Religion Muslims getting their kicks

[PtldPlatypus]

How about a discussion of how all the various verses of the Koran work together to form a complete theology?

I think many people here "get" the Bible and Christianity. I only see cherry picking of selected verses, as I have done with the bible, with the intent of painting the religion as a threat to humanity.

You'd have to talk to someone who is adequately acquainted with the content of the Koran in order to do that. I am not that person, nor do I profess to be. I haven't made any comments or claims regarding the Koran's teachings; I'm only equipped to exigete those of the Bible.

 

[Denny Crane]

You'd have to talk to someone who is adequately acquainted with the content of the Koran in order to do that. I am not that person, nor do I profess to be. I haven't made any comments or claims regarding the Koran's teachings; I'm only equipped to exigete those of the Bible.

What's the point of this thread, if not bomb throwing, hatred instigating against Muslims?

The act of the very few do not at all reflect the truth about the people. Just as the abortion clinic bombers don't represent all Christians.

The people throwing these bombs are thumping their bibles hard and it really needs to be pointed out that anyone can cherry pick from their own "good book" and find whatever they want in it.

I have no beef with your choices regarding your belief system. If it helps you sleep at night, more power to you. Just don't force it on me or anyone else is all I ask. And don't pretend it's more righteous than anyone else - that's an outright insult, ya know?

 

[PtldPlatypus]

What's the point of this thread, if not bomb throwing, hatred instigating against Muslims?

The act of the very few do not at all reflect the truth about the people. Just as the abortion clinic bombers don't represent all Christians.

The people throwing these bombs are thumping their bibles hard and it really needs to be pointed out that anyone can cherry pick from their own "good book" and find whatever they want in it.

I have no beef with your choices regarding your belief system. If it helps you sleep at night, more power to you. Just don't force it on me or anyone else is all I ask. And don't pretend it's more righteous than anyone else - that's an outright insult, ya know?

Good question about the thread. Perhaps you should pose it to the person who started it. My only commentary herein has been regarding the intentional mischaracterization of Biblical scripture.

It is amusing, however, that the person who started this thread with which you take such issue is an avowed atheist, and the person who has made the most claims regarding Islam is a self-described agnostic, yet you reserve your greatest vitriol for Bible-thumping Christians. Perhaps your outrage is misdirected.

 

[Denny Crane]

I didn't mischaracterize anything. I quoted the scripture in question verbatim. I don't need someone to explain away the beating religion into someone with a rod to mean something less violent, thanks.

The person who started this thread is anti-religion, period.

You might look at the actual youtube page and see the kinds of things people post in response to it. Like this one.



Christian?

And, the people in the video aren't necessarily acting on any religious motive. The Brittish conquered them and occupied their lands, installed dictators before leaving, and the like. When they were finally free of those things, they wanted to wipe out any remnants of the occupiers.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I didn't mischaracterize anything. I quoted the scripture in question verbatim.

Sure you did, but you're not interested in hearing how you mischaracterized Christ's words, you're only interested in using them for your own agenda, so I'll leave you to it.

Have a nice day.

 

[magnifier661]

Good question about the thread. Perhaps you should pose it to the person who started it. My only commentary herein has been regarding the intentional mischaracterization of Biblical scripture.

It is amusing, however, that the person who started this thread with which you take such issue is an avowed atheist, and the person who has made the most claims regarding Islam is a self-described agnostic, yet you reserve your greatest vitriol for Bible-thumping Christians. Perhaps your outrage is misdirected.

As I've stated, Denny and other atheists, will overlook any and all inhumanity another group in their ideology, but will generalize an entire group for the acts of a small group in a theist's ideology.

If Denny truly wanted to have a decent discussion, his responses to you would be much different.

 

[magnifier661]

Just the opposite, Mags.

I don't judge ALL Christians or ALL Muslims because of abortion clinic murderers or other terrorist acts. I'll settle for being a heathen. Is that another word for "infidel?"

And I don't judge atheists for the terrible acts of the communists or other in their group that do terrible inhuman acts.

So what's your point? Do you read anything in what I've said that proclaims Muslims are all evil? Talk to your atheist brother that started this thread.

 

[Denny Crane]

Sure you did, but you're not interested in hearing how you mischaracterized Christ's words, you're only interested in using them for your own agenda, so I'll leave you to it.

Have a nice day.

How is a verbatim quote mischaracterizing anything?

There are dozens if not hundreds of similar verbatim quotes I could provide.

All you keep suggesting is you have a way to explain it away.

 

[Denny Crane]

And I don't judge atheists for the terrible acts of the communists or other in their group that do terrible inhuman acts.

So what's your point? Do you read anything in what I've said that proclaims Muslims are all evil? Talk to your atheist brother that started this thread.

