Minnesota man killed in car during traffic violation for busted tail light.

[bodyman5000 and 1]

But here is the deal, all insurance companies upload current insurance information to the DMV. When the cops run the plate they instantly know if the registration on the vehicle is current, valid, and whose name it's in. They also know if the vehicle has insurance. In Oregon it's the vehicle that must be insured, not the driver. If you lend your truck to a neighbor and he gets pulled over he has to show proof that the truck is insured, not that he is insured to drive your truck. Anyway, the police already know if the car has valid registration and insurance when they run the plate. Not having paper to support that is BS. The officer knew your vehicle was insured in your name once they ran the plate and saw your drivers license. Yet they still wrote you a ticket.

Here in Portland the police have automatic plate readers, they are immediately notified if your car doesn't have a valid registration or insurance. They don't need pieces of paper.

In other words this traffic stop you're so proud of resulted in the officer issuing you a ticket that while was technically correct was complete BS. You were given a ticket for not having proof of insurance, not for not having insurance. She knew you had insurance when she issued the ticket.

This, in Vegas they'll fuck you so fast even though they know you have insurance.

 

[e_blazer]

I found this interesting, it's just not the numbers but if you scroll down it gives a synopsis of each shooting.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/police-shootings/

Looks to me like interacting with the police while crazy has a high probability of ending badly.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

But here is the deal, all insurance companies upload current insurance information to the DMV. When the cops run the plate they instantly know if the registration on the vehicle is current, valid, and whose name it's in. They also know if the vehicle has insurance. In Oregon it's the vehicle that must be insured, not the driver. If you lend your truck to a neighbor and he gets pulled over he has to show proof that the truck is insured, not that he is insured to drive your truck. Anyway, the police already know if the car has valid registration and insurance when they run the plate. Not having paper to support that is BS. The officer knew your vehicle was insured in your name once they ran the plate and saw your drivers license. Yet they still wrote you a ticket.

Here in Portland the police have automatic plate readers, they are immediately notified if your car doesn't have a valid registration or insurance. They don't need pieces of paper.

In other words this traffic stop you're so proud of resulted in the officer issuing you a ticket that while was technically correct was complete BS. You were given a ticket for not having proof of insurance, not for not having insurance. She knew you had insurance when she issued the ticket.

Since Marazul is ignoring this here is a little story of something very nice I witnessed a police officer do last year.

I live near a neighborhood intersection that the street going north/south have stop signs and the street going east/west doesn't have any stop signs. One night I hear a loud crash. A car going north ran the stop sign and a car going east t-boned it. The car that got t-boned was fucked up. The driver hurt, the car crushed. The lady that hit the car was shaken up but not hurt. Anyway, I ran out there, called 911, helped the lady out of the car and left the person who was inured unmoved in the car until police and fire got there.

Both cars towed, injured driver was cut from the car and taken to the hospital by ambulance, uninjured lady sitting on my lawn talking to police and waiting for her husband to arrive to take her home. In speaking with the officer the lady realized that she didn't have the insurance information of the person she hit (remember, the accident wasn't her fault, he ran the stop sign) anyway, the officer went to his car, entered the license plate number of the car who was at fault and was able to print out the insurance info on a piece of thermal paper and gave it to the lady so she could file an accident claim with her insurance company. The officer did this from the information on his computer, not from the insurance information in the car because the car was too crushed to remove it from.

Anyway Marazul, you are a law abiding tax paying citizen. Couldn't the officer in your case just have easily printed out proof of insurance for you, handed it to you since you couldn't find your copy, given you a warning about the tail light and sent you on your way?

Instead the officer wrote you two tickets, one was pretty much BS. You were able to go to court but many people can't take the time off of work and just mail in the fine or if they can't pay and ignore it. The police are writing tickets to fill quotas and coffers. In other communities the police are spending more time writing petty tickets then they are solving and preventing crimes. That's bad policing, you were a victim of it and didn't even know it.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

I don't see it as being subservient, it is what I do, pretty much what Bodymans says he does. As I recall Bodyman is a very big dude, I am old nasty looking and about 240 pounds, I don't like to put cops on high alert is why I do it. I know as the years have slipped by, the cops have been more and more afraid when they make their stops. I see my appearance has them all little more on edge as I aged. I see them being more leery of me when I am in my crust pickup truck rather than the Suburban.

