Moe's big night

[mook]

“I just feel like I’m just out there to be out there … I don’t know,’’ Harkless said Wednesday after he had 1 point, zero rebounds, zero assists and zero blocks or steals in the Blazers’ 101-81 loss in Philadelphia.

I think this captures it in a nutshell. After a season of starting you just get the sense he doesn't have that hunger or fear anymore that comes from wondering if he is doing enough to keep his job. He's easily our worst starter now that Vonleh has kicked it up a notch on the defensive end.

Reminds me a lot of Leonard, where you just give him minutes for a couple years because there aren't a lot of other options. I am counting the days for Aminu to return and yank Mo's job away.

I've been a massive critic of Vonleh until this year, but I have to admit he's taken a massive stride in his defense and rebounding--particularly in defense. It's to the point now where I think you have to consider him the team's best overall defender. Nurk is a better team defender, and Aminu is a better man-on-man guy, but if you just watch Vonleh out there he does so many little things the right way on every possession. Factor in the great job he does on screens, and you have to start Vonleh now, which makes Mo the odd man out.

 

[Sinobas]

His new nickname should be triple 0. Like his stat line.

 

[Blazinaway]

Time to start calling him Emo Harkless?

I prefer Heartless

 

[stampedehero]

Looks like he needs some bench time.

18 minutes, 0-3 FG, 0 rebounds, 0 assists, 0 blocks 0 steals, 1 point


Can Stotts finally just fucking bench this guy already? I don't care if Aminu is back or not. Play Layman for laughs. Start Turner again. Whatever. Just be sure to find a nice, warm spot on the bench for Mr. Harkless. This guy hasn't even hit his scoring average from last season once in the last month.

At least he scored a point.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

I don't know. It was said (by Quick, I think), that he was the hardest worker this summer. Probably he expected to be used more this year and that hasn't happened. I agree with him that a player needs more usage to get into a rhythm. Apparently Stotts tried to run plays for him at the beginning of a couple games; that may not be the best idea. It's kind of forcing it and maybe putting too much pressure on him. I think he just wants to be used more, passed to more when he is open at the three and passed more to when he cuts to the basket. I think his efficiency would improve with more usage. As posters keep pointing out, we are the lowest assist team in the league. Coaches need to do better to change the offense, to get more people involved.
At the same time, until they do that, Harkless needs to step up his focus on defense, his rebounding and keep hustling.

 

[BrunoSOC]

http://www.nbcsports.com/northwest/...ss-and-his-struggles-i-feel-im-just-out-there

Must read.


“I just feel like I’m just out there to be out there … I don’t know,’’ Harkless said Wednesday after he had 1 point, zero rebounds, zero assists and zero blocks or steals in the Blazers’ 101-81 loss in Philadelphia.

Harkless has never been a player whose value is best measured by statistics. He is primarily a defender, whose value is enhanced by his ability to switch and guard anyone from forwards to guards on pick-and-rolls.

 

[BrunoSOC]

Harkless said. “Every game it’s the same thing … we play through three people.’’

Wow. Ok i know this is true, but is sad to read that from Hark.

 

[BrunoSOC]

Im pretty sure when aminu comeback he'll move to the SF position.

 

[kjironman1]

Fucking Quick.
Jumping at an opportunity to get a story while there is one.
Moe can't shoot.
Moe won't even see time when Aminu gets back into the rotation. This is not even a story.
Just fucking Jason "Drama Queen" Quick trying to get clicks.

 

[TBpup]

Fucking Quick.
Jumping at an opportunity to get a story while there is one.
Moe can't shoot.
Moe won't even see time when Aminu gets back into the rotation. This is not even a story.
Just fucking Jason "Drama Queen" Quick trying to get clicks.

How is this a Quick issue when he is just reporting what was said in an interview?

 

[KingSpeed]

This article was already posted and discussed in the other Harkless thread.

http://www.sportstwo.com/threads/moes-big-night.323554/

 

[BigGameDamian]

Im pretty sure when aminu comeback he'll move to the SF position.

Ya and that will fix everything so then we can continue developing. Woohoo!!

 

[handiman]

I prefer Heartless

Can we compromise...Emo Heartless? Bonus points for contradiction.

 

[Trackjack]

While yes he having his struggles but he not out line what he said. Our guards don't get everyone involve in the game. But Harkless needs to play hard no matter what that what he gets paid for.

 

[Scalma]

While yes he having his struggles but he not out line what he said. Our guards don't get everyone involve in the game. But Harkless needs to play hard no matter what that what he gets paid for.

That’s crap. CJ doesn’t get anyone else involved but Dame does. Most times I wish dame would be more selfish. Don’t bunch him in with CJ who’s without a doubt a ball hog.

 

[TBpup]

That’s crap. CJ doesn’t get anyone else involved but Dame does. Most times I wish dame would be more selfish. Don’t bunch him in with CJ who’s without a doubt a ball hog.

2 assists total last night while taking 41 shots between the two of them. I'd venture to see neither of them was looking for much other than their own show for most of the night.

 

[Blazinaway]

Can we compromise...Emo Heartless? Bonus points for contradiction.

LOL, that works for me

 

[Scalma]

2 assists total last night while taking 41 shots between the two of them. I'd venture to see neither of them was looking for much other than their own show for most of the night.

Lillard averages 6apg surrounded by non shooters and non scorers.

