, he is shorter than Frazier. Now since the 15th guy doesn't matter, isn't it better to go for a guy that is 2 years younger 8 inches taller and has untapped talent compared to a short 4 year college player, who probably is much more of a what you see is what you get. On top of that Alexander is a simplar risk that Bennett was, had a lot of hype and talent, but kinda fialed miserably at the level he went to. The bottom line is both Montero and Alexander have the tools to be more than Pressey, and frankly as I mentioned it doesn't matter this year anyway, swing big and miss, maybe you get a ground rule double, maybe a home run. Pressey is more like just taking a pitch.
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Let's say you take a test and only half-way complete it before the teacher takes the test away from you. Judging on the part of the test completed you are the best student in the class. But accounting for the fact that the other students in the class were allowed to finish the test and the total test is what seems to count, you are now judged a miserable failure in comparison to classmates.
 
Paine Tablet said:
Let's say you take a test and only half-way complete it before the teacher takes the test away from you. Judging on the part of the test completed you are the best student in the class. But accounting for the fact that the other students in the class were allowed to finish the test and the total test is what seems to count, you are now judged a miserable failure in comparison to classmates.
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How is this remotely even relevant? Maybe I missed the Memo? Are cuts being made today?
 
Paine Tablet said:
Let's say you take a test and only half-way complete it before the teacher takes the test away from you. Judging on the part of the test completed you are the best student in the class. But accounting for the fact that the other students in the class were allowed to finish the test and the total test is what seems to count, you are now judged a miserable failure in comparison to classmates.
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WHAAAAAAT!!!!???
 
riverman said:
Couple things about Frazier..it's great to have a pt guard who is fast and pass first...it's not great to have a short pt guard who can't shoot, defend and is a turnover machine. CJ is going to be our 2nd pt guard..Montero is going to be way better at defense than Frazier or Pressy
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"Is going to be" is a key concept in this discussion. It's not about today it's about the future. I'd keep Montero over both Pressy and Frazier.

Wait: Isn't this the Miller thread?
 
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