Yes I have been stopped enough to see these things change over the years as more a more cops die each year. They are getting better but you don't want to frighten a cop. We best assume the position, even sons of former slaves and forget about subservience, just shut the fuck up and assume the position and live.

ps

Oh if your packing, for shit sake, don't tell the cop your are packing if your stopped for a taillight!
Save that for just before the pat down with hands way up.

I'm not afraid of them one on one no weapons. The Henderson police are generally big white guys on roids. Either way, a good old fight wouldn't kill anyone. The thing is, they have guns.

There is a video of a female Vegas cop shooting a guy face down on the ground here years ago. It was accidental, I don't want to risk the accident.

A Mexican kid I worked with drove a big blacked out Nissan Titan pickup with no front bumper. I asked him how often he got pulled over in it. His answer was all the time.

I said "duh dummy"

It is his right to drive a weird looking piece of junk that stands out among normal cars, just don't be surprised when it attracts cops. I'm making the same argument here as libs do when some yahoo makes racist facebook posts and gets fired from his job. It's your right, but that doesn't mean nobody will fuck with you.

 

[MarAzul]

But here is the deal, all insurance companies upload current insurance information to the DMV. When the cops run the plate they instantly know if the registration on the vehicle is current, valid, and whose name it's in. They also know if the vehicle has insurance. In Oregon it's the vehicle that must be insured, not the driver. If you lend your truck to a neighbor and he gets pulled over he has to show proof that the truck is insured, not that he is insured to drive your truck. Anyway, the police already know if the car has valid registration and insurance when they run the plate. Not having paper to support that is BS. The officer knew your vehicle was insured in your name once they ran the plate and saw your drivers license. Yet they still wrote you a ticket.

Here in Portland the police have automatic plate readers, they are immediately notified if your car doesn't have a valid registration or insurance. They don't need pieces of paper.

In other words this traffic stop you're so proud of resulted in the officer issuing you a ticket that while was technically correct was complete BS. You were given a ticket for not having proof of insurance, not for not having insurance. She knew you had insurance when she issued the ticket.

In the stop I am speaking of, I don't think this is the way it went. She stopped me for not having the seat belt on. When she got to the truck she was surprise to find I had the thing on. She asked if I had just put it on. I sort of looked at her like she was daft, but I don't hear well and was quite sure what she asked. Then she went for the insurance shit. Then she went back to her car and fucked around for 20 minutes trying to get her computer stuff down. She was a grossly incompetent rookie. She folded in court, the judge asked me if she dismissed the case would that be enough? Maybe the judge thought I was too loud, I some time get it up because I don't hear well, the result of close encounter underwater with a 155 round.


Now Sly, I want you to answer straight out the normal side of your mouth. What's up with this snark you bring? Proud?

 

[MarAzul]

I'm not afraid of them one on one no weapons. The Henderson police are generally big white guys on roids. Either way, a good old fight wouldn't kill anyone. The thing is, they have guns.

There is a video of a female Vegas cop shooting a guy face down on the ground here years ago. It was accidental, I don't want to risk the accident.

A Mexican kid I worked with drove a big blacked out Nissan Titan pickup with no front bumper. I asked him how often he got pulled over in it. His answer was all the time.

I said "duh dummy"

It is his right to drive a weird looking piece of junk that stands out among normal cars, just don't be surprised when it attracts cops. I'm making the same argument here as libs do when some yahoo makes racist facebook posts and gets fired from his job. It's your right, but that doesn't mean nobody will fuck with you.

I hear you sir, loud and clear. Spot on to.

 

[MarAzul]

That's bad policing, you were a victim of it and didn't even know it

The policing was bad, see my other post. but there is bad law here too. You can no longer prove you have insurance later, like take it to the Sheriffs office.
You must go to court to prove you have the insurance, if you have insurance.

