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calvin natt said:
When he allows people on who are racist (he will) in the name of “free speech” , thereby tolerating it, he is supporting it, or agreeing with it. We will have to wait and see. The excuse of “free speech” to allow hate speech will be common. He’s already made plenty of statements on his own about his thoughts on the matter. Why is it that the MAGA people are so excited about Musk buying Twitter? Hm.
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MAGA people get excited about all kinds of stupid stuff. They aren't often very logical...

Is the argument that the 1st Amendment is racist because it allows people to say what they want?

I think the argument to allow everything the law allows is reasonable. I'm not sure how it will work, but it does seem like a reasonable position to take. If we don't like it we can change the law. If it turns twitter into a cesspool he'll lose a ton of money and there will be an opportunity for a newer and better network to take over.

Who cares? It's his money....

But people are saying he's a racist. So I'm asking for actual evidence to support that.
 
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Phatguysrule said:
MAGA people get excited about all kinds of stupid stuff. They aren't often very logical...

Is the argument that the 1st Amendment racist because it allows people to say what they want?

I think the argument to allow everything the law allows is reasonable. I'm not sure how it will work, but it does seem like a reasonable position to take. If we don't like it we can change the law. If it turns twitter into a cesspool he'll lose a ton of money and there will be an opportunity for a newer and better network to take over.

Who cares? It's his money....

But people are saying he's a racist. So I'm asking for actual evidence to support that.
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Free speech is great. Hate speech isn’t. Racism isn’t. Misinformation isn’t. That’s why we are in this predicament. Massive amounts of misinformation being spread without any ramifications. Musk sure seems like he wants almost anything to go under the guise of free speech. We will have to wait and see. If this happens, and he thinks it’s ok, I will continue to call him racist.
 
Chris Craig said:
I would like to see this too. I haven't seen any direct racist behavior from him.

I will say it looks like he is going to allow racism on Twitter, and if he does then he makes himself part of that.
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I think he has to be careful with that. Twitter already has guidelines of what they believe is dangerous speech.

If Musk comes in and changes that and a bunch of hate crimes start happening, fueled by Twitter, Musk will be held liable.

It's hard to believe he'd so foolishly jeopardize everything else he's working on.
 
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calvin natt said:
Free speech is great. Hate speech isn’t. Racism isn’t. Misinformation isn’t. That’s why we are in this predicament. Massive amounts of misinformation being spread without any ramifications. Musk sure seems like he wants almost anything to go under the guise of free speech. We will have to wait and see. If this happens, and he thinks it’s ok, I will continue to call him racist.
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Oh yeah, you're more than free to call him racist. I have no problem with that.

I was just hoping there was some clear evidence I could read up on. Even if it were second hand it would be an interesting read.
 
jonnyboy said:
The bigger response seems to be people like you crying about it, which in turn excites the MAGA people.
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This is actually a solid point, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if it were that simple.

They are so desperate for something, anything, legitimate to further their cause (which appears to be to piss liberals off) that they behave like the sheep they claim liberals are...
 
Phatguysrule said:
This is actually a solid point, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if it were that simple.

They are so desperate for something, anything, legitimate to further their cause (which appears to be to piss liberals off) that they behave like the sheep they claim liberals are...
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There are a boatload of so-called "MAGA" people who aren't so MAGA anymore. Including myself. At any, rate, there will be a non-Democratic POTUS in 2024. Book it, Danno.
 
ABM said:
There are a boatload of so-called "MAGA" people who aren't so MAGA anymore. Including myself. At any, rate, there will be a non-Democratic POTUS in 2024. Book it, Danno.
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Well, if you aren't out there jumping on every "Let's Go Brandon" train you probably aren't following the MAGA crowd like Mary's little lamb.

I always thought Biden would have trouble winning a 2nd term. He's a populist president who's never been very popular, and has a history of supporting unpopular policies.

I can only assume the DNC thought he'd die his first term and they'd get to try and make Kamala Harris popular... Which would be tough, but probably easier than keeping Biden popular.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Well, if you aren't out there jumping on every "Let's Go Brandon" train you probably aren't following the MAGA crowd like Mary's little lamb.

I always thought Biden would have trouble winning a 2nd term. He's a populist president who's never been very popular, and has a history of supporting unpopular policies.