McCollum is a different story.

 

[TBpup]

Lillard averages 6apg surrounded by non shooters and non scorers.

McCollum is a different story.

Very well aware of what he averages. For as much as he and CJ have the ball in their hands, it is a very low combined total. Also, many of those assists from Dame are to CJ so it is still just the two of them while everyone else is left uninvolved.

 

[Trackjack]

That’s crap. CJ doesn’t get anyone else involved but Dame does. Most times I wish dame would be more selfish. Don’t bunch him in with CJ who’s without a doubt a ball hog.

Most of Dame assists goes through Nurk not through Harkless or Vonleh and that what Harkless complaint about. Dame shot 27 times last night our foward s got 5 shots last night. A point guard is suppose to get everybody involve now some games he has got players involve and guess what the team actually play better when he does that but it like okay I needs my points so he looking to score to gets his. Now CJ well he 2 guard and yes he try to get his also. Now your properly saying I don't like Dame well than your wrong about that but I also believe point guards are out there that to make everyone job easier on offense end. I also believe Harkless is not quiting on Stotts but on Dame and cj he is and he saying through his play I don't want play with 2 guys at all.

 

[kjironman1]

How is this a Quick issue when he is just reporting what was said in an interview?

If i gotta tell you why this is a Quick issue then there is little hope you would understand in the first place. This story is timed exactly when we all know Moe is done in the starting rotation. He has never even hesitated to create problems for this franchise. It would be best if no Blazer ever talked to Jason Quick.

 

[kjironman1]

Most of Dame assists goes through Nurk not through Harkless or Vonleh and that what Harkless complaint about. Dame shot 27 times last night our foward s got 5 shots last night. A point guard is suppose to get everybody involve now some games he has got players involve and guess what the team actually play better when he does that but it like okay I needs my points so he looking to score to gets his. Now CJ well he 2 guard and yes he try to get his also. Now your properly saying I don't like Dame well than your wrong about that but I also believe point guards are out there that to make everyone job easier on offense end. I also believe Harkless is not quiting on Stotts but on Dame and cj he is and he saying through his play I don't want play with 2 guys at all.

Might help if they had a forward that could actually make a shot. Or do you like scoring 2 points in the first 8 mins of a game?

 

[kjironman1]

Very well aware of what he averages. For as much as he and CJ have the ball in their hands, it is a very low combined total. Also, many of those assists from Dame are to CJ so it is still just the two of them while everyone else is left uninvolved.

Give it a rest. You just watched (or maybe you missed the game last night?) 2 points in 8 minutes to start a game. This is not on Dame. Maybe Harkless should make a fucking shot.

 

[TBpup]

Dame is #14 in the league in Assists (tied with Reggie Jackson and Spencer Dinwiddie) despite playing more minutes than everyone ranked in front of him other than LeBron James. He is barely ahead of players like Jarrett Jack and DeMarcus Cousins.

http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/assists/sort/avgAssists/year/2018/seasontype/2

CJ is tied for #96 at 2.4 Assist per game...behind Domantas Sabonis. COMBINED they are behind Harden, Westbrook, Wall, and just ahead of LeBron.

That whole being last in the league in Fast Break points takes away from the few offensives strengths players like Harkless and Aminu have. Just don't get that part.

 

[kjironman1]

Dame is #14 in the league in Assists (tied with Reggie Jackson and Spencer Dinwiddie) despite playing more minutes than everyone ranked in front of him other than LeBron James. He is barely ahead of players like Jarrett Jack and DeMarcus Cousins.

http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/assists/sort/avgAssists/year/2018/seasontype/2

CJ is tied for #96 at 2.4 Assist per game...behind Domantas Sabonis. COMBINED they are behind Harden, Westbrook, Wall, and just ahead of LeBron.

Again. Give it a rest. Maybe Harkless, Vonleh and Nurkic could make a shot. Don't even go all stat monkey and try to prove assist when players all around him are missing shots from 2 foot out.

 

[kjironman1]

Hey guys, I think we need to start handing out these flyers around town.

That is priceless.

 

[kjironman1]

Only way Moe makes an impression is to find a willing ear to cry to. Enter Jason Quick to save the day.

 

[Trackjack]

Might help if they had a forward that could actually make a shot. Or do you like scoring 2 points in the first 8 mins of a game?

If I remember right it was Napier that score first in that 1st 8 minutes not Dame. That whole 1st unit was bricking the ball.

 

[Trackjack]

Again. Give it a rest. Maybe Harkless, Vonleh and Nurkic could make a shot. Don't even go all stat monkey and try to prove assist when players all around him are missing shots from 2 foot out.

Well dame is shooting is lowest percentage in his career and he has miss his share of 2 foot too.

 

[TBpup]

Okay fine, I'm convinced by the "give it a rest" crowd. Dame and CJ look to set up their teammates most of the time and hardly ever shoot first. I'll just ignore all the video that is so easy to go over to see teammate wide open right at the rim over and over again while those two are taking step-back 20+' jumpers.

I'm not saying the options around are great shooters but that hasn't stopped true playmakers from setting up teammates for decades. Part of this is on Stotts and the type of offense he runs but there are countless opportunities of players being wide open that never get the ball. Then when they finally do, they don't have a rhythm or much confidence. When that goes on all season long, confidence declines as do shooting percentages...especially of players who weren't great shooters to start with.