 

[MarAzul]

Looks to me like interacting with the police while crazy has a high probability of ending badly.

even not so crazy.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

In the stop I am speaking of, I don't think this is the way it went. She stopped me for not having the seat belt on. When she got to the truck she was surprise to find I had the thing on. She asked if I had just put it on. I sort of looked at her like she was daft, but I don't hear well and was quite sure what she asked. Then she went for the insurance shit. Then she went back to her car and fucked around for 20 minutes trying to get her computer stuff down. She was a grossly incompetent rookie. She folded in court, the judge asked me if she dismissed the case would that be enough? Maybe the judge thought I was too loud, I some time get it up because I don't hear well, the result of close encounter underwater with a 155 round.


Now Sly, I want you to answer straight out the normal side of your mouth. What's up with this snark you bring? Proud?

Your posts are filled with lots of snark too my friend. You used this stop as an example of how to act. No where in your original account did you say the officer was "Grossly Incompetent."

BLM is asking for more accountability for police and better training. You disagree with this yet an officer pulled you over for no seat belt when you were wearing one and again, according to you was "grossly incompetent." Wouldn't more accountability and better training help with this?

The whole no seat belt thing seems pretty subjective to me. Police can pull over anyone at anytime for thinking someone doesn't have a seat belt on. Again, is that good policing or is that filling quotas and coffers? Do you really think she decided to focus on that on her own or did she learn that from training with other officers?

Now suppose you were pulled over for no seat belt 3, 4 or 5 times a year? Every time you were pulled over you were ticketed? Sure, you might get them dismissed but that's harassment. The man this thread was about was pulled over 52 times. Half were dismissed in court. No felonies. So the police in that community only got it right half the time at best and with all of that effort really did nothing to make the community safer. If this man before he was killed had complained do you honestly think anything would have changed? We're white, we don't really have to go through this but black people say they are and there are statistics that back that up.

 

[MarAzul]

training help with this?

>>> I doubt it. see below.

Wouldn't more accountability and better training help with this?

>>> Not the problem.

The whole no seat belt thing seems pretty subjective to me. Police can pull over anyone at anytime for thinking someone doesn't have a seat belt on. Again, is that good policing or is that filling quotas and coffers? Do you really think she decided to focus on that on her own or did she learn that from training with other officers?

>>> Spot on Sly. The seat belt thing is a funding from the Federal Goverment to make seat belt enforcement a priority. The Sheriff has them out on Seat Belt stake out. The Sheriff gets money for stops.

" Wouldn't more accountability and better training help with this?

No the Feds push for this. Perhaps it doesn't quite work as there would have it but...

The whole no seat belt thing seems pretty subjective to me. Police can pull over anyone at anytime for thinking someone doesn't have a seat belt on. Again, is that good policing or is that filling quotas and coffers? Do you really think she decided to focus on that on her own or did she learn that from training with other officers?

>>> From the Feds

Now suppose you were pulled over for no seat belt 3, 4 or 5 times a year? Every time you were pulled over you were ticketed? Sure, you might get them dismissed but that's harassment. The man this thread was about was pulled over 52 times. Half were dismissed in court. No felonies. So the police in that community only got it right half the time at best and with all of that effort really did nothing to make the community safer. If this man before he was killed had complained do you honestly think anything would have changed? We're white, we don't really have to go through this but black people say they are and there are statistics that back that up.

I have been pulled over Three times the past 4 years I think. Ticketed once, won in court.
I do sort of blame my local sheriff for going for the Federal money. But I don't want the BLM fucking up the cities of America over this sort of silly shit. Cops are dying as a result of these protests. I guess the difference here is there are no Black people to pull over, he's the Sheriff. Just us old white guys with dirty pickup trucks.

 

[MarAzul]

No where in your original account did you say the officer was "Grossly Incompetent."

It wasn't the point was it? You do know the point, right? Read Bodyman's post above.
But on the other hand, when we are stopped, maybe we should act like it is and incompetent cop every time and humor the dude as much as possible.
It probably will work out better.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Your posts are filled with lots of snark too my friend. You used this stop as an example of how to act. No where in your original account did you say the officer was "Grossly Incompetent."

BLM is asking for more accountability for police and better training. You disagree with this yet an officer pulled you over for no seat belt when you were wearing one and again, according to you was "grossly incompetent." Wouldn't more accountability and better training help with this?