I can only assume the DNC thought he'd die his first term and they'd get to try and make Kamala Harris popular... Which would be tough, but probably easier than keeping Biden popular.
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Most people weren't really thinking about his second term when he was voted in. Most saw him as a place holder to get Trump out. I think many hoped he would not rerun for a second term, which he is doing.

I like many others were hoping for him not to run again and for a new primary. But, I will vote for him again over Trump or DeSantis. I'll take another four years of boring old dude, over the cesspool either of them would bring.

I think alot of Democrats want new blood. Younger fresh candidates that represent a new generation and new ideas.
 
Chris Craig said:
Most people weren't really thinking about his second term when he was voted in. Most saw him as a place holder to get Trump out. I think many hoped he would not rerun for a second term, which he is doing.

I like many others were hoping for him not to run again and for a new primary. But, I will vote for him again over Trump or DeSantis. I'll take another four years of boring old dude, over the cesspool either of them would bring.

I think alot of Democrats want new blood. Younger fresh candidates that represent a new generation and new ideas.
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Agreed. As will I. No choice, unfortunately.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Oh yeah, you're more than free to call him racist. I have no problem with that.

I was just hoping there was some clear evidence I could read up on. Even if it were second hand it would be an interesting read.
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The “evidence” is his eagerness to give them a pass using the free speech card. If/when that happens. If you allow it to happen you support it.
 
calvin natt said:
Free speech is great. Hate speech isn’t. Racism isn’t. Misinformation isn’t.
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Too bad the left has completely trivialized these terms by applying them to literally anything they disagree with. It’s hard to pretend you like free speech while keeping your justifications for censorship completely ambiguous.
 
jonnyboy said:
Too bad the left has completely trivialized these terms by applying them to literally anything they disagree with. It’s hard to pretend you like free speech while keeping your justifications for censorship completely ambiguous.
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There is nothing ambiguous or trivial about it. Don't say racist shit. Don't say hateful shit. Why is that so hard? Why is it necessary to say any of the those things? Why are people on the right so bent on saying them? Just because they can? Sounds like a pretty stupid reason.
 
calvin natt said:
Seems pretty straight forward to me. What’s confusing you?
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It seems straightforward to you because the people you disagree with politically are the ones generally getting censored. Now that ONE single major platform is offering a more open discourse without fringe left gatekeeping, you’re already screaming things like hate speech, racism and misinformation before any policies have even been changed. It’s really transparent why the left is pissed about this, they no longer have a politically biased ally on a major platform who is willing to impose strict censorship over vague interpretations of vague terms like “hate speech”.
 
Chris Craig said:
There is nothing ambiguous or trivial about it. Don't say racist shit. Don't say hateful shit. Why is that so hard? Why is it necessary to say any of the those things? Why are people on the right so bent on saying them? Just because they can? Sounds like a pretty stupid reason.
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Nobody is bent on saying racist things, they are tired of being called racist for not towing a political line. Regular ass people are being called nazis and fascists in the year 2022 for completely dubious reasons. It’s stupid.
 
ABM said:
There are a boatload of so-called "MAGA" people who aren't so MAGA anymore. Including myself. At any, rate, there will be a non-Democratic POTUS in 2024.
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Because a majority of Americans voted for one, or because of the MAGA takeover of election officials happening at an alarming rate in swing states?

At any rate, I hope to God that Trump is the Republican nominee, although I have to say I doubt he'll really run. (But maybe if he thinks it's the only way to escape his legal troubles?)
 
Chris Craig said:
I think alot of Democrats want new blood. Younger fresh candidates that represent a new generation and new ideas.
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That's what Kamala Harris was supposed to be. But the Right has done such an effective hatchet job on her (they're good at that, to make up for not being good at governing) that she's radioactive.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
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Which one of those other companies first committed to building cars with completely different drive trains which are 75% more efficient than the others? Which one is changing the auto manufacturing and sales process compared to others?

Oh, right... It's almost like one of these companies is not like the others...
 
Rastapopoulos said:
That's what Kamala Harris was supposed to be. But the Right has done such an effective hatchet job on her (they're good at that, to make up for not being good at governing) that she's radioactive.
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Lol, she's not likeable. She's a woman and she's a minority. That's where her good qualities end.

The DNC will not support a good Democrat because a good Democrat would gut the DNC and completely change it.
 
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