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wizenheimer said:
hasn't Cronin been pretty transparent about his plans?
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  • he said he was being really aggressive to make a trade pre-2023 draft, and then he didn't (or couldn't)
  • then he said he wants to maximize value of the 3 and 23 picks, and then didn't (or couldn't)
  • then he said he was open to dame sticking around, and then dame wasn't (or he wasn't)
  • then it appeared he was going to keep dame for months if he had to, into the season, until he found the right deal—then he traded him before training camp opened.
  • he put out a statement via woj that he was committed to his young guard corps (read: moving brogdon), and then didn't (or couldn't).
  • same thing at the deadline—it appeared he was going to trade brogdon but he couldn't do better than meh additional 2024 firsts, which he already had a lot of.
  • post season presser, he said he wanted to take no steps back, but also build sustainably, the right way (?).

IMO, joe has been pretty purposefully opaque while he tries to get as much value for the team's assets as possible and preserve optionality the whole time. I think it's a strategy. A 'liquidation sale' sign doesn't do much when you're looking to trade.
 
Samuel said:
  • he said he was being really aggressive to make a trade pre-2023 draft, and then he didn't (or couldn't)
  • then he said he wants to maximize value of the 3 and 23 picks, and then didn't (or couldn't)
  • then he said he was open to dame sticking around, and then dame wasn't (or he wasn't)
  • then it appeared he was going to keep dame for months if he had to, into the season, until he found the right deal—then he traded him before training camp opened.
  • he put out a statement via woj that he was committed to his young guard corps (read: moving brogdon), and then didn't (or couldn't).
  • same thing at the deadline—it appeared he was going to trade brogdon but he couldn't do better than meh additional 2024 firsts, which he already had a lot of.
  • post season presser, he said he wanted to take no steps back, but also build sustainably, the right way (?).
IMO, joe has been pretty purposefully opaque while he tries to get as much value for the team's assets as possible and preserve optionality the whole time. I think it's a strategy. A 'liquidation sale' sign doesn't do much when you're looking to trade.
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And it buys him job security for at least three more years. Same with Coach, if he's up to staying.
 
Samuel said:
  • he said he was being really aggressive to make a trade pre-2023 draft, and then he didn't (or couldn't)
  • then he said he wants to maximize value of the 3 and 23 picks, and then didn't (or couldn't)
  • then he said he was open to dame sticking around, and then dame wasn't (or he wasn't)
  • then it appeared he was going to keep dame for months if he had to, into the season, until he found the right deal—then he traded him before training camp opened.
  • he put out a statement via woj that he was committed to his young guard corps (read: moving brogdon), and then didn't (or couldn't).
  • same thing at the deadline—it appeared he was going to trade brogdon but he couldn't do better than meh additional 2024 firsts, which he already had a lot of.
  • post season presser, he said he wanted to take no steps back, but also build sustainably, the right way (?).
IMO, joe has been pretty purposefully opaque while he tries to get as much value for the team's assets as possible and preserve optionality the whole time. I think it's a strategy. A 'liquidation sale' sign doesn't do much when you're looking to trade.
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People that point to those things don't understand how management/executives roll In the corporate world. Most of that stuff is all boilerplate statements someone in those positions make.
 
JFizzleRaider said:
People that point to those things don't understand how management/executives roll In the corporate world. Most of that stuff is all boilerplate statements someone in those positions make.
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exactly. I never understood the level of surprise about some of the stuff that joe says.

the mystery—the lack of telegraphing your strategy publicly—is the entire point. it sucks as a fan—I get it. but this is how other gms do it too (was just listening to sixers fans complaining about 'daryl snorey', ha) I will say I suspect the next gm under new ownership may lay out a tick more of a vision statement (ex: 'let it bake'), vs the quick 15m pressers full of that we've been getting with joe as he transitions the roster.
 
Samuel said:
  • he said he was being really aggressive to make a trade pre-2023 draft, and then he didn't (or couldn't)
  • then he said he wants to maximize value of the 3 and 23 picks, and then didn't (or couldn't)
  • then he said he was open to dame sticking around, and then dame wasn't (or he wasn't)
  • then it appeared he was going to keep dame for months if he had to, into the season, until he found the right deal—then he traded him before training camp opened.
  • he put out a statement via woj that he was committed to his young guard corps (read: moving brogdon), and then didn't (or couldn't).
  • same thing at the deadline—it appeared he was going to trade brogdon but he couldn't do better than meh additional 2024 firsts, which he already had a lot of.
  • post season presser, he said he wanted to take no steps back, but also build sustainably, the right way (?).
IMO, joe has been pretty purposefully opaque while he tries to get as much value for the team's assets as possible and preserve optionality the whole time. I think it's a strategy. A 'liquidation sale' sign doesn't do much when you're looking to trade.
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that really doesn't have much to do with what I said

if you re-read what I posted, not once did I quote Cronin or talk about what he said. I don't pay any attention to what he says. A decade of Olshey convinced me never to believe a GM's words, just his actions. What I talked about was the reporting and rumors concerning what the Blazers were actually looking at doing behind the scenes, and how those rumors mostly seem to match what they ended up doing
 
Hoopguru said:
And it buys him job security for at least three more years. Same with Coach, if he's up to staying.
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Joe doesn't need job security. He entered his position with a 10 year warranty, just like Olshey. There's no pressure or time limit for Cronin to produce results, except for 1 area... The Vulcan owners will get paid. A massive TV revenue sharing check is on the way.