MarAzul is not an atheist brother.

Nor are all the talking heads on Fox News that spew religious bullshit and anti-Muslim hate speech.

 

[magnifier661]

MarAzul is not an atheist brother.

Nor are all the talking heads on Fox News that spew religious bullshit and anti-Muslim hate speech.

Maris61 is... I said "who started it", not "who you decided to argue with".

And don't think it's just Fox News that spews the anti-Muslim hate news. Are you reaching here?! And I like how you didn't even properly respond to my statement about the generalization of an ideology, ignore if you will. This is your tool. And generalizing Fox News is just more proof on how you ignore and generalize

 

[Denny Crane]

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/fox-news-top-five-islamophobic-smears



I cannot stomach the channel anymore due to it's constant bible thumping and anti-muslim themes. Frequent use of the term "religion of peace" as if to mock the billions of followers. It's gone from being a conservative news outlet (which is fine) to a glorified 700 club and KKK-like hate mongering platform.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Fine--I'll give you one post:

• Matthew 25:41--Yes, those who reject Christ will be subject to eternal punishment. Of course the point of that parable (Matt. 25:31-46) is that devotion to God while ignoring your fellow man is false religion, a notion that is consistent throughout the New Testament.
• Romans 2:6-8--In the context of the chapter, those who are under the law and seek to justify themselves by the law will be condemned through the law. Fortunately, as is also detailed in the book of Romans, those who place their faith in Christ are no longer under the law, but are under grace.
• Proverbs 23:14--Quite obviously advice to not withhold discipline from children. Corporal punishment is indicated because it was the standard practice for the time. The point is discipline, not violence.

Nowhere in those verses does the Bible say what you originally posited, which was "Obey the church or burn in Hell". That was the mischaracterization with which I first took issue, and which remains unsupported because it is not a scriptural position.

 

[magnifier661]

The same can be said for Muslims.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

I went back and re-read your entire arguments.

1st, the Atheist started this thread (Maris), then an agnostic/atheist (blazercaravan) responded, then you went "ham" with your anti-Christian rant before a single theist chimed in.

But here is the funny thing. You are defending the Muslim faith, using historical crusades from centuries ago of atrocities made by Christians, only further putting down Muslims.

You have become quite the bigot Denny. You claim you support equality, but your statement about Muslims and comparing them to ideology that was practiced hundreds of years ago only supports your belief that Muslims are lower than you. Your digs on Christians also support your bigotry on theism.

Such a hypocrite

 

[Denny Crane]

Fine--I'll give you one post:

• Matthew 25:41--Yes, those who reject Christ will be subject to eternal punishment. Of course the point of that parable (Matt. 25:31-46) is that devotion to God while ignoring your fellow man is false religion, a notion that is consistent throughout the New Testament.
• Romans 2:6-8--In the context of the chapter, those who are under the law and seek to justify themselves by the law will be condemned through the law. Fortunately, as is also detailed in the book of Romans, those who place their faith in Christ are no longer under the law, but are under grace.
• Proverbs 23:14--Quite obviously advice to not withhold discipline from children. Corporal punishment is indicated because it was the standard practice for the time. The point is discipline, not violence.

Nowhere in those verses does the Bible say what you originally posited, which was "Obey the church or burn in Hell". That was the mischaracterization with which I first took issue, and which remains unsupported because it is not a scriptural position.

 

[Denny Crane]

I went back and re-read your entire arguments.

1st, the Atheist started this thread (Maris), then an agnostic/atheist (blazercaravan) responded, then you went "ham" with your anti-Christian rant before a single theist chimed in.

But here is the funny thing. You are defending the Muslim faith, using historical crusades from centuries ago of atrocities made by Christians, only further putting down Muslims.

You have become quite the bigot Denny. You claim you support equality, but your statement about Muslims and comparing them to ideology that was practiced hundreds of years ago only supports your belief that Muslims are lower than you. Your digs on Christians also support your bigotry on theism.

Such a hypocrite

I do not defend any faith. What a moronic interpretation of my position yet again.

I fully admit I hope that Reason finally trumps belief in fairy tales.

 

[magnifier661]

I do not defend any faith. What a moronic interpretation of my position yet again.

I fully admit I hope that Reason finally trumps belief in fairy tales.

But you have, your reading and writing comprehension is the problem. But it's pretty apparent you aren't all there when you suspected marazul started this thread.

 

[magnifier661]

So here's another generalization of an entire ideology based on one man's view? So I can represent the entire "atheist ideology" based on Stalin as well?

 

[Denny Crane]

But you have, your reading and writing comprehension is the problem. But it's pretty apparent you aren't all there when you suspected marazul started this thread.

I suspected no such thing.

I did respond to MarAzul. His logic is only slightly worse than yours.

