My gun license proposal (2 Viewers)

[huevonkiller]

they haven't passed a law. I get that. Hence the discussion.
And if it's not a living document, why is it not then still just applicable to the white male property owners it was initially written for? Why the need to AMEND it.

The Constitution doesn't matter, btw, it is just convenient that it concurs with Denny.

 

[Denny Crane]

they haven't passed a law. I get that. Hence the discussion.
And if it's not a living document, why is it not then still just applicable to the white male property owners it was initially written for? Why the need to AMEND it.

It HAS been amended. 17 times since the Bill of Rights. The 14th makes it not applicable to white male property owners anymore. That was almost 150 years ago.

Banning guns would be akin to prohibition. They passed an amendment to ban alcohol, then went about going from door to door in every place in every state confiscating everyone's alcohol and the facilities to make it.

 

[Denny Crane]

Oh yeah, they have passed numerous laws regulating gun ownership. The only ones struck down by the courts are the outright bans on all guns.

For example:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_Control_Act_of_1968

 

[MARIS61]

Yes but a guitar doesn't have the ability to hurt or damage like that of a gun or car.

Of course it does. I could easily kill you with my Fender Lead1, in fact I could take out a large crowd with it in a matter of seconds.

Same with a ballpoint pen. Or a garden rake. Or a wire coat hanger. Or a branch broken off a tree. Or a section of my fishing pole. Or a bicycle pump. Or a broomstick. Or a rock. Or a credit card. Or a flower vase. Or a can of gasoline. Or a bottle of bourbon. Or a tent stake or pole. Or a skate board. Or an eating utensil. I could do this forever, but you get the picture.

I could kill you with nearly anything in your current field of vision except your shadow, but you're probably afraid of that, too.

Lucky for you that most people, including myself, would only kill someone in self-defense. Murder is a rare occurrence in America, and has fallen dramatically since the assault weapons ban expired.

Mass shootings are committed by crazy people, and early recognition and treatment programs would not only eliminate mass shootings entirely, but also turn would-be murderers into happy productive Americans.

If you really cared about the victims, you'd be screaming for a tax-funded government crusade to end mental illness in America. Instead, you go after nice people who had nothing to do with it.

 

[magnifier661]

Of course it does. I could easily kill you with my Fender Lead1, in fact I could take out a large crowd with it in a matter of seconds.

Same with a ballpoint pen. Or a garden rake. Or a wire coat hanger. Or a branch broken off a tree. Or a section of my fishing pole. Or a bicycle pump. Or a broomstick. Or a rock. Or a credit card. Or a flower vase. Or a can of gasoline. Or a bottle of bourbon. Or a tent stake or pole. Or a skate board. Or an eating utensil. I could do this forever, but you get the picture.

I could kill you with nearly anything in your current field of vision except your shadow, but you're probably afraid of that, too.

Lucky for you that most people, including myself, would only kill someone in self-defense. Murder is a rare occurrence in America, and has fallen dramatically since the assault weapons ban expired.

Mass shootings are committed by crazy people, and early recognition and treatment programs would not only eliminate mass shootings entirely, but also turn would-be murderers into happy productive Americans.

If you really cared about the victims, you'd be screaming for a tax-funded government crusade to end mental illness in America. Instead, you go after nice people who had nothing to do with it.

I didn't go after anyone. And for one that believes that the gun requirements for getting a gun is fair; you are as crazy as those you want to crusade against.

Owning a gun is a priveledge. And with that comes responsibility. Just like driving a car.

And you can kill people with a pen, hands, gasoline, etc. But how quickly you can kill multiple people like a gun cannot be put in the same sentence. Sorry, but that argument is weak.

And the latest shooting was from guns owned by a gun advocate with a crazy child. If she found a way to lock the guns up properly; then maybe something like this wouldn't have happened at this scale. So yeah, I think proper training, license and registration and liability of those that would be responsible if used by someone not registered is in order.

 

[MARIS61]

It HAS been amended. 17 times since the Bill of Rights. The 14th makes it not applicable to white male property owners anymore. That was almost 150 years ago.

Banning guns would be akin to prohibition. They passed an amendment to ban alcohol, then went about going from door to door in every place in every state confiscating everyone's alcohol and the facilities to make it.

