My way too early 2025-26 Blazers Rotation

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JDC said:
Rough sketch of it...

Tisse, Yang and Murray will get their opportunities during Jrue and Rob Will load management / injuries / b2b rest days. And obviously more so if Grant is moved.

Scoot (30)/ Jrue (18)
Jrue (12) / Shea (31)/ Tisse (5)
Camara (32) / Deni (12) / Tisse (4)
Deni (20) / Grant (28)
Clingan (26) / Williams (16) / Yang (6)
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You don't even know how Shaedon's name is spelled. SMH
 
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SharpesTriumph said:
This is all based on what I think will happen, not what Id do as coach:

Agree on Deni Camara, they both start and are seemingly our two best players. Can't remember when that last was two forwards for the Blazers.

Clingan I think starts over Yang regardless of how they play - don't want to rush Yang into anything. Timelord might play the best per minute but won't play B2B and should be a backup, with us just super happy if he can string together a healthy stretch.

Jrue starts over Scoot regardless, unless he's hurt or such.

So it all comes down to that last starting spot with Grant vs Sharpe. Perhaps Scoot can get in the mix if he plays exceptional but it's going to be harder for him as I think the team would prefer one of him/Jrue off the bench.

I expect Grant to be the 5th starter. But really I see the main competition being Grant vs Sharpe.
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Yeah, I just don't know. If this is the roster which it likely will be then Scoot and Shaedon will have to have made huge jumps forward to outperform Jrue and a pretty big jump forward to outperform Jerami both of who are coming off of down seasons and probably feel they have something to prove.

I wouldn't put it past Scoot or Shae to make that big leap forward in play, I wouldn't put it past either of those two vets to fend them off to keep their starting position and at the same time I wouldn't put it past Father Time to hold those two vets back. We'll have to wait and see.

I'm not going to like it but I think it's more probable that Scoot and Shaedon will start the season coming off of the bench than either of them starting.
 
JDC said:
Rough sketch of it...

Tisse, Yang and Murray will get their opportunities during Jrue and Rob Will load management / injuries / b2b rest days. And obviously more so if Grant is moved.

Scoot (30)/ Jrue (18)
Jrue (12) / Shae* (31)/ Tisse (5)
Camara (32) / Deni (12) / Tisse (4)
Deni (20) / Grant (28)
Clingan (26) / Williams (16) / Yang (6)
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Should be 280 mpg if we're projecting the season mpg - that was what the main Blazers rotation had last year. Few players play close to 82 games.

If I had my choice;

Scoot 32 Jrue 30
Sharpe 28 Grant 28
Camara 32 Thybulle 18 Rupert 14
Deni 32 Timelord 20
Clingan 26 Yang 20
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Should be 280 mpg if we're projecting the season mpg - that was what the main Blazers rotation had last year. Few players play close to 82 games.

If I had my choice;

Scoot 32 Jrue 30
Sharpe 28 Grant 28
Camara 32 Thybulle 18 Rupert 14
Deni 32 Timelord 20
Clingan 26 Yang 20
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I was just going off the 240 minutes available in a game, obviously rest and injuries are going to affect season long mpg.
 
JDC said:
I was just going off the 240 minutes available in a game, obviously rest and injuries are going to affect season long mpg.
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People normally post a 240min player breakdown but I think this is super misleading as it makes it appear that we have a massive minutes crunch - which outside a couple weeks to start the season doesn't end up being the case for the vast majority of the year.

Dame Jrue Scoot Sharpe have missed an average of 81 games per year between them. So having all 4 effectively averages into a 3 man rotation.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Congratulations. I think I gave up worrying about convincing you of anything many years ago.
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no need for condescension...

by the way, the pace was higher 40 years ago than it was last season.

median pace: 1984-85 - 102.0....2024-25 - 98.9
highest pace: 1984-85 - 107.6....2024-25 - 103.3
lowest pace: 1984-85 - 98.8....2024-25 - 95.7

the average pace in 1977 when the Blazers won the championship was 107.2. The highest pace was 111.8; lowest was 100.0. The Blazers were at 108.0.

Pace dropped way down in the 90's as defenses maxed out contact, hand checking, and hard fouls on defense. But if you think the Bad Boys Pistons, or the Jordan/Pippen/Rodman Bulls, or Pat Riley's Knicks, or Drexler's Blazers didn't play with major intensity didn't watch

but sure....keep on believing that earlier eras just had players loafing all over the floor
 
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wizenheimer said:
and there you go getting all condescending again

by the way, the pace was higher 40 years ago than it was last season.

median pace: 1984-85 - 102.0....2024-25 - 98.9
highest pace: 1984-85 - 107.6....2024-25 - 103.3
lowest pace: 1984-85 - 98.8....2024-25 - 95.7

the average pace in 1977 when the Blazers won the championship was 107.2. The highest pace was 111.8; lowest was 100.0. The Blazers were at 108.0.

