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Re: Minnesota: full of shit?

Nikolokolus said:
Same here ... it's the number that makes me queasy -- he's almost certainly never going to live up to it.
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in what way? because statistically he is already living up to it
 
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3RA1N1AC said:
no way, he would have to give up his bird rights, which in essence lops 20 million or so dollars off his contract, aka, any team acquiring him would be for a PURE rental, hence, crap offers in the first place
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I don't understand, why would his Bird rights be a concern if he does not plan on staying with Portland? A sign and trade next July? That works OK for the Blazers too.
 
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Even if Nic signs the QO, Minny is unlikely to have the cap space next year to sign him to a 12 Mil contract. Besides, can't we just trade him at the deadline to NO or somebody?
 
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Wizard Mentor said:
Even if Nic signs the QO, Minny is unlikely to have the cap space next year to sign him to a 12 Mil contract.?
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Yep. If Minny can't get us to trade them Batum, they aren't going to do nothing and risk making Kevin Love agitated with inactivity. They will turn their attention elsewhere and tie up their cap space with other players.
 
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Pinwheel1 said:
I don't understand, why would his Bird rights be a concern if he does not plan on staying with Portland? A sign and trade next July? That works OK for the Blazers too.
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the offer would be crap

he wouldnt agree anyways, think of it like the ben gordon situation a few years back
 
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basically, and not trying to be fatalist here, if he signs the QO, we arent going to trade him
 
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3RA1N1AC said:
basically, and not trying to be fatalist here, if he signs the QO, we arent going to trade him
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even if he takes the QO, and doesn't get traded (which is a worst case scenario for pdx and for Batum),
1) it's likely he doesn't get an $11 mil/year offer sheet (Kahn is just F-ing with us this year, won't have $ next year)
2) all his agent really cares about is $, and I think Portland can offer a longer contract - point is his agent will want him to re-sign with us.
 
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Wizard Mentor said:
even if he takes the QO, and doesn't get traded (which is a worst case scenario for pdx and for Batum),
1) it's likely he doesn't get an $11 mil/year offer sheet (Kahn is just F-ing with us this year, won't have $ next year)
2) all his agent really cares about is $, and I think Portland can offer a longer contract - point is his agent will want him to re-sign with us.
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i think it bodes well if he is unrestricted, unless the blood is really as bad as it is being made out to be
 
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3RA1N1AC said:
the offer would be crap

he wouldnt agree anyways, think of it like the ben gordon situation a few years back
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As opposed to what? The crap Minnesota might offer us today? I am also looking at the QO as the worst case scenario for everyone. Not a great scenario but that does not mean we may not get anything in return. There would still be a lot of variables throughout the season that could play in to it. But as we all have mentioned it is in no one's best interest for it to come down to this.

Derrick.......
Williams......
 
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the chances are much greater we would receive a better offer in a sign and trade NEXT offseason than they are of batum waiving his bird rights and then us trading him as a rental somewhere if he signs the QO
 
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3RA1N1AC said:
right here
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WoW puts Nic's value at $11.18 mil/year but even that would be a steal because Nate artificially lowered Batum's minutes, and that value is at current minutes played.

I wish Nic didn't hate Portland because I'd feel good matching up to $12mil.
 
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BlazerCaravan said:
WoW puts Nic's value at $11.18 mil/year but even that would be a steal because Nate artificially lowered Batum's minutes, and that value is at current minutes played.

I wish Nic didn't hate Portland because I'd feel good matching up to $12mil.
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plus you are going to pay a premium to lock up someone for their "prime" years
 
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I just don't see it. At 11.5 or 12 million he's damn near a max player and Nic hasn't played anywhere near max level. Stats don't mean shit if they don't translate into wins. We are at a very pivotal point and handing a near-max deal to a role player is the kind of move that can cripple the team for years. I don't think it's a good decision. It would have been one thing if we had signed Hibbert and were already over the cap regardless, but right now we have a bunch of rookies coming in and Aldridge is our only established star. Giving Batum that much money is not a good decision.
 
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BlazerCaravan said:
WoW puts Nic's value at $11.18 mil/year but even that would be a steal because Nate artificially lowered Batum's minutes, and that value is at current minutes played.

I wish Nic didn't hate Portland because I'd feel good matching up to $12mil.
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I seem to be in the minority, but I also believe he is worth up to $12 mill. If Minny offers anything up to that, I think there is a 100% chance Olshey/Allen match. Which would mean Minny wouldn't get him, period. Minny is going to have to pony up Williams and a draft pick, or fuggetaboutit.

It seems like Batum's agent really boxed himself into a corner by only considering one team other than the Blazers. Also, I don't know how much if his public vitriol is real but I suspect that's just how he thinks he's supposed to negotiate. Dumb.

