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IMO, its unfair for the players to be put in the middle of that situation because it easily becomes a talking point for the kids and they take sides and it does create drama big time.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Big time. Tons of push back for my girls playing club. Even had a trainer/coach tell them they shouldn't work with anybody outside the program.

And text my wife and I later that night to admonish us for having our kids go to tryouts.
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Ridiculous. Funny thing is…..of the 30 or so schools to recruit and offer my daughter….not a SINGLE one reached out to her HS Coach for a reference or anything whatsoever. And they won the damn 6A State Championship. Not like it was some random HS. NCAA doesn’t care about HS ball except football like I said. And that’s only because there is no type of club situation. Glad your kid is thriving at that level bro. Quite an accomplishment to even get there.
 
Hoopguru said:
IMO, its unfair for the players to be put in the middle of that situation because it easily becomes a talking point for the kids and they take sides and it does create drama big time.
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You are correct. Once that recruiting age hits, you actually see a different demeanor from teammates. Maybe not passing to certain kids and bullshit like that. And don’t let me get started on the parents!!!!
 
THE HCP said:
You are correct. Once that recruiting age hits, you actually see a different demeanor from teammates. Maybe not passing to certain kids and bullshit like that. And don’t let me get started on the parents!!!!
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I see this with my Gd & 2 Gs's traveling teams, softball, baseball & soccer, U13. My honest observation, the drama, is worse with the girls U13. Having raised three boys and three girls, at this age the boys are not as bothered with the politics, but they are more prone to throwing their gloves down, kicking the dirt or pissed off during game situations. I would teach them the hardest thing about being good sport is not letting the loss and error get top you, keep your head o the game. Shake it off. I think because girls are chanting or singing so much while at bat, it helps clear the air if they are pissed. That doesnt apply to my wife though even now as a granny.
 
So if I'm reading this thread correctly, we should all kidnap a kid or two and force them to play ball in a park.

I'll set up and run the GoFundMe's for bail.
 
Hoopguru said:
I see this with my Gd & 2 Gs's traveling teams, softball, baseball & soccer, U13. My honest observation, the drama, is worse with the girls U13. Having raised three boys and three girls, at this age the boys are not as bothered with the politics, but they are more prone to throwing their gloves down, kicking the dirt or pissed off during game situations. I would teach them the hardest thing about being good sport is not letting the loss and error get top you, keep your head o the game. Shake it off. I think because girls are chanting or singing so much while at bat, it helps clear the air if they are pissed. That doesnt apply to my wife though even now as a granny.
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The thing is…..these parents are paying SO much money to have them be on these elite teams…… I know for a fact the overall majority if not ALL of them are doing this with the expectations that being on the team alone will get you a scholarship to college. Obviously NOT true. But I of you look at NCAA D1 athletics….almost 95% of the scholarship athletes are indeed coming from these programs…..there’s just only so many open spots.
So that mentality from the parents usually drips down to the student athletes. When news started to spread about so in so is getting calls from OSU and so in so just went on an official visit to Gonzaga, but their kids having even got an email from anywhere…..there’s flood gates just open with the drama. Senior year on my daughter’s club team was like a reality show…..parents fighting with each other and the coaches in the hotel lobbies….players freezing out other players simply because they were heading off to play in college and they weren’t. UGLY! So glad we are done with all of it FAMS!

If the parents were cool to me and my daughter, I helped them with their recruiting. Cut highlight packs for them and told them what questions to ask on their ZOOMs. We got a total of 23 girls into college. 15 on some sort of athletic scholarship and 10 D1s! Great experience, but no thanks. I know @Phatguysrule has been thru it. It’s brutal.
 
