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Natebishop3 said:
They don't have a say. Supposedly they're not asking for public money.
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oh....they will call in the EPA Feds and declare the freaked water front a disaster zone.....
Needs to be in Clackamas County versus Multnomah!
 
Pulls working on a deal with Seattleites to bring baseball here, and move his Blazers back to his crib.....With a new major league team ion town the pain of losing the Zer's won't be so bad!
 
Hoopguru said:
The progressive liberals in this city will block it big time. They'd rather spend the money on bicycle paths and/or trams.
I just hope that the ownership group are, savvy libertarians, with fiscal old fashion baseball, balls!
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From everything ive read there will be no public money used and they have money from something that was passed back when we were close to getting the expos.
 
Hoopguru said:
Pulls working on a deal with Seattleites to bring baseball here, and move his Blazers back to his crib.....With a new major league team ion town the pain of losing the Zer's won't be so bad!
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Baseless post aside, I thought nfl owners can't own 2 teams in the same market
 
Hoopguru said:
The progressive liberals in this city will block it big time. They'd rather spend the money on bicycle paths and/or trams.
I just hope that the ownership group are, savvy libertarians, with fiscal old fashion baseball, balls!
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I made a lot of money building that tram. They can build ten more if they want.
 
kjironman1 said:
I made a lot of money building that tram. They can build ten more if they want.
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lol...I wonder if you were going to respond because I can remember a few years back you mentioned how way over budget they were on the project.
 
Hoopguru said:
The progressive liberals in this city will block it big time. They'd rather spend the money on bicycle paths and/or trams.
I just hope that the ownership group are, savvy libertarians, with fiscal old fashion baseball, balls!
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LoL. I voted for a Libertarian once in a statewide office, but only because he worked at the Plaid Pantry by my house.
 
UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
Screw Ted Wheeler all to hell. If baseball actually does come to PDX, good old Ted Knows Best will make sure that the stadium will have absolutely NO parking and the only way to access the stadium will be either mass transit or bicycles. God PLEASE make sure this idiot keeps his hands out of the mix......
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Mass transit is almost essential for any proposed stadium. Timbers rely on mass transit and it works great as I always use max to go to the games whether it be the Timbers or the ocassional Blazer game. Beats trying to fight the bottleneck from a parking lot.
 
CupWizier said:
Mass transit is almost essential for any proposed stadium. Timbers rely on mass transit and it works great as I always use max to go to the games whether it be the Timbers or the ocassional Blazer game. Beats trying to fight the bottleneck from a parking lot.
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Lloyd center is great for blazers games too.

But yeah, if anything is downtown or i know parking is going to be stupidly priced, ill pay 4 bucks for the "inconvience".
 
Hoopguru said:
lol...I wonder if you were going to respond because I can remember a few years back you mentioned how way over budget they were on the project.
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It's not just that though. It's the whole concept of building a structure like a stadium. There has to be a bunch of support and out buildings. Parking structures and transit are all part of the deal. It creates a huge amount of income for the community. You essentially have a thousand people making $1500-1800 a week take home for as long at 18 - 24 months. That is $1.5 to 2 million a week just dumped into the economy through living wages.
Then there are the sustainable jobs the stadium brings not only running the stadium itself but the businesses and infrastructure needed to sustain the area. Don't for a second think this would not be a huge boost to the Portland metro area.
 
I've got my hopes up several times when it comes to another sports team in Portland. Will they get baseball? Maybe, but I refuse to get my hopes up again
 
Mediocre Man said:
I've got my hopes up several times when it comes to another sports team in Portland. Will they get baseball? Maybe, but I refuse to get my hopes up again
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Thats my take too. I hope it happens, and feel that it can, but I don't get too up or down.
 
GriLtCheeZ said:
LoL. I voted for a Libertarian once in a statewide office, but only because he worked at the Plaid Pantry by my house.
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My mom was a librarian for many years for the PPS system. Is that close? :bgrin:
 
CupWizier said:
Mass transit is almost essential for any proposed stadium. Timbers rely on mass transit and it works great as I always use max to go to the games whether it be the Timbers or the ocassional Blazer game. Beats trying to fight the bottleneck from a parking lot.
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1. It depends on where you live in the PDX area. Those in the outer suburbs are generally screwed, especially when the majority of baseball games are at night. Trimet would have to make some serious schedule adjustments. And I personally have no faith in Trimet’s ability (or willingness) to do the effective thing.

2. People have to buy into using mass transit. And while we have what is apparently considered one of the better transit systems in the country, it is still under used. The traffic congestion throughout the PDX area at almost any time of the day or night pretty much makes it clear that too many people aren’t interested in using the current mass transit system for any reason.

3. Sitting in a car in bumper to bumper, snail pace traffic or sitting in a bus in bumper to bumper, snail pace traffic is still sitting in bumper to bumper, snail pace traffic.

I have no real problems with mass transit and actually enjoy using it when appropriate for my needs, but whatever they might end up building needs to address all forms of accessibility. My original comment was intentionally cynical and based on what has generally become Portland leadership’s head in the sand approach to transportation issues......
 
UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
1. It depends on where you live in the PDX area. Those in the outer suburbs are generally screwed, especially when the majority of baseball games are at night. Trimet would have to make some serious schedule adjustments. And I personally have no faith in Trimet’s ability (or willingness) to do the effective thing.

2. People have to buy into using mass transit. And while we have what is apparently considered one of the better transit systems in the country, it is still under used. The traffic congestion throughout the PDX area at almost any time of the day or night pretty much makes it clear that too many people aren’t interested in using the current mass transit system for any reason.

