My Problem With Nic

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Are you drunk? If you read literally anything i've posted on the subject you would know that i'm not pointing to this as an isolated incident. What Batum being a french speaking player has to do with any of this, i'll never know. It's not just what he said, it's what his teammates said to, and once again this isn't an earth shattering revelation, he's been like this for multiple years. He has made it a pattern to disappear and require outside motivation/pep talks/ what ever you want to call it to step up and take over a game. And no, I didn't think your post was about me personally, I responded as someone who is in the same school of thought as the OP as well as others.

Nate - I agree that it's just who Nic is, and i'm more than happy with how good he plays. I have almost(it's hard to commit to it when he shows flashes of being so dominant) accepted that he is what he is. What Batum does as a member of the Trailblazers is exceptional, what I think he's capable of perhaps he will never reach. Is that okay? To an extent sure, I can't be upset with how well he's playing but knowing that he could be even better is a bit bothersome to me.

Ever play/coach/officiate organized hoops? This is simple communication given to a player who was struggling.

It literally happens EVERY game. All of you are REALLY reaching for something to complain about.
 
Sorry if this article has been posted.

"Zero points. 0-for-3 and three turnovers was his statline at the end of the first two quarters. Not to mention his assignment on the defensive end being Durant, was scoring at will with 22 first half points. Batum had disappeared. He was nonexistent and quite frankly, he was a burden to the team."

http://www.csnnw.com/blazers/batums-flight-arrives-second-half-thanks-jackson-help-durant
Disappeared? Nonexistent? Burden? Whatever moron wrote that doesn't know shit about basketball. What a douche.
 
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Maybe Aldridge wrote it since he teased Batum that he must have missed the bus for the first half . . .
 
Disappeared? Nonexistent? Burden? Whatever moron wrote that doesn't know shit about basketball. What a douche.

What else would you call his "performance" in the first half of that game?
 
What else would you call his "performance" in the first half of that game?
Valiant? He was guarding the second toughest player to guard in the entire NBA, on a third game in four nights (four games in five nights) road trip, on the annointed one's home court. If my hyperbole was as extreme as the jerk-off who wrote that, then mission accomplished.
 
My problem with these kind of "my problem with x player" threads is that they're usually exercises in cherry picking. Something gets said by a player or coach that fits with the poster's preconceived notion of a "problem" with a given player and that quote, even if taken completely out of context, becomes validation for the preconceived "problem". In this case, Aldridge's comment to Nic was clearly intended to motivate and encourage a guy who is essential to the Blazers' success, who was at the time getting his butt kicked by one of the best players in the league, and who was discouraged by not seeing his own shots drop. The motivation and encouragement worked and the Blazers won a game they would probably otherwise have lost. Seems like we ought to be happy about that. Nic's played very well this year and is a key to the success the team has attained.
 
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Wow. Haynes really isn't that bright, is he...
Remember how he got worked during the Kahn hi-jinx? Haynes has repeatedly supported your above statement over the last couple of years. I think Drama Queen Quick is smarter and better.
 
Nic is so underrated. Wish some of you would watch him play instead of looking at just the boxscores
 
Nic is so underrated. Wish some of you would watch him play instead of looking at just the boxscores

This... I may have been a little hard on him in the past, but this season has been wonderful so far. There is so much he gives this team that doesn't show up in the box score.

If you watch games and closely pay attention, anyone with half a brain would realize just how important he is to this team
 
This... I may have been a little hard on him in the past, but this season has been wonderful so far. There is so much he gives this team that doesn't show up in the box score.

If you watch games and closely pay attention, anyone with half a brain would realize just how important he is to this team

Nic is our backup PG, just without the title. Heck, he probably passes better then Lillard (isn't a better overall PG though).
 
Again, i'm not dissatisfied with his overall game. His ability as a defender, facilitator, rebounder, turnover creator, all of those things are very nice. Having said that, do you really need your coach/teammates to come tell you to "turn it to 11", or should he be able to figure it out on his own? When your team is down double digits, the 3s aren't falling, percentages in general are down, as a veteran why would it take someone else notifying you to step up? MY perception is that he's content just playing his game, watching Lillard and co. continue to miss shots and not be assertive. Now I understand this also falls on Stotts for scheming, playcalling and what have you, but no one should have to coax assertiveness out of him. It's not JUST this quote that led me to this conclusion, it's been happening for years. Even with what he's giving the Blazers, Nic is an exceptional player, but I think he could be a lot better than he all ready is, honestly.

One of the biggest reasons for the Blazers record has been the consistent play of Wes and Nic. He's been inconsistent in past years. This year, no. Does he have bad games like every other athlete in the world, I imagine so. Nic is a glue guy, so the scoring fluctuates but he does other things. As to your assertiveness comments, that's exactly why this starting five works well together, because guys like Lopez and Nic don't always have to be assertive in shooting the ball in order to help them win. This comment doesn't mean he can't become assertive on his own, he's just explaining what happened this time and giving his teammates some props.

I can't imagine if people dissected all of my sentences like this. (not you, but others in this thread) It's funny and sad at the same time.
 