Which, as those of us that studied our country's history know, caused an immediate increase in the availability of alcohol and death by alcohol. Oops.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

Which, as those of us that studied our country's history know, caused an immediate increase in the availability of alcohol and death by alcohol. Oops.

not to mention an entier industry created to import and distribute in an underground environ

 

[magnifier661]

Which, as those of us that studied our country's history know, caused an immediate increase in the availability of alcohol and death by alcohol. Oops.

This is fucking hilarious. You took a revised license and registration proposal and turned it into "Gun Banning". Obviously, you're reading comprehension skills are novice. Show me where I ever said we need to ban guns? In fact, look around and see that I fully support owning guns. What I find extremely scary is I went in and bought a handgun for home protection. Guess what I had to do? Fill out a form and wait for a 10-15 day background check. That's it! 15 days later, I was able to take home my .38 special. It was that easy.

I have a harder time trying to purchase furniture.

EDIT: If I wanted to buy a shotgun, the wait time was much faster too.

 

[RR7]

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I have a harder time trying to purchase furniture.
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Oh come on, that was just you debating which color would look best on mushrooms.

 

[MARIS61]

I didn't go after anyone.

You went after all gun owners.

And for one that believes that the gun requirements for getting a gun is fair; you are as crazy as those you want to crusade against.

I don't believe the requirements for owning a gun are fair. I believe they are illegal.

"Shall not be infringed" is a very clear and unambiguous phrase.

 

[magnifier661]

Oh come on, that was just you debating which color would look best on mushrooms.

Hahahaha nice one RR7. BTW, I picked the nice tie-dye beanie bags

 

[MARIS61]

Owning a gun is a priveledge. And with that comes responsibility. Just like driving a car.

It's a Constitutional right, not to be infringed in any way.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

This is fucking hilarious. You took a revised license and registration proposal and turned it into "Gun Banning". Obviously, you're reading comprehension skills are novice. Show me where I ever said we need to ban guns? In fact, look around and see that I fully support owning guns. What I find extremely scary is I went in and bought a handgun for home protection. Guess what I had to do? Fill out a form and wait for a 10-15 day background check. That's it! 15 days later, I was able to take home my .38 special. It was that easy.

I have a harder time trying to purchase furniture.

EDIT: If I wanted to buy a shotgun, the wait time was much faster too.

ok so what more do you really need? Had you not been able to pass a security check, you would not have recieved your gun..now that you have it do you want to tax it every year? If you feel the need to give more the state, shit , just send them a check, they can use the money. Just dont get the rest of us on board because you have some false concept that this makes some one some where more safe..

 

[magnifier661]

You went after all gun owners.

I went after the inadequacy and ease of purchasing guns. But yes, gun owners would be effected; but if they are responsible Americans; they would be fine with a revised registration process.

I don't believe the requirements for owning a gun are fair. I believe they are illegal.

"Shall not be infringed" is a very clear and unambiguous phrase.

Kinda like when the president violates the law about having a budget?

 

[magnifier661]

It's a Constitutional right, not to be infringed in any way.

Well shit Maris. Fuck the background checks then. Just have the guns on the shelves of the Safeway and Albertsons then. I mean every citizen shouldn't be infrindged right?!?!

 

[MARIS61]

And the latest shooting was from guns owned by a gun advocate with a crazy child. If she found a way to lock the guns up properly; then maybe something like this wouldn't have happened at this scale. So yeah, I think proper training, license and registration and liability of those that would be responsible if used by someone not registered is in order.

The owner and the shooter were already properly trained, licensed and regulated. The owner is dead so liability is your strawman in this argument.

As you admit, the shooter was crazy, so the only preventative measure that makes sense is universal mental health care.

 

[magnifier661]

ok so what more do you really need? Had you not been able to pass a security check, you would not have recieved your gun..now that you have it do you want to tax it every year? If you feel the need to give more the state, shit , just send them a check, they can use the money. Just dont get the rest of us on board because you have some false concept that this makes some one some where more safe..

I want to know that as long as you don't have a felony; that it's not the only true requirement of owning a gun.

 

[magnifier661]

The owner and the shooter were already properly trained, licensed and regulated. The owner is dead so liability is your strawman in this argument.

As you admit, the shooter was crazy, so the only preventative measure that makes sense is universal mental health care.

Ahhhh no strawman. Because if there was a regulation already giving stricter punishments on gun owner's responsibilities; then maybe that owner would have made better precautions of keeping them locked up.

 

[MARIS61]

And you can kill people with a pen, hands, gasoline, etc. But how quickly you can kill multiple people like a gun cannot be put in the same sentence. Sorry, but that argument is weak.

