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Rastapopoulos said:
Granted he's no Adam Morrison. But I think the bust potential with him is higher than people think. I think they're focusing on him being 23 and thus ready to plug-and-play. But (a) he only had one year of top-level college ball, and (b) he was the focus of the offense in a way he's not going to be even on as shitty an NBA team as Portland. I'm much more interested in players like Tristan da Silva or Baylor Schleierman (?) who've shown they can be (in the latest ubiquitous jargon) a "connecting piece," because that's what they'll be in the NBA. The optimistic view is Dan Majerle, but Majerle was a hard-as-nails hockey-playing all-Defense guy. Is Knecht that guy?
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Again, he is not my pick at 7, but the fact that he was the focus of their offense meant the other teams were focused on stopping him.....and they couldn't. I feel better about that than someone who shot well because he was the 3rd option on a team.

He does have "connecting" type skills as well since he was also asked to play the point at times. Not that those skills are good enough to play PG in the NBA but for a wing....not bad. As for his D, I agree he is no Dan Majerle, but on offense he is a much better mid range shooter.

The reason I would not take him at 7 is because to me he is more of a guard than a SF....and I prefer to swing for the fences on a forward. I would take Buzelis, Williams, and Holland over him.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
I prefer to swing for the fences on a forward. I would take Buzelis, Williams, and Holland over him.
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I'm not mad about any of those. Buzelis and Holland can't shoot and G-League Ignite seems to make players worse than when they arrived (Houston's Green is only just recovering) and Williams is worryingly delicate and doesn't rebound. I don't want any of those 4 at 7, to be honest. I'd go with Topic just because I think he has greater star potential than all of the above. Or Salaun because he's bigger and hasn't been tainted by the G-League.

(Buzelis, I'm pretty sure, will be gone by 7. I'm scared of Holland - he strikes me as being Thomas Robinson level possible disappointment.)
 
Rastapopoulos said:
I'm not mad about any of those. Buzelis and Holland can't shoot and G-League Ignite seems to make players worse than when they arrived (Houston's Green is only just recovering) and Williams is worryingly delicate and doesn't rebound. I don't want any of those 4 at 7, to be honest. I'd go with Topic just because I think he has greater star potential than all of the above. Or Salaun because he's bigger and hasn't been tainted by the G-League.
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I am not convinced that Buzelis "can't shoot". Yes his 3 pt stats sucked last year, but he did shoot it well in HS and his shooting stroke looks just fine. Your point about the G-league Ignite is more of a positive than a negative to me. Young players can rebound from that one year with them. They did not ruin them forever.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Young players can rebound from that one year with them. They did not ruin them forever.
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We better hope so, for Scoot's sake.

Buzelis is probably my first choice of the ones you listed, but, again, he's a lock for the top six.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Buzelis is probably my first choice of the ones you listed, but, again, he's a lock for the top six.
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It looks that way because of the reported Detroit ties. But if they elect to go another way, I don't see Charlotte being the best fit for him. He could slip. The key for us will be Clingan. We need him to go in the top 6 along with one other player besides
Sarr, Risacher, Sheppard, Castle .
 
History is littered with unskilled plodding bigs who busted soon after getting drafted in the top 10.

Clingan isn't the type of big who is worth moving up for.

Please let Washington take him 2 and forget about this guy.
 
illmatic99 said:
Vecenie said Clingan projects to be a top 10 center.

Andrew Bogut was named as a possible comp.
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Yeah I've heard the Bogut comps, but it's a much slower version of Bogut and less offensive skill.

Just not sure Bogut would be near as impactful in today's game let alone 10 years from now when Clingan peaks. Center was a very different position in 2005.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Clingan is the player with the highest floor. He's 100% not going to be Anthony Bennett. He certainly doesn't have as high a ceiling as other players, but the bust potential in this draft is HIGH, so Clingan is a safe harbor.
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That's fine for a team needing a role player now for the playoffs. Blazers aren't there and won't be for many years so this type of player is nearly irrelevant to them.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
That's fine for a team needing a role player now for the playoffs. Blazers aren't there and won't be for many years so this type of player is nearly irrelevant to them.
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1. Any player that will make it less likely that we get blown out by 60 again is a good choice.
2. A bust is even less relevant to the Blazers. You want to get stuck paying Anthony Bennett for the length of a rookie contract? A player that is of use to ANY team is of use to us because, apart from anything, you can then TRADE HIM FOR VALUE.

