Minnesota man killed in car during traffic violation for busted tail light.

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Philando Castile, 32 was the man shot.



Curious, just mildly curious to see what excuses some will come up with for this one.
 
I don't know, maybe try and help the guy? If someone I cared about was bleeding to death after being shot, I can say without hesitation, that pulling out my fucking cell phone to video tape it would not be in my first million things to do
 
Mediocre Man said:
I don't know, maybe try and help the guy? If someone I cared about was bleeding to death after being shot, I can say without hesitation, that pulling out my fucking cell phone to video tape it would not be in my first million things to do
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If the officer has a gun trained on her and is requiring her to remain in her seat and keep her hands visible, I imagine she didn't really have the option to try to help.
 
This one is pretty fucked up, even the cop realizes he fucked up immediately.
 
There's something off about the girl in the video.

Yesterday the guy was reaching for his ID when he was shot. Now the story is they had their hands in the air.

I'm also questioning if he really had a CCW. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'd think we'd have verification of this by now, it should be easy to look up.
 
I've also heard from one news report this morning that he was reaching for his CHL
 
You really can't trust any of the news these days. Gotta dig into the nether regions of the interwebs.
 
Statement from Saint Paul Public Schools about Philando Castile
Saint Paul Public Schools and its staff grieve the tragic death of a former student and current employee, Philando Castile.

He graduated from Central High School in 2001 and had worked for Saint Paul Public Schools (SPPS) since he was 19 years old, beginning in 2002, in the Nutrition Services Department.

Mr. Castile was promoted to a supervisory position two years ago and was currently working in one of our schools during the summer term.

Colleagues describe him as a team player who maintained great relationships with staff and students alike. He had a cheerful disposition and his colleagues enjoyed working with him. He was quick to greet former coworkers with a smile and hug.

One coworker said, “Kids loved him. He was smart, over-qualified. He was quiet, respectful, and kind. I knew him as warm and funny; he called me his 'wing man.' He wore a shirt and tie to his supervisor interview and said his goal was to one day 'sit on the other side of this table.’”

Those who worked with him daily said he will be greatly missed.

"I am deeply sorry for his family and for their loss. He's worked in SPPS for many years and he graduated from our district, so he was one of our own," said SPPS Superintendent Valeria Silva.

Grief counselors will be available for staff and students as needed or requested.

The Saint Paul Public Schools family extends its deepest sympathy to Mr. Castile's family and loved ones.

http://www.spps.org/site/default.as...9ED6C2A&RenderLoc=0&FlexDataID=42665&PageID=1
 
The deadly shooting of 32-year-old Philando Castile by a cop during a routine traffic stop in Minnesota on Wednesday just got murkier.

Multiple sources have told The Register that police removed video footage of Castile's death from Facebook, potentially tampering with evidence.

Castile, his girlfriend Diamond Reynolds, and her four-year-old daughter were pulled over by police in the Falcon Heights suburb of Minneapolis for a broken tail light. Using her cellphone and Facebook Live, Reynolds web-streamed footage of her dying boyfriend after he was shot by a police officer as he reached for his ID in his wallet. The video was mysteriously removed from her Facebook profile as it went viral across the internet.

On Thursday, Facebook said a “technical glitch" caused the recording to be pulled from its social network. However, Reynolds claimed officers seized her phone and took over her Facebook account to delete the evidence.

Multiple sources with knowledge of the event have tonight confirmed to The Register that someone – highly suspected to be the city's police – used her phone to remove her recording from public view shortly after the shooting.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/07/08/castile_shooting_police_deletion/
 
SlyPokerDog said:
The deadly shooting of 32-year-old Philando Castile by a cop during a routine traffic stop in Minnesota on Wednesday just got murkier.

Multiple sources have told The Register that police removed video footage of Castile's death from Facebook, potentially tampering with evidence.

Castile, his girlfriend Diamond Reynolds, and her four-year-old daughter were pulled over by police in the Falcon Heights suburb of Minneapolis for a broken tail light. Using her cellphone and Facebook Live, Reynolds web-streamed footage of her dying boyfriend after he was shot by a police officer as he reached for his ID in his wallet. The video was mysteriously removed from her Facebook profile as it went viral across the internet.

On Thursday, Facebook said a “technical glitch" caused the recording to be pulled from its social network. However, Reynolds claimed officers seized her phone and took over her Facebook account to delete the evidence.

Multiple sources with knowledge of the event have tonight confirmed to The Register that someone – highly suspected to be the city's police – used her phone to remove her recording from public view shortly after the shooting.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/07/08/castile_shooting_police_deletion/
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That's some corrupt shit
 
SlyPokerDog said:
The deadly shooting of 32-year-old Philando Castile by a cop during a routine traffic stop in Minnesota on Wednesday just got murkier.