Nonsense. With a ballpoint pen in a crowded mall one could kill a person at the rate of one per second fairly easily. Because it's quiet you could probably continue doing it for quite awhile before people realized what was going on. Gas in a mall or theater would potentially kill hundreds of people.

Gun control advocates aren't very bright people, and evidently incapable of detailed analysis of a problem.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

Well shit Maris. Fuck the background checks then. Just have the guns on the shelves of the Safeway and Albertsons then. I mean every citizen shouldn't be infrindged right?!?!

as a matter of fact, up through the 1940s and 1950s there were a lot of places that had guns for sale like that..


one other thing to think about, there are pllaces like NY that you are not allowed to own a gun..check out all of the deaths by shooting..

 

[MARIS61]

What I find extremely scary is I went in and bought a handgun for home protection. Guess what I had to do? Fill out a form and wait for a 10-15 day background check. That's it! 15 days later, I was able to take home my .38 special. It was that easy.

Easy? I count 15 days your family was defenseless against a home invasion. Guess you don't mind risking your family's lives for an empty gesture of paperwork compliance.

 

[RR7]

one other thing to think about, there are pllaces like NY that you are not allowed to own a gun..check out all of the deaths by shooting..

While the murder rate by firearm is slightly higher in NY than in the US as a whole, it is odd to see that the percentage of murders by handgun are well below the national average, (68%-57%), and their rates of robberies and assaults with a firearm are well below the national average. The US average for each: 39.25 robberies, 43.77 assaults, per 100,000. NY is at 23.28 and 20.06, respectively.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

I want to know that as long as you don't have a felony; that it's not the only true requirement of owning a gun.

ok back to the mental health issue...amend to make it harder to own a gun if you are crazy....or place the seller in a position that like a bar he is responsible for a resonable amount of time , I dont know where you would start of stop with this reasoning

 

[MARIS61]

Hahahaha nice one RR7. BTW, I picked the nice tie-dye beanie bags

People like you who admit illegal drug use, especially hallucinogens, would of course have their guns confiscated. Under current Oregon State laws, anyone who grows or sells marijuana can have their guns confiscated and their right to own one taken away. Anyone applying for a gun license currently signs a federal form stating they do not use any Federally illegal drugs. This applies to legal medical marijuana patients also. Lying on this form is perjury and carries a lengthy jail sentence.

So you committed the crime of perjury when you bought your .38, and if the Feds read your posts on this forum they will be carting you off to jail for it.

Hugely hypocritical for you to propose more gun laws when you yourself purposely violate them.

 

[MARIS61]

I went after the inadequacy and ease of purchasing guns. But yes, gun owners would be effected; but if they are responsible Americans; they would be fine with a revised registration process.

If the 1%ers were responsible Americans, they would be fine with a revised tax structure that left them with the same net income as the average American.

See how that works?

 

[MARIS61]

Well shit Maris. Fuck the background checks then. Just have the guns on the shelves of the Safeway and Albertsons then. I mean every citizen shouldn't be infrindged right?!?!

Right.

 

[Denny Crane]

While the murder rate by firearm is slightly higher in NY than in the US as a whole, it is odd to see that the percentage of murders by handgun are well below the national average, (68%-57%), and their rates of robberies and assaults with a firearm are well below the national average. The US average for each: 39.25 robberies, 43.77 assaults, per 100,000. NY is at 23.28 and 20.06, respectively.

In NYC, you are literally within a few blocks of a major hospital no matter where you are. If you are shot, you will get to the emergency room and treated faster than in most other places (less populated cities, rural, etc.).

 

[MARIS61]

Ahhhh no strawman. Because if there was a regulation already giving stricter punishments on gun owner's responsibilities; then maybe that owner would have made better precautions of keeping them locked up.

1. Nobody has said they were not locked up.

2. As her son, and a regular user of the guns, he would most likely have a key to the gun safe.

3. No gun safe is burglarproof, and even a fairly secure one can cost thousands of dollars.

 

[RR7]

In NYC, you are literally within a few blocks of a major hospital no matter where you are. If you are shot, you will get to the emergency room and treated faster than in most other places (less populated cities, rural, etc.).

ok. good to know. point?

 

[Denny Crane]

ok. good to know. point?

Relates to your data about % of murders by handgun in NY.

People who survive aren't counted in that stat. Get it?