The thing with the 'Scholarship Fallacy' is that these parents think their D1 or D2 student is going to be getting a full ride like the football or basketball players and that simply isn't the case. Can't tell you how many parents are shocked to find out that even at the D1 level, every student isn't all on the school's dime and instead they are going to be getting just a fraction of it paid. Granted the athletes still have a lot of help at the college level, but it's also a full time job to be an athlete, on top of taking a full load of classes. I had a ton of respect for my friends that were playing football, volleyball and basketball while I was at WSU, seeing the time away from class and travel, on top of their daily routines. Parents spend tens of thousands of dollars for their kids to play from the ages of 8-18, only to see either no scholarship at all, or at best a partial and then Johnny/Susie flames out because of the rigor at school.
 
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The thing with the 'Scholarship Fallacy' is that these parents think they mid-level D1 or D2 student is going to be getting a full ride like the football or basketball players and that simply isn't the case. Can't tell you how many parents are shocked to find out that even at the D1 level, every student isn't all on the school's dime and instead they are going to be getting just a fraction of it paid. Granted the athletes still have a lot of help at the college level, but it's also a full time job to be an athlete, on top of taking a full load of classes. I had a ton of respect for my friends that were playing football, volleyball and basketball while I was at WSU, seeing the time away from class and travel, on top of their daily routines. Parents spend tens of thousands of dollars for their kids to play from the ages of 8-18, only to see either no scholarship at all, or at best a partial and then Johnny/Susie flames out because of the rigor at school.
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True. On the other hand, there are also scholarships available from NAIA programs and even D3 (though no sports scholarships at D3).

The best offer my daughter got was from a private D3 school (Lewis & Clark). It wasn't a sports based scholarship, but since she had good grades, took AP classes in HS and volunteered they are paying for virtually her whole education. And we feel coach helped grease the skids by directing her to some scholarships we wouldn't have known about and helped navigate the process from the inside. That was huge.

She had some D2 offers and we know players at the D1 level who she is as good or better than (though my daughter is short). But she couldn't be happier. She's having an absolutely incredible time.

We found the right fit school wise, as well as team wise and she's going to have almost no debt when she graduates with a $320k education.

It took some work. We had to reach out to coaches. Go to camps. And honestly, we could have hit more D1 and D2 camps. And of course she put in the work on the school side. But we really couldn't be happier.
 
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Phatguysrule said:
True. On the other hand, there are also scholarships available from NAIA programs and even D3 (though no sports scholarships at D3).

The best offer my daughter got was from a private D3 school (Lewis & Clark). It wasn't a sports based scholarship, but since she had good grades, took AP classes in HS and volunteered they are paying for virtually her whole education. And we feel coach helped grease the skids by directing her to some scholarships we wouldn't have known about and helped navigate the process from the inside. That was huge.

She had some D2 offers and we know players at the D1 level who she is as good or better than (though my daughter is short). But she couldn't be happier. She's having an absolutely incredible time.

We found the right fit school wise, as well as team wise and she's going to have almost no debt when she graduates with a $320k education.

It took some work. We had to reach out to coaches. Go to camps. And honestly, we could have hit more D1 and D2 camps. And of course she put in the work on the school side. But we really couldn't be happier.
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Bro, as you know levels don’t mean anything when that student athlete finds the right fit and is happy. My man @bigbailes was talking about the D1 work load though and god damn….I don’t know how my kid does it. 6am til 10 pm 6 days a week basically.
Glad your kid went where she did, seems like she is loving it. And the scholarship thing is bananas. D1 women’s soccer had 15 full scholarships to give out, as does basketball…..but baseball has something like 11! So when you see most of those athletes out there, they are walking on or simply getting academic money.
 
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bigbailes said:
The thing with the 'Scholarship Fallacy' is that these parents think their D1 or D2 student is going to be getting a full ride like the football or basketball players and that simply isn't the case. Can't tell you how many parents are shocked to find out that even at the D1 level, every student isn't all on the school's dime and instead they are going to be getting just a fraction of it paid. Granted the athletes still have a lot of help at the college level, but it's also a full time job to be an athlete, on top of taking a full load of classes. I had a ton of respect for my friends that were playing football, volleyball and basketball while I was at WSU, seeing the time away from class and travel, on top of their daily routines. Parents spend tens of thousands of dollars for their kids to play from the ages of 8-18, only to see either no scholarship at all, or at best a partial and then Johnny/Susie flames out because of the rigor at school.
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Its a racket. Just tonight found out my 7th grade granddaughter will be going to CO, TX, & NV for faal ball tourneys. The expense is hard for families.
Reminds me of beauty pageants for young girls.
 