As far as comprehension goes, do you not get the difference between respecting Muslims and defending Islam?

Way over your head, apparently.

Muslims are people like you and I. Get it? They're not some monolithic bunch of Islamofascists, as Fox News would call them.

 

[Denny Crane]

So here's another generalization of an entire ideology based on one man's view? So I can represent the entire "atheist ideology" based on Stalin as well?

He's a Christian, cherry picking from the Bible.

it's what way too many Christians do.

 

[magnifier661]

I suspected no such thing.

I did respond to MarAzul. His logic is only slightly worse than yours.

As far as comprehension goes, do you not get the difference between respecting Muslims and defending Islam?

Way over your head, apparently.

Muslims are people like you and I. Get it? They're not some monolithic bunch of Islamofascists, as Fox News would call them.

Wrong marazul didn't respond until after you went ham on Christians. So once again, your fairytale arguments are exposed.

You're just a bigot Denny... Admit it

P.S. Why bring up "Fox News"? Only person that brought them up is you. And I like how you say the network are Christians as well. How many of them actually admit they are? Oh yeah! Another generalization by you. I see why you don't believe in God because you live in your own private fairytale! Lol

 

[magnifier661]

He's a Christian, cherry picking from the Bible.

it's what way too many Christians do.

Stalin cherry picked atheist ideology too. Can I generalize and be a bigot like you? Btw, the Chinese and Russian communists outweigh any "many Christians" that you keep harping on.

 

[Denny Crane]

How many people watch Fox News?



Is this news they actually covered?



As for my bigotry, you bet. I have little tolerance for someone pushing religion over reality.

I have less tolerance for pushing one's religion because the bunch of people who believe in a different one are "fascists" (or insert other insult here).

 

[magnifier661]

How many people watch Fox News?



Is this news they actually covered?



As for my bigotry, you bet. I have little tolerance for someone pushing religion over reality.

I have less tolerance for pushing one's religion because the bunch of people who believe in a different one are "fascists" (or insert other insult here).

And what's your point? Did anyone use "Fox News" on here besides you? Why not start a thread about how silly Fox News is, since that has no relation to this thread or our debate?

Glad you can admit you're a bigot. Knowledge is the first step to recovery.

 

[Denny Crane]

And what's your point? Did anyone use "Fox News" on here besides you? Why not start a thread about how silly Fox News is, since that has no relation to this thread or our debate?

Glad you can admit you're a bigot. Knowledge is the first step to recovery.

The problem is I have more then enough knowledge that my position is grounded in reality.

And you keep bringing up the uber failed Communist thing as if making the bogus claim twice or more makes it somehow not bogus.

 

[magnifier661]

The problem is I have more then enough knowledge that my position is grounded in reality.

And you keep bringing up the uber failed Communist thing as if making the bogus claim twice or more makes it somehow not bogus.

Thanks again for making this easy for me. I should let you argue with yourself more often. You seem to bury yourself better than anyone else can all on your own.

I think there is hope for you Denny. This has been the first time I've ever seen admitting your faults!

 

[Denny Crane]

I accept your surrender.

 

[magnifier661]

The fact that you think you've won after this series of events.

1.) being wrong about who started this thread

2.) admitting bigotry

3.) Admitting racism, since you just admitted that you have no tolerance for Muslims.

4.) Generalizing an entire ideology off of a couple links from a small group of people

5.) Using Fox News! <--- this tops the cake

 

[Denny Crane]

The fact that you think you've won after this series of events.

1.) being wrong about who started this thread

You're wrong.

2.) admitting bigotry

You bet.

3.) Admitting racism, since you just admitted that you have no tolerance for Muslims.

Only in your fevered imagination.

4.) Generalizing an entire ideology off of a couple links from a small group of people

Demonstrated that what's good for the goose is good for the gander.

5.) Using Fox News! <--- this tops the cake

I guess this one made you butthurt.

 

[magnifier661]

You're wrong.

Really??? Lmao

MarAzul is not an atheist brother.

Nor are all the talking heads on Fox News that spew religious bullshit and anti-Muslim hate speech.

You bet.

thank you

Only in your fevered imagination.

you say you are a bigot to theism, including Muslims no? Muslims are a what makes Arabs just like Judism is what makes Jews Jews.

Demonstrated that what's good for the goose is good for the gander.

Yep, just like I can use Stalin as the generalized ideology of atheists.

I guess this one made you butthurt.

why would I be butt hurt about you bringing up Fox News? I don't even watch it!!! Hahaha

The funny thing is you've used Fox News a lot in political debates with Barfo. Maybe it's you that is butt hurt?

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Muslims are a what makes Arabs just like Judism is what makes Jews Jews.

I love you Mags, but I don't think you could be more wrong on this point if you tried.