3. Sitting in a car in bumper to bumper, snail pace traffic or sitting in a bus in bumper to bumper, snail pace traffic is still sitting in bumper to bumper, snail pace traffic.

I have no real problems with mass transit and actually enjoy using it when appropriate for my needs, but whatever they might end up building needs to address all forms of accessibility. My original comment was intentionally cynical and based on what has generally become Portland leadership’s head in the sand approach to transportation issues......
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There are plenty of park and rides available for the max and it's expanding all the time so all you have to do is drive to a convenient location to hop on max. I catch the one at 60th and Glisan and 15 minutes later I am dropped off in front of PGE Park and a short walk to my gate. On the way home I usually wait for the first two to leave and catch the 3rd and plenty of seats on the max and 15 minutes later I am at my stop with a short drive home. Tri Met adds more lines for the coming and going for games.
 
Here's the plan. We build a huge parking lot in the burbs around a roughly circular stadium-sized concrete bunker. The fans park, go through security etc., and are told to take the 'tram' to their seating area. The trams are secretly buses with the windows blacked out, which deliver them to the interior of the actual stadium in town. Everybody's happy, although there is some complaining about how slow the trams are.

barfo
 
UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
1. It depends on where you live in the PDX area. Those in the outer suburbs are generally screwed, especially when the majority of baseball games are at night. Trimet would have to make some serious schedule adjustments. And I personally have no faith in Trimet’s ability (or willingness) to do the effective thing.

2. People have to buy into using mass transit. And while we have what is apparently considered one of the better transit systems in the country, it is still under used. The traffic congestion throughout the PDX area at almost any time of the day or night pretty much makes it clear that too many people aren’t interested in using the current mass transit system for any reason.

3. Sitting in a car in bumper to bumper, snail pace traffic or sitting in a bus in bumper to bumper, snail pace traffic is still sitting in bumper to bumper, snail pace traffic.

I have no real problems with mass transit and actually enjoy using it when appropriate for my needs, but whatever they might end up building needs to address all forms of accessibility. My original comment was intentionally cynical and based on what has generally become Portland leadership’s head in the sand approach to transportation issues......
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The whole post comes down to "I have no real problems with mass transit and actually enjoy using it when appropriate for my needs"
Fact is Tri Met is one of the leading transit systems in the entire country. Your "No Faith" seem unfounded. Tri Met is very very good and can get you pretty much anywhere in the entire metro area for very cheap. Kind of seems like you just like driving for the most part. I do also but when "My Needs" need a bus Tri Met does very well.
 
CupWizier said:
There are plenty of park and rides available for the max and it's expanding all the time so all you have to do is drive to a convenient location to hop on max. I catch the one at 60th and Glisan and 15 minutes later I am dropped off in front of PGE Park and a short walk to my gate. On the way home I usually wait for the first two to leave and catch the 3rd and plenty of seats on the max and 15 minutes later I am at my stop with a short drive home. Tri Met adds more lines for the coming and going for games.
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I can easily catch a free bus from Wilsonville to the Tualatin (or Barbur) Park & Ride and then catch another bus to pretty much anywhere I need to go in Portland. However, the last bus back out to the ‘burbs still leaves about 8:15 pm. I certainly haven’t seen them adjust that for games or any other reason.....at least to this point.
 
UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
I can easily catch a free bus from Wilsonville to the Tualatin (or Barbur) Park & Ride and then catch another bus to pretty much anywhere I need to go in Portland. However, the last bus back out to the ‘burbs still leaves about 8:15 pm. I certainly haven’t seen them adjust that for games or any other reason.....at least to this point.
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Where I live there is a morning and late afternoon bus into Eugene and back...not set up for anybody trying to get to work and nothing on Sunday...used to be a passenger train that went from the coast to the cascades....nobody used it enough to sustain. People are car addicted in the US pretty much...I talked with a young guy here who got a DUI and lost his job because he couldn't drive....my advice was move somewhere with public transportation and make a living
 
kjironman1 said:
The whole post comes down to "I have no real problems with mass transit and actually enjoy using it when appropriate for my needs"
Fact is Tri Met is one of the leading transit systems in the entire country. Your "No Faith" seem unfounded. Tri Met is very very good and can get you pretty much anywhere in the entire metro area for very cheap. Kind of seems like you just like driving for the most part. I do also but when "My Needs" need a bus Tri Met does very well.
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Just because it’s “one of the leading transit companies in the entire country” doesn’t make it automatically “good”. It just means it’s better than most. And as I keep trying to point out (based on personal experience), it is not convenient for those of us in the outer suburbs unless we adjust to Trimet’s schedules rather than try to keep to our own. I’m certainly not going to take a bus to a ball game if I have to leave by the 3rd inning in order to catch a bus home. Trimet does what’s best for Trimet. If that happens to coincide with customer needs then that is a happy accident. I’m all for mass transit. But it has to serve everyone who pays for it, not just a select and/or convenient few. I love mass transit when it’s serves my needs but Trimet too often misses the mark. And judging by PDX traffic in general, I’m not the only one who “seems to just like driving for the most part”............
 
I'm stoked my grandchildren may one day be Portland Baseball fanatics!
 
UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
People have to buy into using mass transit. And while we have what is apparently considered one of the better transit systems in the country, it is still under used.
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I strongly disagree. As someone who rode the Max to and from work for several years, the damn thing is packed to the gills during rush hour. The park and rides are completely full before 8 am. Ridership is not the issue. The fact is that it's not big enough or efficient enough to move a significant enough number of the population.

It looks nice on paper, but it's horribly designed and the trains are too damn small.
 
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