My nephew just got full ride offers from western Oregon and a couple Community colleges. I was kind of shocked that a community college would offer that.
 
Hoopguru said:
Its a racket. Just tonight found out my 7th grade granddaughter will be going to CO, TX, & NV for faal ball tourneys. The expense is hard for families.
Reminds me of beauty pageants for young girls.
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No need to travel so far, IMO. If it's hard on families they can get a full ride just playing on the West Coast.
 
Hoopguru said:
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Its a racket. Just tonight found out my 7th grade granddaughter will be going to CO, TX, & NV for faal ball tourneys. The expense is hard for families.
Reminds me of beauty pageants for young girls.
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It IS a racket…..it’s a 1.7%er type of game. If you are one of the 1.7% who play a sport in HS and go on to get a D1 scholarship…..it’s tough telling those families that though. It was a proper good return on investment. I was surrounded by parents bitching about it being a scam and racket. Simply because they assumed their kid was headed to Team USA.
 
Hoopguru said:
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Its a racket. Just tonight found out my 7th grade granddaughter will be going to CO, TX, & NV for faal ball tourneys. The expense is hard for families.
Reminds me of beauty pageants for young girls.
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They prey on parents and kids feelings of being left behind and dangling that 'scholarship' in front of their face. My niece is going through it right now playing soccer for Columbia Premiere over in Vancouver as a 10 year old. They aren't doing the crazy travel yet but it's on the horizon.
 
bigbailes said:
They prey on parents and kids feelings of being left behind and dangling that 'scholarship' in front of their face. My niece is going through it right now playing soccer for Columbia Premiere over in Vancouver as a 10 year old. They aren't doing the crazy travel yet but it's on the horizon.
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It is SOLELY on the parents to be realistic in the situation. Plain and simple. You know if your kid is heading to play in college at a VERY early age and if it ain’t in the cards, it just ain’t. It can be devastating for these kids to be hyped up by their parents unto believe they deserve all this. Sad situation. We had to keep all of my daughter’s recruiting situation to ourselves. She/we didn’t want the other girls to feel bad about their situation. It is cut throat the older they get. Wishing your niece the best bro. If it ain’t a for sure thing, they should just play with their neighborhood team and enjoy it.
 
I like how this thread has gone from the infantesimal chances of getting an MLB team, to the infantesimal chances of people getting discovered in sports.

Btw, I swear to God I hate how many times autocorrect incorrectly corrects "in" to "on", such as when I said "getting discovered in sports" (as it did when I typed this the first time and just now when I retyped it for emphasis).
 
julius said:
I like how this thread has gone from the infantesimal chances of getting an MLB team, to the infantesimal chances of people getting discovered in sports.

Btw, I swear to God I hate how many times autocorrect incorrectly corrects "in" to "on", such as when I said "getting discovered in sports" (as it did when I typed this the first time and just now when I retyped it for emphasis).
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Imagine if you had been “discovered” for your video game prowess? Did I use that last word correctly? I had never said or typed that before?
 
julius said:
I like how this thread has gone from the infantesimal chances of getting an MLB team, to the infantesimal chances of people getting discovered in sports.

Btw, I swear to God I hate how many times autocorrect incorrectly corrects "in" to "on", such as when I said "getting discovered in sports" (as it did when I typed this the first time and just now when I retyped it for emphasis).
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And it didn't correct "infantesimal"?

barfo
 
THE HCP said:
Imagine if you had been “discovered” for your video game prowess? Did I use that last word correctly? I had never said or typed that before?
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Shows what you know. Not only do I not have the attention span for video games, my family was poor and didn't have a video game system.
 
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