OT MLB to PDX: We're talking baseball to PDX

[kjironman1]

Whats T & M

Time and Material.
A portion of a bid being Time and Material usually is a win for a sub contractor but they also can kill the General Contractor and make it very difficult to actually collect your money.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

This is the best I've got so far but they can't figure out exactly how to make it a covered stadium (which I feel is absolutely imperative). The only way is to extend the bank of the river.
This Zidell yards site is a complete mess logistically speaking and the engineering will be a pain no question.

Then on top of all that there is the fan experience type venues that need space and have got to be part of the overall plan or this is a non starter. Yes I know the City Council wants to vote yes on this but in my humble opinion they are a bunch of buffoons that have no idea what they are looking at.

Terrible location. New stadiums and arenas want nightlife and things to do before and after games, this will not have it. Parking will be horrible.

 

[kjironman1]

Terrible location. New stadiums and arenas want nightlife and things to do before and after games, this will not have it. Parking will be horrible.

I agree. Nowhere to build around it either.

 

[barfo]

Terrible location. New stadiums and arenas want nightlife and things to do before and after games, this will not have it. Parking will be horrible.

Maybe we should build an old stadium then, so that it will want to turn the lights out early, and for those damn kids to quit playing ball on the lawn.

barfo

 

[GriLtCheeZ]

This site is unrealistic and will fizzle out eventually.

Is the site by the Fremont bridge no longer being considered?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Maybe we should build an old stadium then, so that it will want to turn the lights out early, and for those damn kids to quit playing ball on the lawn.

barfo

THAT WOULD BE AWESOME!

Close to the original baseball stadium in Portland is the perfect location.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaughn_Street_Park

 

[blazerfan11]

Terrible location. New stadiums and arenas want nightlife and things to do before and after games, this will not have it. Parking will be horrible.

Just south of the Ross Island Bridge (about 500 feet ) is the South Waterfront neighborhood.

If you haven't explored this area, it's really nice with a beautiful waterfront with parks and benches and paths.

(What could become of this shipyard circled in red?)



The South Waterfront Greenway would be an awesome place to relax before a game, and/or the way to get to the game by bicycle/ foot / etc.

Inside the neighborhood are cool alleyways and walking around here is very pleasant.





With the addition of a few sports bars it would be a perfect place before and after a baseball game.

It kind of feels ready-made for such a purpose. This area has not been affected by what we've seen in other areas of Portland.

 

[blazerfan11]

Just south of the Ross Island Bridge (about 500 feet ) is the South Waterfront neighborhood.

If you haven't explored this area, it's really nice with a beautiful waterfront with parks and benches and paths.

(What could become of this shipyard circled in red?)

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The South Waterfront Greenway would be an awesome place to relax before a game, and/or the way to get to the game by bicycle/ foot / etc.

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Inside the neighborhood are cool alleyways and walking around here is very pleasant.

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With the addition of a few sports bars it would be a perfect place before and after a baseball game.

It kind of feels ready-made for such a purpose. This area has not been affected by what we've seen in other areas of Portland.

As for parking, the site would be right next to the Portland Street Car, which runs in a circle , in BOTH directions around the inner city center.

The Street Car would finally have a purpose. To me, it runs in a ridiculously small circumference but!

it would absolutely fantastic bringing fans from their favorite sports bar nearby to baseball games, then taking them away from the stadium.



It's also not too much to walk across Tilikum Crossing to parking on the east side.




The Whole Thing could be Epic. The Street Car transporting fans from inner east and west Portland on game days, boosting the area around OMSI which is slated for development, along with everything along the Street Car loop line (sample phone call to sports bar: "are you near the Street Car?" ) . We know the city could use a purposeful injection of positive energy right now.

And, the South Waterfront would probably become the nicest near-stadium neighborhood in MLB.

 

[Natebishop3]

Terrible location. New stadiums and arenas want nightlife and things to do before and after games, this will not have it. Parking will be horrible.

Orrrrrr we build a floating casino on Ross "Island."

 

[Phatguysrule]

I said Un- Biddable as in very difficult to bid the job. Too many possible problems and cost overruns.

Perfect

 

[kjironman1]

(What could become of this shipyard circled in red?)

That is part of the Zidell land. It's the old Barge yard.

There are also some problems here but yes that would have to become parking for the most part.

 

[kjironman1]

Thinking The Steetcar system is the answer to the problems is kind of "Pie in the Sky" thinking. People want to drive. They did get the Timbers fans to use the Max so who knows? The part with max is it's much further reaching and there were no stop and transfer situations for both the Blue and Red lines. The Steetcar is slow and much smaller but it could be expanded I guess?