The whole no seat belt thing seems pretty subjective to me. Police can pull over anyone at anytime for thinking someone doesn't have a seat belt on. Again, is that good policing or is that filling quotas and coffers? Do you really think she decided to focus on that on her own or did she learn that from training with other officers?

Now suppose you were pulled over for no seat belt 3, 4 or 5 times a year? Every time you were pulled over you were ticketed? Sure, you might get them dismissed but that's harassment. The man this thread was about was pulled over 52 times. Half were dismissed in court. No felonies. So the police in that community only got it right half the time at best and with all of that effort really did nothing to make the community safer. If this man before he was killed had complained do you honestly think anything would have changed? We're white, we don't really have to go through this but black people say they are and there are statistics that back that up.

I read that 52 times thing. There has to be a lot more to this story, one way or the other.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Like I said, there is more to the 52 times thing. I'll just pick two ways it could happen to me.

1. I get stopped by a cop for some bullshit and I swear at them, threaten them and just generally go crazy on them. If the stop is bullshit, I feel justified.

2. I'm a criminal of some sort and they start pulling me over just to fuck with me because they can.

I was going to stop at two but I'll just make another one up.

3. I'm banging a cop's ex wife.

Any of these could be the reason, or it could be one of a hundred things.

No matter what it was I'd figure out why. If I wasn't in the wrong, I'd get a lawyer. If I was a criminal, I'd take the fucking bus. If I was driving a car that attracts cops I'd sell it.

Pick a reason for 52 stops and I'll come up with an end to it.

 

[Minstrel]

No matter what it was I'd figure out why. If I wasn't in the wrong, I'd get a lawyer.

I'm not sure what you mean here. Over half of that guy's citations were dismissed in court. That didn't stop him from being pulled over more. You can (if you have the money) hire a lawyer each time--having a lawyer doesn't prevent you from being unjustifiably pulled over again.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

I'm not sure what you mean here. Over half of that guy's citations were dismissed in court. That didn't stop him from being pulled over more. You can (if you have the money) hire a lawyer each time--having a lawyer doesn't prevent you from being unjustifiably pulled over again.

If he was pulled over for good reason 52 times it is on him. If he is being targeted unfairly, find a lawyer or call the ACLU.

Either way, I wouldn't just keep on keeping on as if nothing would ever change.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

>>> I doubt it. see below.



>>> Not the problem.



>>> Spot on Sly. The seat belt thing is a funding from the Federal Goverment to make seat belt enforcement a priority. The Sheriff has them out on Seat Belt stake out. The Sheriff gets money for stops.


No the Feds push for this. Perhaps it doesn't quite work as there would have it but...



>>> From the Feds



I have been pulled over Three times the past 4 years I think. Ticketed once, won in court.
I do sort of blame my local sheriff for going for the Federal money. But I don't want the BLM fucking up the cities of America over this sort of silly shit. Cops are dying as a result of these protests. I guess the difference here is there are no Black people to pull over, he's the Sheriff. Just us old white guys with dirty pickup trucks.

That Federal program you are talking about ended in 2009 and was not re-authorized.

Section 406 Safety Belt Performance Grants
Purpose

This grant program was created to encourage states to enact and enforce primary seat belt laws, which allow law enforcement officers to ticket a driver for not wearing a seat belt, without any other traffic offense taking place.​

Requirements

States were eligible for this grant if they had an actively enforced primary seat belt law or achieved 85% or higher seat belt usage rate for two consecutive years beginning in FY 2006.


The first $1 million of a state's apportionment was required to be used for behavioral highway safety purposes. The remainder may have been used for any safety infrastructure purpose or for any project that corrected or improved a hazardous roadway location or proactively addressed a safety problem.


Funding

States with primary belt laws enacted after Dec. 31, 2002 received a one-time grant equal to 4.75 times the state's FY 2003 Section 402 apportionment. States with an 85% or higher usage rate for two consecutive years beginning in FY 2006 received a similar one-time apportionment in the last two years of the authorization. States with primary belt laws enacted prior to Dec. 31, 2002 received a one-time grant equal to two times their FY 2003 Section 402 apportionment.


