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BBert said:
I'd keep Montero over both Pressy and Frazier.
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I think there's only one person who wouldn't! (Well, maaaaaaybe Dame would take Frazier over Montero. So maybe two.)
 
It's like talking about Victor Claver and Allan Crabbe two years ago ...who wears the suit?
 
I think a conversation about the potential of our players, and which ones to keep, considering the circumstances of our rebuild, is quite rational.

I say, keep the guy with the upside, because neither of our two D-League scrub backup point guards are going to help us win shit. Not now, not in the future.
 
Paine Tablet said:
It's relevant to your use of "miserably" and "fialed" when describing Alexander's turn at Kansas.
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So what was the point you were trying to make? That he needs more time to be evaluated? Yeah I said to keep him around...
 
HCP said:
WHAAAAAAT!!!!???
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If you knew the backstory on Cliff Alexander you might've been able to deduce who and what I was talking about. I should've been clearer I suppose, but I did tie into who I was talking about by using Schilly's choice descriptors. I did give a hint, nonetheless.
 
And in case you are wondering... Cliff Alexander was a top 5 College recruit. DraftExpress had him going #2 over all from April through the end of July last summer, then he dropped to 5 through mid November, about the time College starts playing, End of November he was at 10. 15 by mid December then hovered around 17 till mid Feb and then dropped to 31 hovered a while then dropped to 41-45 till about draft time spiked up to 25 a couple days before the draft then went undrafted.

He played 28 games as a freshman at Kansas and in 17 mpg went for 7.1pts and 5.3rebs. Based on the Hype that was a bit of a failed season, comparable to the lack of production to Anthony Bennett in his rookie season.
 
Schilly said:
So what was the point you were trying to make? That he needs more time to be evaluated? Yeah I said to keep him around...
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I was trying to point out the flaw of stating that Alexander failed miserably. We would all fail miserably if we were deemed ineligible halfway through the season. I just think it's the wrong way to describe a situation when we are talking about performance, err, strictly performance. He was NOT a miserable failure when he DID play. Do you see what I am getting at?
 
jlprk said:
Don't get carried away. Montero, Frazier, Alexander, and Pressey were passed over 60 times in the draft. GMs didn't think much of the great potential you guys see in Alexander and Montero.

Meanwhile, Frazier and Pressey, though low potential, are polished and developed. It's Tank vs. Try To Win. Blazer4Ever is being reasonable, for trying to win.
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Why are we talking about Wesley Matthews?
 
Schilly said:
And in case you are wondering... Cliff Alexander was a top 5 College recruit. DraftExpress had him going #2 over all from April through the end of July last summer, then he dropped to 5 through mid November, about the time College starts playing, End of November he was at 10. 15 by mid December then hovered around 17 till mid Feb and then dropped to 31 hovered a while then dropped to 41-45 till about draft time spiked up to 25 a couple days before the draft then went undrafted.

He played 28 games as a freshman at Kansas and in 17 mpg went for 7.1pts and 5.3rebs. Based on the Hype that was a bit of a failed season, comparable to the lack of production to Anthony Bennett in his rookie season.
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Those are good numbers per minute. There were a lot of questions as to why Self chose to limit his minutes based on his superior performance. I've also known about Cliff Alexander since the summer of 2013 in case you didn't think I knew what we were talking about.
 
Paine Tablet said:
I was trying to point out the flaw of stating that Alexander failed miserably. We would all fail miserably if we were deemed ineligible halfway through the season. I just think it's the wrong way to describe a situation when we are talking about performance, err, strictly performance. He was NOT a miserable failure when he DID play. Do you see what I am getting at?
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I get what you are saying and I don't disagree in the least though he was a top 5 recruit and didn't put up top 5 recruit numbers, that was the point I was making.
 