I'm happy to be proved wrong, but Holland screams bust to me.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Yeah I've heard the Bogut comps, but it's a much slower version of Bogut and less offensive skill.

Just not sure Bogut would be near as impactful in today's game let alone 10 years from now when Clingan peaks. Center was a very different position in 2005.
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bogut having played next to Steph iggy dray and klay does so much heavy lifting when you mention his name, lol.
 
Samuel said:
the upside guys have bust potential this year. all of them, even sarr. the bust reasons are each unique snowflakes.
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Actually other than Wemby and Miller, last year's top 7 could still be busts too. I mean Scoot could still be a bust as could the Thompson twins if none of them improve their shooting. Sure they will still have long careers...... but from off the bench. Anthony Black and Bilal Coulibal round out the top 7. Who knows about them.
 
I’m hoping we get Ware at 14. Clingan doesn’t excite me at all.
 
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SheedSoNasty said:
I’m hoping we get Wade at 14. Clingan doesn’t excite me at all.
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Or maybe we just use a 2nd round pick on a center. I would check out Dante's medical report and if it looks good I would take him and his 7'5.5 wingspan (and 9'5 standing reach) at 40.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Or maybe we just use a 2nd round pick on a center. I would check out Dante's medical report and if it looks good I would take him and his 7'5.5 wingspan (and 9'5 standing reach) at 40.
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What ended up happening to him? I know there was something going on with his eligibility and the NCAA. Is he declaring?
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Or maybe we just use a 2nd round pick on a center. I would check out Dante's medical report and if it looks good I would take him and his 7'5.5 wingspan (and 9'5 standing reach) at 40.
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It's hard to get exited about a 5th year senior but he is still only 22 and when you look at those numbers, 17.0 points, 9.2 rebounds, 1.9 blocks and 1.7 steals in 31.4 minutes and his measurables, 7’5.5 wingspan and 9’5 standing reach , one wonders.....
I don't know if this is a positive or a negative: "Still learning the game, figuring out where to be on the court and which rotations to make on D."
His raw numbers are better than Clingan but he played almost ten minutes a game more. TRB% Clingan 19.7, Dante 17.3. BLK% Clingan 11.7 to Dante 6.6 but Steal % Dante 3.2 to Clingan's 1.42
 
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UKRAINEFAN said:
It's hard to get exited about a 5th year senior but he is still only 22 and when you look at those numbers, 17.0 points, 9.2 rebounds, 1.9 blocks and 1.7 steals in 31.4 minutes and his measurables, 7’5.5 wingspan and 9’5 standing reach , one wonders.....
I don't know if this is a positive or a negative: "Still learning the game, figuring out where to be on the court and which rotations to make on D."
His raw numbers are better than Clingan but he played almost ten minutes a game more. TRB% Clingan 19.7, Dante 17.3. BLK% Clingan 11.7 to Dante 6.6 but Steal % Dante 3.2 to Clingan's 1.42
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Oh yeh and Dante shot .695 to Clingan's .650 Definite not saying he is better than Clingan, just giving some perspective.
 
I am starting to wonder if the Blazers have been trying to put Clingan's name out there when that was just a smokescreen and the guy they really want is Z.Risacher or Sarr at 3 and maybe there is already a deal in place or close to in place . I am prolly wrong but we shall see cannot wait for next week.
 
Ripcity4life77 said:
I am starting to wonder if the Blazers have been trying to put Clingan's name out there when that was just a smokescreen and the guy they really want is Z.Risacher or Sarr at 3 and maybe there is already a deal in place or close to in place . I am prolly wrong but we shall see cannot wait for next week.
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We can hope.
 
Driew said:
Don't think it's necessarily hype but just shows this draft class is a total crap shoot and there's no clear number 1.
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I don't understand why Sheppard isn't the clear #1.

Best shooter to come out in years, good handle and good passing, decent defense. He's more of a lock to be a good rotational player than anyone in this draft.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
I don't understand why Sheppard isn't the clear #1.

Best shooter to come out in years, good handle and good passing, decent defense. He's more of a lock to be a good rotational player than anyone in this draft.
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Probably the same reason Dame was a #6 pick ... 6'2" tall.
 
what if we are trying to move up for Castle. Move Ant and roll out Sharpe/Scoot/Castle as the back court.
 
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