Multiple sources have told The Register that police removed video footage of Castile's death from Facebook, potentially tampering with evidence.

Castile, his girlfriend Diamond Reynolds, and her four-year-old daughter were pulled over by police in the Falcon Heights suburb of Minneapolis for a broken tail light. Using her cellphone and Facebook Live, Reynolds web-streamed footage of her dying boyfriend after he was shot by a police officer as he reached for his ID in his wallet. The video was mysteriously removed from her Facebook profile as it went viral across the internet.

On Thursday, Facebook said a “technical glitch" caused the recording to be pulled from its social network. However, Reynolds claimed officers seized her phone and took over her Facebook account to delete the evidence.

Multiple sources with knowledge of the event have tonight confirmed to The Register that someone – highly suspected to be the city's police – used her phone to remove her recording from public view shortly after the shooting.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/07/08/castile_shooting_police_deletion/
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I don't see what the purpose of that would be. The video went viral and is in the possession of every major news organization in the country. That said, unless there's some clear evidence that the guy was reaching for a gun, that cop is going to be toast. Deservedly so.
 
e_blazer said:
I don't see what the purpose of that would be. The video went viral and is in the possession of every major news organization in the country. That said, unless there's some clear evidence that the guy was reaching for a gun, that cop is going to be toast. Deservedly so.
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"potentially tampering with evidence."

Would it be clearer to you why this is a problem if instead of trying to delete her evidence they tried to delete their bodycam's footage? Yes I know this department doesn't have them, but the example should be helpful for you.

The bodycam streams to a server somewhere I assume, so the evidence is going to be saved just like in the case of a stream going to facebook, but if an attempt is made to delete evidence it doesn't matter if the plan was thwarted. The intention is clear. In the heat of the situation where the cops are trying to CYA (cover your ass) they may not think it through that it would be already free on the net and thus unable to truly be deleted.

We don't have all details, a timeline, proof or anything, so I am only basing my comment on what is suggested to have happened.
 
I honestly hope this guy goes down, and all those who helped pull that video down temporarily.

Same with those cops in Cali that are in that sex scandal bullshit.
 
blue32 said:
Dude, I couldn't even read it all. It was that disgusting. I mean WTF.
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Funny you say that. I was so disgusted I couldn't finish it either. I read all I needed to once I got to the point where it was mentioned how many different officers she was "familiar" with. We all know that not all or even most officers are like those accused in this case, but jeez... I want to be able to respect the police and if you hear certain things enough times it gets harder and harder to keep a positive feeling. A bad apple here and there is to be expected in every profession, but man alive I hope some of the accusations are false.
 
This was on a friend's facebook post. Multiple caveats:
1. I don't read the Conservative Treehouse, so there very well could be some bias. I just hadn't seen some of the points made in here elsewhere.
2. I've not followed much on these shootings b/c of other things going on this week around the world, but I saw DL Hughley's interview and some of the CNN coverage of Dallas.
3. In no way should a guy's actions in the past dictate Rules of Engagement on Deadly Force. Either you're defending yourself from imminent death or serious bodily harm or you're not. If not, it doesn't matter if he's a serial-raping axe murderer, you don't get to kill him.
4. I don't care how much a family has raised after their loved one has been killed. I care about the killing and the events leading to it.

Those said:
1. There seems to be a huge difference (IF TRUE) in pulling over a BOLO suspect in an armed robbery and "pulling over b/c of a busted taillight," and a concomitant increase in threat. One probably doesn't expect a traffic stop to escalate into violence, whereas trying to apprehend an armed robbery suspect (of any race) has a lot more risk associated.
2. There seem to be multiple inconsistencies with both the video feeds and the "testimony". Has there been dash-cam footage or dispatch tapes or officer testimony released on this case, or are we just hearing one side (from the cell phone video)?
3. My situational anecdotes on stuff like this are military, not police, but if an armed robbery suspect has a gun partially concealed on his thigh, and the policemen thinks he's reaching for it, doesn't that change the narrative on this a bit? Especially if it's a potential apprehension for an armed robbery, not a taillight?

Regardless, it's horrible that people are being killed when it should be an apprehension. It sucks that other police officers in 4 other cases in the last couple of days have been targeted due in part to the thought the black men are being discriminately targeted.
 
This doesn't make any sense. If he had wanted to shoot the officer, why would he tell him he had a gun? The sad thing is, he wasn't even required to volunteer that information, so he should have just pulled out his wallet. He probably thought he was doing the officer a courtesy by volunteering that info. But I suppose this should teach people to never volunteer it.

Was the guy actually keeping his gun in his pocket? Did he pull out the gun? I don't imagine he'd have been keeping a gun in his pocket. I mean get real...a cops do need to protect themselves, but they need to have situation awareness. If they have their gun drawn on someone who they know is armed, and that person reaches into their waiste belt or whatever despite commands to not, they are probably justified in shooting. But pulling over a guy who is reaching into his wallet to show a license?
 