Blazer fans who think this Franchise is unsuccesful better think twice. Jody is soo wealthy, she can rent the Moda Center to Portland for 1 dollar. THAT'S CRazy rich
 
wizenheimer said:
What I talked about was the reporting and rumors concerning what the Blazers were actually looking at doing behind the scenes, and how those rumors mostly seem to match what they ended up doing
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You mentioned the word transparency. I don't know about you, but that sounds pretty closely associated to what a FO presents publicly about itself, to me. Kind of like what they might talk about publicly, say. Or what they might release through backchannels in the media, say.
 
wizenheimer said:
didn't this rumor about Portland wanting to move up for Clingan first come from Jonathon Givony? And didn't Givony and Mike Schmitz work together for years? And aren't they still close friends?
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So you're saying Givony is throwing out bogus rumors to help his buddy? Interesting!
 
Samuel said:
You mentioned the word transparency. I don't know about you, but that sounds pretty closely associated to what a FO presents publicly about itself, to me.
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I don't agree. As I said, I put no stock at all in what a GM says
 
I’m willing to accept Cronin’s plausible explanations of what he was looking to do — and “failed” to get done (whether he truly was offering everything he could/should) — and then moved on from both Dame and CJ and Nurk during the two-track/path/whatever it was …

So I don’t know how much truth or falsity has been in his statements, and I too don’t care as much about that as compared to actions.

The Blazers got younger, positionally bigger and have Shaedon, Scoot, and 2 lottery picks to be named later to continue the rebuild. I’m interested to see which trades get done of players who don’t fit the rebuild — as presently under construction. [I won’t bother to list the usual, veteran suspects.].

Scoot and Shaedon MAY be dudes for this team. Swing away in the draft and get dudes.
 
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Chauncey stated we got to be better next year? Is that a politicly correct statement or he's sick of losing like this? 3 years.
 
Hoopguru said:
Chauncey stated we got to be better next year? Is that a politically correct statement or he's sick of losing like this? 3 years.
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Sick of losing? Yes
Politically correct about not wanting to be seen as the tank commander? Yes.

I want to see growth in individual players — Scoot, Shaedon, Kris, Toumani — especially. Ayton playing the role that he can and consistently. That’s “being better.” And losing massively. One. More. Year.
 
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wizenheimer said:
I don't agree. As I said, I put no stock at all in what a GM says
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You said transparency! You did! Since when does the word transparency = ‘rumor mill’?

pick a different word!
 
HoopsFanAZ said:
I’m willing to accept Cronin’s plausible explanations of what he was looking to do — and “failed” to get done (whether he truly was offering everything he could/should) — and then moved on from both Dame and CJ and Nurk during the two-track/path/whatever it was …

So I don’t know how much truth or falsity has been in his statements, and I too don’t care as much about that as compared to actions.

The Blazers got younger, positionally bigger and have Shaedon, Scoot, and 2 lottery picks to be named later to continue the rebuild. I’m interested to see which trades get done of players who don’t fit the rebuild — as presently under construction. [I won’t bother to list the usual, veteran suspects.].

Scoot and Shaedon MAY be dudes for this team. Swing away in the draft and get dudes.
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We definitely need more potential dudes and less aging role players. We already have young potential role players in Tou, Bari, Kris, Deandre and hell if they don't hit their upsides even Scoot and Shae. Swing away and get dudes for sure... for sure.
 
B-Roy said:
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I'm pretty skeptical Utah would want both Kessler + Clingan

but if Clingan slips to 7, and the Blazers are interested in trading down:

with Chicago: #7 for #11 + Portland's pick back + future lottery protected 1st? too much?

with Memphis: #7 for #9 + whatever the value is for moving up 2 slots?

with OKC: moving up from 12 to 7 in a lottery is a significant jump so I'd hope the Blazers could squeeze at least one future 1st and a couple of 2nd's out of their massive collection. I wonder if they'd be interested in a Grant for Giddey + more picks addition (after July 1)
 
wizenheimer said:
I'm pretty skeptical Utah would want both Kessler + Clingan

but if Clingan slips to 7, and the Blazers are interested in trading down:

with Chicago: #7 for #11 + Portland's pick back + future lottery protected 1st? too much?

with Memphis: #7 for #9 + whatever the value is for moving up 2 slots?

with OKC: moving up from 12 to 7 in a lottery is a significant jump so I'd hope the Blazers could squeeze at least one future 1st and a couple of 2nd's out of their massive collection. I wonder if they'd be interested in a Grant for Giddey + more picks addition (after July 1)
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I'd swap places with the Jazz for Kessler. Kessler is the better prospect and likely better long-term NBA player.

7 (Clingan) for Kessler + 10 (Williams)
 
BigGameDamian said:
I thought we were still tanking?
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What have we done that indicates that the team has intended to tank? It traded Dame, but we ended up with veterans (Williams, Brogdan) that we've held onto. We re-signed Grant and Thybulle.

By picking Sharpe and Scoot, we've indicated we're not willing to sacrifice the future for the present, but that's not the same as being committed to a tank/rebuild.

We have not rushed back our injured guys, which I guess is in-season tanking, but I am not personally convinced that Cronin and the Blazers are willing to intentionally go through the pain that a tank/rebuild will actually take.
 
Mediocre Man said:
Ayton, Reath and Clingan doesn’t make a ton of sense to me, unless they think one can slide to PF
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Not that I am advocating for Clingan, but out of those 3 I think Reath could do it. Not against every team, but a lot of them.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Not that I am advocating for Clingan, but out of those 3 I think Reath could do it. Not against every team, but a lot of them.
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He quick of feet enough imo. He reminds of ZBO a bit. His energy and shooting touch.
 
I would trade Ayton in a heartbeat if we got Clingan -- He might not be any better and taking out the money factor at least he would give it his all 100% unlike Ayton who I think we are lucky if we get 100% -- 25 to 50% of the time
 
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