Anybody know the terms of Darko's remaining contract? Is it more than one year? At the right price (i.e. after amnesty) he might be a good choice to not hinder Leonards development. ;)
 
Good job Minnesota.

Jerry Zgoda

" Why there might never be Batum offer sheet if no S-T: Don't burn Martell, Miller, Darko moves in case you need them for move like Iggy"
 
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that is the crux of the issue

yes he is worth 11 million per but, is it a good decision to spend that on him?

like a poor family, yes steak is worth what it costs, but is it a better decision to buy a case of tap ramen instead?
 
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I don't know Jerry Zgoda, but the mutual circle-jerk he's having with Jaynes about how POR fans are idiots that they have to straighten out is pissing me off. Especially when I've been one that's had to straighten Jaynes out.
 
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Natebishop3 said:
At 11.5 or 12 million he's damn near a max player
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griffin just signed for 5/95, kobe is making 26 million this year etc, etc

the MAX deal isnt what it used to be i guess
 
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BBert said:
I seem to be in the minority, but I also believe he is worth up to $12 mill. If Minny offers anything up to that, I think there is a 100% chance Olshey/Allen match. Which would mean Minny wouldn't get him, period. Minny is going to have to pony up Williams and a draft pick, or fuggetaboutit.

It seems like Batum's agent really boxed himself into a corner by only considering one team other than the Blazers. Also, I don't know how much if his public vitriol is real but I suspect that's just how he thinks he's supposed to negotiate. Dumb.

Anybody know the terms of Darko's remaining contract? Is it more than one year? At the right price (i.e. after amnesty) he might be a good choice to not hinder Leonards development. ;)
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his agent IMO has made an ass out of himself and IMO put Nic in a weaker position
 
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griffin signed for Derrick Rose max, K*be's grandfathered in from 2 CBA's ago because he's been 'extending' his contract each time, and the max for a player 6yrs or fewer in the league starts at 13.6M.
 
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Minne can't lose, in some respects. Even if we end up keeping Batum, they know they've tainted our #2 player and making him an unhappy camper. They don't really have the ability to acquire him without giving up something solid, or by suckering another team to enter this equation. So they teased him, and now he's upset with us.

In the end.... all they'll say is that we wouldn't work with them to make it happen.
 
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BLAZINGGIANTS said:
Minne can't lose, in some respects. Even if we end up keeping Batum, they know they've tainted our #2 player and making him an unhappy camper. They don't really have the ability to acquire him without giving up something solid, or by suckering another team to enter this equation. So they teased him, and now he's upset with us.

In the end.... all they'll say is that we wouldn't work with them to make it happen.
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I disagree on the "tainted" stuff. If Nic's get a solid offer from POR he will IMO eventually be happy. Nate is gone, bunch of new players comin in and likely a coach that will utulize his and others talents better,.
 
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ironcrotch said:
Good job Minnesota.

Jerry Zgoda

" Why there might never be Batum offer sheet if no S-T: Don't burn Martell, Miller, Darko moves in case you need them for move like Iggy"
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Zgoda is a tool. Why wouldnt philly like immediate cap relief and derrick williams? They wouldnt have to eat the guaranteed portions of miller or martell and dont need darko. They have hawes and vucevic.
 
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3RA1N1AC said:
griffin just signed for 5/95, kobe is making 26 million this year etc, etc

the MAX deal isnt what it used to be i guess
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BrianFromWA said:
griffin signed for Derrick Rose max, K*be's grandfathered in from 2 CBA's ago because he's been 'extending' his contract each time, and the max for a player 6yrs or fewer in the league starts at 13.6M.
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Exactly, I was under the impression that the max a 4 year player could sign for was like 14.5 per year or something like that.
 
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They're going after Korver now, does this seal the deal that they are full of shit and not going to offer Batum anything.

@ajchawks: Source says #Hawks had interest in #Bulls F Kyle Korver but he's likely headed to Minnesota in trade
 
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Minny's hosed. And they won't make an offer as it would be stupid. Olshey would match and they know it. Batum will be coming back to PDX at a more affordable rate. And don't tell me he could sign the QO. There is no way that would happen.
 
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BLAZINGGIANTS said:
Minne can't lose, in some respects. Even if we end up keeping Batum, they know they've tainted our #2 player and making him an unhappy camper. They don't really have the ability to acquire him without giving up something solid, or by suckering another team to enter this equation. So they teased him, and now he's upset with us.

In the end.... all they'll say is that we wouldn't work with them to make it happen.
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Minny also has Love and his ego and unrest at not being in the playoffs to deal with. If things don't work out very well for them this coming yr and next it could all blow up in their face
 
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