New primary belt law states received their apportionments first, followed by high belt use states, followed by older primary belt law states. Unallocated funding in FY 2009 was able to be reallocated to all eligible primary belt law states. The federal share was 100%.


SAFETEA-LU authorized the Section 406 program at $124.5 million each year.​

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Like I said, there is more to the 52 times thing. I'll just pick two ways it could happen to me.

1. I get stopped by a cop for some bullshit and I swear at them, threaten them and just generally go crazy on them. If the stop is bullshit, I feel justified.

2. I'm a criminal of some sort and they start pulling me over just to fuck with me because they can.

I was going to stop at two but I'll just make another one up.

3. I'm banging a cop's ex wife.

Any of these could be the reason, or it could be one of a hundred things.

No matter what it was I'd figure out why. If I wasn't in the wrong, I'd get a lawyer. If I was a criminal, I'd take the fucking bus. If I was driving a car that attracts cops I'd sell it.

Pick a reason for 52 stops and I'll come up with an end to it.

No recent information is available on the racial breakdown of drivers stopped or ticketed by police in Falcon Heights, the mostly white suburb where the shooting occurred, or in other Minnesota towns. Minnesota is not among the handful of states that require police to keep such data.

But in 2001, the Legislature asked for a racial profiling study and it fell to Kearney, then at the Institute on Race & Poverty at the University of Minnesota Law School, to conduct it. His study, using information supplied voluntarily by 65 law enforcement jurisdictions in the state, found a strong likelihood that racial and ethnic bias played a role in traffic stop policies and practices. Overall, officers stopped minority drivers at greater rates than whites and searched them at greater rates, but found contraband in those searches at lower rates than whites.

The analysis found the pattern was more pronounced in suburban areas. In Fridley, New Hope, Plymouth, Sauk Rapids and Savage combined, blacks were stopped about 310 percent more often than expected.

The St. Anthony Police Department, which employs the officer who shot Castile, did not participate in the study. St. Anthony officials have not commented on Castile’s stop since shortly after the shooting.

It was not immediately clear how much money governments in the Minneapolis-St. Paul area generate from traffic violations. A U.S. Department of Justice investigation following the 2014 police shooting death of Michael Brown, a black, unarmed 18-year-old, in Ferguson, Missouri, found law enforcement efforts were focused on generating revenue for that city. Most of the tickets and fines were going to blacks.

Castile’s girlfriend, Diamond Reynolds, a passenger in the car, said the two officers who stopped them said the vehicle had a broken tail light. She said one of the officers shot him “for no apparent reason” after he reached for his ID.

Valerie Castile said she thinks her son “was just black in the wrong place.” Minnesota Gov. Mark Dayton said he did not believe it would have happened to a white motorist.

http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2016/07/09/philando-stops/

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[bodyman5000 and 1]

No recent information is available on the racial breakdown of drivers stopped or ticketed by police in Falcon Heights, the mostly white suburb where the shooting occurred, or in other Minnesota towns. Minnesota is not among the handful of states that require police to keep such data.

But in 2001, the Legislature asked for a racial profiling study and it fell to Kearney, then at the Institute on Race & Poverty at the University of Minnesota Law School, to conduct it. His study, using information supplied voluntarily by 65 law enforcement jurisdictions in the state, found a strong likelihood that racial and ethnic bias played a role in traffic stop policies and practices. Overall, officers stopped minority drivers at greater rates than whites and searched them at greater rates, but found contraband in those searches at lower rates than whites.

The analysis found the pattern was more pronounced in suburban areas. In Fridley, New Hope, Plymouth, Sauk Rapids and Savage combined, blacks were stopped about 310 percent more often than expected.

The St. Anthony Police Department, which employs the officer who shot Castile, did not participate in the study. St. Anthony officials have not commented on Castile’s stop since shortly after the shooting.

It was not immediately clear how much money governments in the Minneapolis-St. Paul area generate from traffic violations. A U.S. Department of Justice investigation following the 2014 police shooting death of Michael Brown, a black, unarmed 18-year-old, in Ferguson, Missouri, found law enforcement efforts were focused on generating revenue for that city. Most of the tickets and fines were going to blacks.

