Moe Harkless ceiling.

[MickZagger]

A guy like Harkless is a great role player on good team.

 

[dviss1]

Poor man's Nic Batum.

Their games are literally nothing alike.

 

[roroyo]

I really somehow had hope, that Harkless would read that and maybe he put some effort for those believing fans.

Now I just want fkin bench him next to Bieber. I'm really disappointed with him and I think he could be some kind of problem in locker room. I might be wrong, but Batum was our glue guy on and off the court . Harkless seems to be opposite.

I know it could be BS but this team just does not work good and I'm not the only person that panicking on this forum. Something is terribly wrong with motivation in this team for a long time. I think Hark want to be in NY and we should let him go. Or ask him

 

[Mediocre Man]

His ceiling is the roof

 

[julius]

His ceiling is what we're seeing out of him right now.

 

[Labinot41]

I'm dissapointed with Moe too. Last year he was better. But we need him as a defender

 

[Blazinaway]

His ceiling is what we're seeing out of him right now.

Unfortunately I am coming to that realization as well. I had hopes he was on an improvement track that would extend to this yr but I think we may be seeing the Hark that is and will be for the next several years. Just too inconsistent and really not starter material - a role player. Hope he proves this outlook wrong but so far that is not the case.

I do wonder if his inconsistent play keep up if we'll see Jake get more opportunities to see what he can do. BTW I don't really have high hoped for Jake but he does deserve a shot IMO especially given what Hark has show so far.

 

[Scalma]

Unfortunately I am coming to that realization as well. I had hopes he was on an improvement track that would extend to this yr but I think we may be seeing the Hark that is and will be for the next several years. Just too inconsistent and really not starter material - a role player. Hope he proves this outlook wrong but so far that is not the case.

I do wonder if his inconsistent play keep up if we'll see Jake get more opportunities to see what he can do. BTW I don't really have high hoped for Jake but he does deserve a shot IMO especially given what Hark has show so far.

With Aminu out, if Harkless continues his inconsistency and laziness, I would be all for giving Layman a chance, even if it's only to send a message to Harkless

 

[TBpup]

I do wonder if his inconsistent play keep up if we'll see Jake get more opportunities to see what he can do. BTW I don't really have high hoped for Jake but he does deserve a shot IMO especially given what Hark has show so far.

With Aminu out, if Harkless continues his inconsistency and laziness, I would be all for giving Layman a chance, even if it's only to send a message to Harkless

It is a very small sample size but in the last 3 games where Layman didn't play just mop up minutes in the pre-season, I thought he played fairly well.
He was 15-23 from the field (.652), 7-10 from 3-pt range (.700) with 5 rebounds, 3 assists, 1 steal, 2 blocks and 3 turnovers.

Of course it was pre-season and one of those games was against Maccabi, but sometimes there are things players can do that others can't no matter what the competition. Harkless or Aminu could play against the bottom feeders of the league and not shoot that well. But what I also like is that Jake has other basketball skills. He has a better handle then either of Mo or Chief (not exactly a high bar), is solid defensively and is deceptively athletic.

He hasn't been very good but neither has Mo. Then again, it's tough to be good when all you get is spot garbage minutes with 'The Closers'. Put him out there for a stretch with the regular rotation players and see what happens....and give it a few games instead of just one game and then a benching.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Mo's ceiling? I think you're seeing it. Hustle guy, with a shaky jumper, so-so defense, and the occasional flash. Ideally he'd be a 7th or 8th man in your rotation for about 15-18 minutes a night. Good enough to hold the fort as a backup, but definitely not good enough to tilt the floor as a starter.

People squawking about him being a disappointment must have had unrealistic expectations, becaue he's basically the same guy he's always been since he came into the league.

 

[BigGameDamian]

I love what Harkless brings. But, until he can create his own shot he won't be a 25ppg scorer.

I don't think he'll ever be a 25ppg scorer. Everyone needs to loosen up the homer glasses.

I’m not huge on Harkless. With the looks he gets he should be shooting around 38-40% from 3. He’s too inconsistent for my liking, and again his jumper is terrible. My goal for Harkless is to trade him, I’m hoping his young age can fool a team and take him for his “potential”. Maybe even adding a 1st rounder with Hark we can really get that difference maker at the 3. Imagine a Trevor Ariza type for the 3 on our team

Couldn't have said it better myself!

 

[Scalma]

Mo's ceiling? I think you're seeing it. Hustle guy, with a shaky jumper, so-so defense, and the occasional flash. Ideally he'd be a 7th or 8th man in your rotation for about 15-18 minutes a night. Good enough to hold the fort as a backup, but definitely not good enough to tilt the floor as a starter.

People squawking about him being a disappointment must have had unrealistic expectations, becaue he's basically the same guy he's always been since he came into the league.

I agree with most of this but I wouldn't call him a "hustle guy." If he actually hustled he'd be a good player.

 

[Denny Crane]

Mo's ceiling? I think you're seeing it. Hustle guy, with a shaky jumper, so-so defense, and the occasional flash. Ideally he'd be a 7th or 8th man in your rotation for about 15-18 minutes a night. Good enough to hold the fort as a backup, but definitely not good enough to tilt the floor as a starter.