I have no idea what happened. I avoid cops like the plague. When I get pulled over, one hand on steering wheel one on door. No movement unless told to.

Having been given a few well deserved tickets and one complete bullshit quota filler on the last night of the month, I don't much care for them. My wife's real dad is a wife beating, coke snorting Thom Petersen haircut sporting pig.

Body cams that are always on (EVEN in the bathroom) should be a requirement.
 
When I go to the airport they can see my junk on the scanner so I done think a bodycam being on is so rough.
 
Philando Castile Had Been Stopped 52 Times By Police

MINNEAPOLIS (AP) — When Philando Castile saw the flashing lights in his rearview mirror, it wasn’t unusual. He had been pulled over at least 52 times in recent years in and around the Twin Cities and given citations for minor offenses including speeding, driving without a muffler and not wearing a seat belt.


He was assessed at least $6,588 in fines and fees, although more than half of the total 86 violations were dismissed, court records show.


Was Castile an especially bad driver or just unlucky? Or was he targeted by officers who single out black motorists like him for such stops, as several of his family members have alleged?

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Many charges were dismissed, but Castile pleaded guilty to some, mostly for driving after his license was revoked and driving with no proof of insurance. However, those two charges also were the most frequently dismissed, along with failing to wear a seat belt.

The records show no convictions for more serious crimes.

No recent information is available on the racial breakdown of drivers stopped or ticketed by police in Falcon Heights, the mostly white suburb where the shooting occurred, or in other Minnesota towns. Minnesota is not among the handful of states that require police to keep such data.

But in 2001, the Legislature asked for a racial profiling study and it fell to Kearney, then at the Institute on Race & Poverty at the University of Minnesota Law School, to conduct it. His study, using information supplied voluntarily by 65 law enforcement jurisdictions in the state, found a strong likelihood that racial and ethnic bias played a role in traffic stop policies and practices. Overall, officers stopped minority drivers at greater rates than whites and searched them at greater rates, but found contraband in those searches at lower rates than whites.

The analysis found the pattern was more pronounced in suburban areas. In Fridley, New Hope, Plymouth, Sauk Rapids and Savage combined, blacks were stopped about 310 percent more often than expected.

http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2016/07/09/philando-stops/

 
bodyman5000 and 1 said:
I have no idea what happened. I avoid cops like the plague. When I get pulled over, one hand on steering wheel one on door. No movement unless told to.

Having been given a few well deserved tickets and one complete bullshit quota filler on the last night of the month, I don't much care for them. My wife's real dad is a wife beating, coke snorting Thom Petersen haircut sporting pig.

Body cams that are always on (EVEN in the bathroom) should be a requirement.
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I do it pretty much the same, got stopped for a bum taillight/turn signal last month. Both hands on the wheel, no movement and I don't speak except to respond. When I do move I tell them what I am going to do before I do it. I can tell my appearance affects the demeanor of the police. When I am working on the boat, dirty, ugly, grouchy looking., more fear. Not a time to move quickly.

Ha! It is an entirely different deal when I get in court though. If I can, I will make the cop sorry as possible that they brought me to the event. But don't try that when your stopped.
I got ticketed for no seat belt and no insurance, maybe three years ago. Had to go to court too, by state law. I had insurance, but no glasses so I could not read the documents in the truck's jock box, and the Cop would not help. I fixed the ass in court though.

Part of the problems we have these days is the cops working to satisfy Federal Government enforcement agenda items where the police departments are paid based upon enforcement stops.
 
Mediocre Man said:
I don't know, maybe try and help the guy? If someone I cared about was bleeding to death after being shot, I can say without hesitation, that pulling out my fucking cell phone to video tape it would not be in my first million things to do
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There is something off about the woman in the video....she seems very calm for having her boyfriend next to her covered in blood, just having been shot four times. She had time to open a Facebook live feed...how long does that take...as her boyfriend just got shot for trying to pull out his permit. she is also oddly detached from her daughter...the first thing a mother would do would be to check on her kid...also most people would be freaking out and or screaming...
 
Did anyone ever figure out what the objective is, of a demonstration in Dallas, about a guy dead by cop in Minnesota? No one in Texas has any control over police hiring, policy or tactics in Minnesota. No funding for the police in Minnesota is provided by anything or any person in Dallas
So why does BLM hold a demonstration in Dallas over shit that went down in another state? I probably am not going to like the answer but if it is more than just ignorance, I would like to know. I can't think of a thing, except it was to stir up trouble where no trouble began. But why? No doubt the shooter knew and used the event to accomplish his goal. But why was it staged? For the Shooter?
 
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