Paine Tablet said:
If you knew the backstory on Cliff Alexander you might've been able to deduce who and what I was talking about.
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Schilly said:
And in case you are wondering... Cliff Alexander was a top 5 College recruit. DraftExpress had him going #2 over all from April through the end of July last summer, then he dropped to 5 through mid November, about the time College starts playing, End of November he was at 10. 15 by mid December then hovered around 17 till mid Feb and then dropped to 31 hovered a while then dropped to 41-45 till about draft time spiked up to 25 a couple days before the draft then went undrafted.

He played 28 games as a freshman at Kansas and in 17 mpg went for 7.1pts and 5.3rebs. Based on the Hype that was a bit of a failed season, comparable to the lack of production to Anthony Bennett in his rookie season.
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Paine Tablet said:
I was trying to point out the flaw of stating that Alexander failed miserably. We would all fail miserably if we were deemed ineligible halfway through the season. I just think it's the wrong way to describe a situation when we are talking about performance, err, strictly performance. He was NOT a miserable failure when he DID play. Do you see what I am getting at?
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Yes...that all 30 GMs lacked the draft information that this board's posters read in articles long ago.

If Montero and Alexander become good players, they'll each be on their 3rd or 4th NBA team, after efforts from many assistant coaches. The first team is the sucker team.
 
jlprk said:
Yes...that all 30 GMs lacked the draft information that this board's posters read in articles long ago.

If Montero and Alexander become good players, they'll each be on their 3rd or 4th NBA team, after efforts from many assistant coaches. The first team is the sucker team.
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So that brings it back to my initial post on this thread.... We aren't good enough this year for that to matter.... In fact while preserving the T word, I would say it's not our priority to have our 14th and 1th guys on the roster helping us win games.... For that matter in what case is a 14th or 15th guy actually affect a team overall? At least these guys could have a 2 year window to move up to 11 or 12.
 
It has become shockingly absurd how protective some people have become of the 13th, 14, and 15th spots on our roster.


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Natebishop3 said:
It has become shockingly absurd how protective some people have become of the 13th, 14, and 15th spots on our roster.


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For all we know, the 13th, 14th, and 15th spots may turn out to be our starters for the next 5 years.

barfo
 
Nice point NateDogg....... this time of year people always do sweat who the last 2 or 3 guys players are going to be and it rarely if ever comes into play. Even on our depleted roster this season I don't think it will factor whatsoever.
 
Blazer4ever said:
Frazier is a rotation player in my book, even an important one. I see him as our 1st pg of the bench and playing alongside Damian with Dame at the 2. I think he could be our 3rd guard behind Dame and CJ and I think he is an undiscovered gem.
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I think this is dreaming!! Rotation player? Steady minutes? But, can't shoot a lick??? Oh my! I have to disagree.
 
This year is about OBTAINING and DEVELOPING players for the future. Our goals are: Player Development, Draft Position, and Trades for better players.

Now, does anyone know or have heard how much the buyout for Miller amounts to????
 
Harry's Raincoat said:
This year is about OBTAINING and DEVELOPING players for the future. Our goals are: Player Development, Draft Position, and Trades for better players.

Now, does anyone know or have heard how much the buyout for Miller amounts to????
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Short answer: no

Long answer: does it really matter?


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Natebishop3 said:
It has become shockingly absurd how protective some people have become of the 13th, 14, and 15th spots on our roster.
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Frazier/Pressey is on the 3rd team (11th to 15th player) only 1) if McCollum is a reliable high-quality PG, and 2) if McCollum is so untired from his (starting?) SG minutes that he can play full 2nd-team minutes at PG.

If either condition proves false, the Frazier/Pressey spot is suspended somewhere between 2nd-team and 3rd-team in importance.

dviss1 said:
Was Utah the sucker team for Wesley?
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Yes. Sloan did all the work and got nothing. We received a starter from Sloan's discovery and development work.
 
This dude could only get a contract from Denver, a team that is probably going to be just as bad as we are. He must be done.
 
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