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AquaXI said:
https://ripcityproject.com/posts/tr...rtland-move-up-2024-nba-draft-donovan-clingan


I'd rather take a talent at 7 then Edey at 14 for the price of Clingan. Hoping this rumour is false.
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I think there is a good chance it is false. Sure these 3 teams could be looking to move up, but are they really telling people who they want to move up for?
That would be pretty stupid.


"There's chatter around the league that teams such as Portland, Memphis and Chicago might look to move up to draft Clingan earlier than this... Clingan brings size, length, defensive prowess, nonstop intensity and passing ability along with a back-to-back national championship pedigree. He has plenty of room for growth alongside the Blazers' core at just 20 years old."
 
Kinda depends what we'd give up for him. But he has the chance to be a transformative player, even if not an exciting one. Comparisons with Walker Kessler and (the about to be very rich) Isaiah Hartenstein seem appropriate, and getting a genuine contributor out of a draft like this should probably be regarded as a very solid move.

I seem to recall a large percentage of this board really hating the idea of drafting Chet Holmgren. Clingan is definitely not as mobile or as versatile as Holmgren, but he's also taller and not a walking stick-insect. And he's still very young, despite being a 2-time national champion.

Comparisons to Zach Collins are probably forthcoming: Collins had two main flaws: (1) constantly injured, and (2) drafted instead of Bam Adebayo. But if he'd've stayed healthy he'd've been a very solid player.
 
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I hope this rumor is true, IF..

The Blazers have identified 3 players they realy want, and they fit our needs and compliment the skill sets of the choosen core group.

Pick 14 has about the same chance of landing a rotation player as picks in the second round.

Hoping one of your top 3 players drops to 7, is a long shot.

I am all in for trading 7&14 to move up to 3. It greatly increases the odds we land someone decent out of this first round. Otherwise, last years tank could turn into a total waste.
 
I’m totally fine with consolidating two fairly unexciting picks and a player we don’t want back next year for the 3 if it gives us a guarantee we get one of the guys we want.
 
Everything Beagle said:
I’m totally fine with consolidating two fairly unexciting picks and a player we don’t want back next year for the 3 if it gives us a guarantee we get one of the guys we want.
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If they can throw in a second-rounder for this draft, I'd be golden, because frankly I'm more excited for the second-round players in this draft than the top of the draft. I honestly believe that more than one player from this second round will be better in the long run than at least one player in the top seven.
 
Remember when Olshey moved up to 10 for Collins?.....sorry to ruin your day .

Kinda reminds me of that trade. There was some decent starters picked after that in that year.
 
AquaXI said:
https://ripcityproject.com/posts/tr...rtland-move-up-2024-nba-draft-donovan-clingan

I'd rather take a talent at 7 then Edey at 14 for the price of Clingan. Hoping this rumour is false.
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I guess it depends on the cost of moving up, right?

I am not as confident as some that Clingan will develop into a good shooter (this has been kicked around in other threads) and without a perimeter jumper, I just wonder what his place is in the NBA. I suspect some in the media (and some fans) give him extra credit for being on back-to-back NCAA championships, but that won't necessarily get you on the court.

But he's big and he's young and he's evidently skilled in just about everything other than shooting, so if he became a passable perimeter shooter, he would presumably be worth a top-7 pick. Giving up (much) value to move up? That strikes me as a bad gamble.
 
Ed O said:
I guess it depends on the cost of moving up, right?

I am not as confident as some that Clingan will develop into a good shooter (this has been kicked around in other threads) and without a perimeter jumper, I just wonder what his place is in the NBA. I suspect some in the media (and some fans) give him extra credit for being on back-to-back NCAA championships, but that won't necessarily get you on the court.

But he's big and he's young and he's evidently skilled in just about everything other than shooting, so if he became a passable perimeter shooter, he would presumably be worth a top-7 pick. Giving up (much) value to move up? That strikes me as a bad gamble.
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I would not want to give away 14 to move up for him. But if he is considered to be a good defender (in the NBA) and he continues to shoots 65% from the paint, I think teams can wait on his perimeter shooting. This clip at least gives hope that he can improve....at least from mid range.

https://www.instagram.com/draftexpress/reel/C7rhPlFMZ7q/
 
If it's Houston trading #3, I honestly doubt if we have what they want. I doubt they want TWO other LOWER draft picks when their reason for trading it is that they want a rotation player to compete NOW. And they don't have players with a large enough salary to parcel with their pick so we can give them Grant or Ant or Brogdon (and who knows if Timelord will play again).
 