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This... I may have been a little hard on him in the past, but this season has been wonderful so far. There is so much he gives this team that doesn't show up in the box score.

If you watch games and closely pay attention, anyone with half a brain would realize just how important he is to this team

The pick and rolls with Nic and Rolo are a thing of beauty.
 
This... I may have been a little hard on him in the past, but this season has been wonderful so far. There is so much he gives this team that doesn't show up in the box score.

If you watch games and closely pay attention, anyone with half a brain would realize just how important he is to this team

No one in this thread has said different.
 
Since this seems to be the thread to air complaints about our favorite frenchman I'll lay mine out here. Batum is a turnover machine. Dame has the ball 6.9 mpg and gets 2.3 to per game, Nic has the ball 1.8 mpg and gets 2.6 to per game. That is atrocious. His turnovers are extremely costly to the team. Nic has a varied skill set and is very talented but he does not have the mentality to make full use of it. Nic is 25 years old now, the he's young and still learning the game argument needs to stop. This is a scouting report from February 4, 2008:
Batum should be topping this chart, he should have taken this edition of the Euroleague by storm. Nobody, not a single player, comes close to combining his physical gifts and skill repertoire. Instead, we’re hearing an already familiar tune: inconsistency, a certain lack of character and… perhaps some softness(?) mixed in with stretches of impressive play that only a freakish athlete like him is capable of deliver.

Unlike Gallinari, Batum hasn’t been able to emerge as the team leader Le Mans needed in order to overcome a pretty forgettable regular season (2-12 record), especially considering the very poor situation they had at the point guard position and the excellent creative skills Nicolas enjoys. But he barely ever came up aggressive enough to command his team’s offensive efforts for long periods. He wasn’t fearless enough attacking the basket, and his jumper is still a work in progress. And particularly, he disappeared again from the court in crunch time with concerning regularity--which didn’t help his team avoid some painfully close losses.

However, whenever he figured things out, he really impressed with his abilities. The guy can be simply unstoppable, able to create his own shot at will, to easily set up his teammates for easy baskets, to play lock down defense taking advantage of his freakish wingspan and athleticism, and come up with a slew of highlights in the form of blocks, dunks, long-range off-the-dribble shots, etc.

Batum needs to realize that he’s the clear-cut best player on his team, and start playing accordingly. It would be a crime to waste such an impressive collage of basketball goods. Indeed, he should be a lock for the lottery, but even if we can easily project him there, there’s no solid ground to protect him from slipping, given the concerns his game draws.


From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com#ixzz2pHekH53e
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ponderguy said:
Since this seems to be the thread to air complaints about our favorite frenchman...

And there you have it.

It seems a few kids have to make a new thread every time they see something they don't like about the Blazers or a Blazer player they are trying to live vicariously through. So when they write Batum doesn't have the mentality, what they are really thinking is they wish they could be Batum, and think they could do better. Get a life of your own please and stop complaining. It's immature.
 
The thing about Batum is he hit a certain level and he's generally been there since. I think that's why people get frustrated with him.

The big difference is assists have gone up, but with that you get a less assertive Nic Batum, leading him to turn down open shots/lanes to the basket at times. That's how he's decided to play though so it's the norm now.

Role player/glue guy, but a player that won't make the all-star roster unless he improves in certain areas of his game (the biggest area being his mental approach). His talent is good, but it's never been star quality like a Paul George. I think it was a year ago I had Paul George pegged as the next breakout star in the NBA and there were posters telling me Nic is arguably even with him, and that they'd rather have Nic based on advanced stats or whatever. Unfortunately for them there's no advanced stat for talent. Paul George obviously had more if you ever watched him play.

In the end Nic is Tayshaun Prince and not Shawn Marion

Or...gasp...

Scottie Pippen

Batum isn't either of those guys. He's better than both of them at passing and in clutch shooting at line and from three. Batum is one of a kind. One of like 11 people to ever get a 5 x 5 in the history of the league. With Lillard and Aldridge as top scorers, we don't need him to be Paul George. We need him to be Nic Batum. He's doing great.



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He's doing great.

Fully agree. He has been amazing. My only criticism, and it seems to be a common one is that he doesn't always have the same killer instinct on offense that he almost always has on defense, it's just frustrating because he has so much potential to score high numbers.
 
Batum isn't either of those guys. He's better than both of them at passing and in clutch shooting at line and from three. Batum is one of a kind. One of like 11 people to ever get a 5 x 5 in the history of the league. With Lillard and Aldridge as top scorers, we don't need him to be Paul George. We need him to be Nic Batum. He's doing great.
Well typed.
 
Nic is so underrated. Wish some of you would watch him play instead of looking at just the boxscores

Great post. I've always been a proud Nico supporter. He does so many great things on the court and is so versatile. This new distributing wrinkle to his game is just icing on the cake.
 
This thread blew up.

I think Nic is a very graceful basketball player. He is very fundamentally sound and he means a ton to this team. And more than I think he recognizes. I like the man...wasn't out to ruin him. But there is more there. And when your team game after game is losing or winning a game by a point or two, I think it's time to make the decision to step up the game on your end. For the record, I have no interest in Melo.

I digress from here.
 
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