Castile’s girlfriend, Diamond Reynolds, a passenger in the car, said the two officers who stopped them said the vehicle had a broken tail light. She said one of the officers shot him “for no apparent reason” after he reached for his ID.

Valerie Castile said she thinks her son “was just black in the wrong place.” Minnesota Gov. Mark Dayton said he did not believe it would have happened to a white motorist.

http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2016/07/09/philando-stops/

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I don't have a clue what this is supposed to mean. I know there is racial profiling going on all day every day. So what? I mean in regards to this.

I have no idea what happened to this guy or why on Earth he was pulled over 52 times. Nobody reading articles on the Internet does either.

I just will never be stopped by police 52 fucking times in my life. I'd be live streaming the entire thing before I even got pulled over if I somehow decided to drive my car.

That would have been really helpful in fact, maybe we'd know what really happened.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I just will never be stopped by police 52 fucking times in my life.

Never say never, if you believe in yourself you can make anything happen!

 

[MarAzul]

I just will never be stopped by police 52 fucking times in my life

Oh man! You never know, you may have a long time left and things could get really crappy. You just don't know.
I am probably over 40, might make 52, depends on the who is Chief and Sheriff, who's passing out the funds, for what? All kinds of shit can happen.
Hell I had 4 stops now by the Coast guard. I got 3 stops last month on the boat, deputies check this that an what have you on the boat.
I am getting a little curious about that one though! The first thing they all ask is,
Is this a documented vessel?
Yes.
May I see the paper?
Ok, I have to go down below to get it. Ok!
I have never done one of these.
How does it work?
10 minutes later we are done. Why we did it I don't know.

I just counted them, the total interaction this year so far with law enforcement is five.
One taillight stop, seatbelt check.
One coast guard check for proper gear on board.
Sheriff water patrol stop and check for ? in Three different counties.
Five in the first 6 months of the year.
Geez!

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Oh man! You never know, you may have a long time left and things could get really crappy. You just don't know.
I am probably over 40, might make 52, depends on the who is Chief and Sheriff, who's passing out the funds, for what? All kinds of shit can happen.
Hell I had 4 stops now by the Coast guard. I got 3 stops last month on the boat, deputies check this that an what have you on the boat.
I am getting a little curious about that one though! The first thing they all ask is,
Is this a documented vessel?
Yes.
May I see the paper?
Ok, I have to go down below to get it. Ok!
I have never done one of these.
How does it work?
10 minutes later we are done. Why we did it I don't know.

I just counted them, the total interaction this year so far with law enforcement is five.
One taillight stop, seatbelt check.
One coast guard check for proper gear on board.
Sheriff water patrol stop and check for ? in Three different counties.
Five in the first 6 months of the year.
Geez!

No privilege? The horror.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Oh man! You never know, you may have a long time left and things could get really crappy. You just don't know.
I am probably over 40, might make 52, depends on the who is Chief and Sheriff, who's passing out the funds, for what? All kinds of shit can happen.
Hell I had 4 stops now by the Coast guard. I got 3 stops last month on the boat, deputies check this that an what have you on the boat.
I am getting a little curious about that one though! The first thing they all ask is,
Is this a documented vessel?
Yes.
May I see the paper?
Ok, I have to go down below to get it. Ok!
I have never done one of these.
How does it work?
10 minutes later we are done. Why we did it I don't know.

I just counted them, the total interaction this year so far with law enforcement is five.
One taillight stop, seatbelt check.
One coast guard check for proper gear on board.
Sheriff water patrol stop and check for ? in Three different counties.
Five in the first 6 months of the year.
Geez!

I bet you wouldn't get hassled if it were a land boat.

 

[MarAzul]

I bet you wouldn't get hassled if it were a land boat.

You know, I think you are right. When I hauled that thing to the shipyard for final assemble, it looks awesome! Big Pickup truck, long trailer with boat over hanging 25 feet. About 85' total 12 1/2 feet wide. I had flashing lights, flagman, pilot cars, you name it. Still it was a challenge in some places, I could have used help from a cop!
Not one would even come close.