 

[julius]

The problem with concerns about parking are weird.

Outside of the onsite parking at the RG, it's mostly street parking or transit.

There is *no* parking at Providence, and most people get there via transit.

There's limited parking at the convention center too.

Where would the parking be at the terminal location?


The only place that could have ample parking was the one site most people bitched about (Red Tail).

Where is the parking for T-mobile or Seahawk Stadium? Both of them are in industrial areas, right?

 

[Phatguysrule]

The problem with concerns about parking are weird.

Outside of the onsite parking at the RG, it's mostly street parking or transit.

There is *no* parking at Providence, and most people get there via transit.

There's limited parking at the convention center too.

Where would the parking be at the terminal location?


The only place that could have ample parking was the one site most people bitched about (Red Tail).

Where is the parking for T-mobile or Seahawk Stadium? Both of them are in industrial areas, right?

Agreed

 

[Kano John]

As for parking, the site would be right next to the Portland Street Car, which runs in a circle , in BOTH directions around the inner city center.

The Street Car would finally have a purpose. To me, it runs in a ridiculously small circumference but!

it would absolutely fantastic bringing fans from their favorite sports bar nearby to baseball games, then taking them away from the stadium.

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It's also not too much to walk across Tilikum Crossing to parking on the east side.

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The Whole Thing could be Epic. The Street Car transporting fans from inner east and west Portland on game days, boosting the area around OMSI which is slated for development, along with everything along the Street Car loop line (sample phone call to sports bar: "are you near the Street Car?" ) . We know the city could use a purposeful injection of positive energy right now.

And, the South Waterfront would probably become the nicest near-stadium neighborhood in MLB.

How about a water taxi from the East Side (OMSI) to the stadium.

 

[blazerfan11]

That is part of the Zidell land. It's the old Barge yard.

There are also some problems here but yes that would have to become parking for the most part.

Parking and entertainment.

 

[blazerfan11]

How about a water taxi from the East Side (OMSI) to the stadium.

That would be awesome.

 

[Phatguysrule]

That would be awesome.

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With a dock right up to the stadium...

 

[kjironman1]

The problem with concerns about parking are weird.

Outside of the onsite parking at the RG, it's mostly street parking or transit.

There is *no* parking at Providence, and most people get there via transit.

There's limited parking at the convention center too.

Where would the parking be at the terminal location?


The only place that could have ample parking was the one site most people bitched about (Red Tail).

Where is the parking for T-mobile or Seahawk Stadium? Both of them are in industrial areas, right?

Totally uninformed. The Moda has over 3000 spaces and the convention center adds another 1500.

 

[blazerfan11]

With a dock right up to the stadium...

For those that can do it, tailgating on your boat.

 

[blazerfan11]

Totally uninformed. The Moda has over 3000 spaces and the convention center adds another 1500.

How many parking spaces does Providence Park have?



I think parking right next to the stadium is less of an issue when the temperature is 5o + degrees.

 

[kjironman1]

Parking and entertainment.

That seems to be the plan. Yes.

 

[julius]

Totally uninformed. The Moda has over 3000 spaces and the convention center adds another 1500.

What part of "on site" parking did you missunderstand?

 

[kjironman1]

How many parking spaces does Providence Park have?

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Again Providence Park has a unique access to max and it works well with a number of parking options because it’s directly on both the Blue and red lines. Zidell yards does have the Street Car but as I stated it’s very slow and probably would need larger cars. Some improvements could help greatly I’m sure.

 

[kjironman1]

What part of "on site" parking did you missunderstand?

What part of 3000 + 1500 spaces did you?

 

[blazerfan11]

Again Providence Park has a unique access to max and it works well with a number of parking options because it’s directly on both the Blue and red lines. Zidell yards does have the Street Car but as I stated it’s very slow and probably would need larger cars. Some improvements could help greatly I’m sure.

Yes, but how many parking spaces does Providence Park have? I don't know the answer. What is it?

 

[Kano John]

With a dock right up to the stadium...

They could add a marina like the one at Riverplace with a restaurant.

 

[blazerfan11]

They could add a marina like the one at Riverplace with a restaurant.

As it is, it's about 1/2 mile from the current marina to the baseball site.

About a 10-minute walk along the river.

 

[RR7]

How about a water taxi from the East Side (OMSI) to the stadium.

Dont steal my idea!! It's already been attempted on here.

 

[julius]

What part of 3000 + 1500 spaces did you?

And I said *outside* of those?

It's not enough parking if we're being honest