People squawking about him being a disappointment must have had unrealistic expectations, becaue he's basically the same guy he's always been since he came into the league.

Spot on.

If this team had the kind of starting SF it needs, I think he might be behind Aminu in the SF rotation.

It's not that I don't like him, because I do. He's not a horrible player - far from it.

He's been riding the coattails of a very good late season and playoff run that got us into the 2nd round two seasons ago. He's been given the opportunity to really step up his game, like CJ did, even if it turns out to be to some lesser extent.

If ET was a more sure 3pt shooter, there'd be no competition at SF at all, IMO.

 

[julius]

I don't think he'll ever be a 25ppg scorer. Everyone needs to loosen up the homer glasses.

Thats neat and all but NO ONE suggested he could be, should be or would be a 25 ppg scorer.

 

[Scalma]

It is a very small sample size but in the last 3 games where Layman didn't play just mop up minutes in the pre-season, I thought he played fairly well.
He was 15-23 from the field (.652), 7-10 from 3-pt range (.700) with 5 rebounds, 3 assists, 1 steal, 2 blocks and 3 turnovers.

Of course it was pre-season and one of those games was against Maccabi, but sometimes there are things players can do that others can't no matter what the competition. Harkless or Aminu could play against the bottom feeders of the league and not shoot that well. But what I also like is that Jake has other basketball skills. He has a better handle then either of Mo or Chief (not exactly a high bar), is solid defensively and is deceptively athletic.

Why deceptively? Is it because he's white??

 

[Nikolokolus]

I agree with most of this but I wouldn't call him a "hustle guy." If he actually hustled he'd be a good player.

A "hustle player" usually means the kind of player that is at their best when they are going for loose balls, tip-ins, slashing to the rim and hoping to be setup by the point-guard. In other words a limited player.

 

[Scalma]

A "hustle player" usually means the kind of player that is at their best when they are going for loose balls, tip-ins, slashing to the rim and hoping to be setup by the point-guard. In other words a limited player.

The NBA actually tracks "hustle" stats. Deflections, loose ball recoveries, charges, contesting shots, screen assists, etc. Harkless isn't ranked in the top 50 of a single category, and isn't even ranked in the top 100 save for one.

 

[tester551]

Thats neat and all but NO ONE suggested he could be, should be or would be a 25 ppg scorer.

What are you talking about? Do you even read the posts to get context?

He was quoting Mick who said if he could create his own shot, Harkless could be a 25ppg scorer. BigGameDame said Harkless wouldn't develop that skill and would never be that type of scorer.

Obviously Mick SUGGESTED that Harkless COULD be a 25ppg scorer.

 

[tester551]

The NBA actually tracks "hustle" stats. Deflections, loose ball recoveries, charges, contesting shots, screen assists, etc. Harkless isn't ranked in the top 50 of a single category, and isn't even ranked in the top 100 save for one.

Yep. He's a 'hustle guy' who doesn't hustle very often.

 

[julius]

What are you talking about? Do you even read the posts to get context?

He was quoting Mick who said if he could create his own shot, Harkless could be a 25ppg scorer. BigGameDame said Harkless wouldn't develop that skill and would never be that type of scorer.

Obviously Mick SUGGESTED that Harkless COULD be a 25ppg scorer.

I meant real people. One person does not "everyone" make. Plus, he's a poster who thinks everything coming out of Gonzaga is the best thing ever.

 

[BonesJones]

Mo's ceiling? I think you're seeing it.

I don't understand some of the people on this board man...

So he's playing much worse this year compared to last year, but this year he's showing his ceiling? You realize that makes no sense, right?

 

[Nikolokolus]

I don't understand some of the people on this board man...

So he's playing much worse this year compared to last year, but this year he's showing his ceiling? You realize that makes no sense, right?

Putting stats aside, he doesn't look any different to me this year compared to last year. Will his percentages improve? Maybe? Probably? But he's still the same guy. He still has limitations to his skillset. He still looks like a backup miscast as a starter.

 

[BonesJones]

Putting stats aside, he doesn't look any different to me this year compared to last year. Will his percentages improve? Maybe? Probably? But he's still the same guy. He still has limitations to his skillset. He still looks like a backup miscast as a starter.

I don't disagree with that.

 

[Scalma]

Can we just combine Harkless' athleticism and body with Connaughtons brain and shot? Please?

 

[jlprk]

Can we just combine Harkless' athleticism and body with Connaughtons brain and shot? Please?

I didn't know you're a Meyers Leonard fan.

When with Orlando, Harkless was nicknamed Heartless--i.e. inconsistent and absent-minded.

 

[illmatic99]

Think we got about as much from him as possible. I want a replacement.

 

[tester551]

How about this Mo trade?

It gets us out of the tax and sheds Meyer's contract.

 

[Scalma]

How about this Mo trade?
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It gets us out of the tax and sheds Meyer's contract.

If Meyers is involved don't expect us to get the better player or cap savings in return.

 

[Schilly]

Mo is the kind of guy that if you just read stats is disappointing. I think if you watch a game and really focus on just him he impacts the game more than we give him credit for in particular on the defensive end.

 

[ripcityboy]

I think he's reached it. Rotational player who does a few things well. Who was he supposed to end up being comparable too?