RR7 said:
That slow release on the 3 gives me serious Meyers Leonard, I can a shoot these, but only if I'm wide open because I have to gather and think vibes.
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Most players should not be shooting 3s unless they are wide open, so the slow release for centers never bothered me because they usually are wide open.
 
RR7 said:
That slow release on the 3 gives me serious Meyers Leonard, I can a shoot these, but only if I'm wide open because I have to gather and think vibes.
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Saw the same thing. No pressure slow shots.
 
Don't get me wrong ....I really don't mind him at 7 so long as we don't give up 14 also.
 
I'd rather draft one of these guys:

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Great defender. Just park him under the basket and have him shouting, "Today is a good day to die."
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Kinda depends what we'd give up for him. But he has the chance to be a transformative player, even if not an exciting one. Comparisons with Walker Kessler and (the about to be very rich) Isaiah Hartenstein seem appropriate, and getting a genuine contributor out of a draft like this should probably be regarded as a very solid move.

I seem to recall a large percentage of this board really hating the idea of drafting Chet Holmgren. Clingan is definitely not as mobile or as versatile as Holmgren, but he's also taller and not a walking stick-insect. And he's still very young, despite being a 2-time national champion.

Comparisons to Zach Collins are probably forthcoming: Collins had two main flaws: (1) constantly injured, and (2) drafted instead of Bam Adebayo. But if he'd've stayed healthy he'd've been a very solid player.
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Donvan Clingan compared to any white player that ever existed really. I see him as being like a 7'2 Mark Price.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Meyers' three point shooting wasn't the problem with Meyers.
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it was a problematic Meyers loop.

Why was a 7'1" Center, who was built like a truck, toeing the line and shooting feathery soft jumpers from 25 feet out?

Is it because the Blazers drafted (then overpaid) a Center who had 0 hands, could not catch a pass while moving, and was graded low on basically every NBA big man fundamentals?

I think Leonard dropped 30 in a losing playoff game. He was the only Blazer that could hit buckets on that night. The occasional "wow" game allowed a small following of Meyers fans to say Portland wasn't using him correctly.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Most players should not be shooting 3s unless they are wide open, so the slow release for centers never bothered me because they usually are wide open.
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Jokic does it all the time. Slow release and he's lethal. He was drafted in the 40's, was slow and lumbering.
 
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Pinwheel1 said:
Most players should not be shooting 3s unless they are wide open, so the slow release for centers never bothered me because they usually are wide open.
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Maybe so. But if he's only able or willing when he is wide, wide open, then it isn't really the benefit of opening the floor for a guard in a pick and roll that it would be from someone who can get the shot off quicker. Jokic is a threat and helps with spacing because he's capable of getting off a 3 quickly and with ok accuracy. Same with Brook. And because of that, a big stays a little closer than they might otherwise.
Thus my Leonard comparison. He only took them when he was wide open because he generally just couldn't get that shot off otherwise.
 
1. His value on D is turning guys away from the rim — see Joel Przybilla when he slimmed down from bulking up. Already at 280, Clingan needs to get stronger — legs, leverage, core, upper — without too much additional weight.
2. Prz was allergic to the ball away from the rim in the paint unless it was a dunk — until he significantly improved on free throws and then he called for the ball (4th season in Portland at 68%). That’s not a problem for Clingan. Clingan’s free throws will come along, IMHO. His outside shooting can wait a couple years. 8-years-in for Brooke Lopez. Season 5 in Phoenix for Channing Frye (and a change of scenery).
3. Wherever he is drafted, let him be a Big and what he is for 2-3 years.

EDIT: With that said, I’ll be extremely surprised if Portland drafts a center at 7, 14, or trades up for any center (other than Sarr).
 
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