Pace dropped way down in the 90's as defenses maxed out contact, hand checking, and hard fouls on defense. But if you think the Bad Boys Pistons, or the Jordan/Pippen/Rodman Bulls, or Pat Riley's Knicks, or Drexler's Blazers didn't play with major intensity didn't watch

but sure....keep on believing that earlier eras just had players loafing all over the floor
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Just go watch old games and focus on guys defending away from the ball compared to today games. Totally different intensity.

Pace doesn't make a game more intense.

Look at the miles ran by the Pacers players in the playoffs. Look at how exhausted great defenders were on OKC and Indy of those finals with 2 days of rest.

80s/90s NBA was not close to as physically demanding as the game today. Hell good players like Vlade were smoking cigarettes back then.
 
Now I do think there was more bruising and bully ball back then. But today's teams with deadly 3pt shooting and far more athletic defenders would smoke those prior era with either set of rules.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
80s/90s NBA was not close to as physically demanding as the game today.
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and...you just said it again

I did watch the NBA in the 70's, 80's, and 90's. The court hasn't changed, the shot clock hasn't changed. The 70's and 80's had higher pace than the last 10 years. The average pace 10 years ago was 93.9. 10 years before that it was 90.8. Ten years before that it was 92.7.

the Showtime Lakers would have crushed the Pacers. So would have Bird's Celtics. Jordan's Bulls would have done the same. And the bad boys Pistons. Trying to defend those teams was the epitome of "physically demanding". As far as intensity, Bird, Magic, Jordan, Malone, Stockton, Pippen, Laimbeer, Moncrief, Malone, Barkley, Lever, David Robinson, Hakeem....those guys were every bit as intense as anybody playing today, and they weren't alone
 
Wizard Mentor said:
I don't think so, but maybe I'm a homer. Most of us are used to "Lillard or Simons or somebody, save us in the 4th quarter". Our new team is based on "player movement, ball movement" in order to get better shots. This is remarkably similar to the '77 Blazers who played a brand of basketball some of us have really missed.
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Sounds good. Hope to see it.

THE HCP said:
This is why I’m blown away that people are happy DA is gone. He’s better than all our other centers COMBINED!
With him and Ant gone….. at least next years draft is strong!
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Lol. We're not getting a good pick next draft.

CJ_is_Gone said:
ALL starting spots should be earned.
IMO, neither Scoot nor Sharpe has done enough to earn the right to start.

Having said that, IMO - Grant lost his right to start. The four best players are clearly Deni, Camara, Clingan, & Holiday. It should be an open competition for that 5th starter (Scoot, Sharpe, or Grant).
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There are exactly two players who have earned a starting spot more than Scoot or Sharpe. Deni and Camara (Jrue, if he's healthy).
 
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wizenheimer said:
and...you just said it again

I did watch the NBA in the 70's, 80's, and 90's. The court hasn't changed, the shot clock hasn't changed. The 70's and 80's had higher pace than the last 10 years. The average pace 10 years ago was 93.9. 10 years before that it was 90.8. Ten years before that it was 92.7.

the Showtime Lakers would have crushed the Pacers. So would have Bird's Celtics. Jordan's Bulls would have done the same. And the bad boys Pistons. Trying to defend those teams was the epitome of "physically demanding". As far as intensity, Bird, Magic, Jordan, Malone, Stockton, Pippen, Laimbeer, Moncrief, Malone, Barkley, Lever, David Robinson, Hakeem....those guys were every bit as intense as anybody playing today, and they weren't alone
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Actually the shot clock has changed, it's 14 seconds now instead of the offense pounding the ball for 24.

Training, health, skills training are all greatly advanced in the last 40 years. Your kidding yourself if you think those prior eras could compete against the best teams today.

Those old teams never had to deal with 5 3pt shooters spreading the court. They'd have no idea how to guard Jokic hitting 40% threes and dropping dimes.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Actually the shot clock has changed, it's 14 seconds now instead of the offense pounding the ball for 24.

Training, health, skills training are all greatly advanced in the last 40 years. Your kidding yourself if you think those prior eras could compete against the best teams today.

Those old teams never had to deal with 5 3pt shooters spreading the court. They'd have no idea how to guard Jokic hitting 40% threes and dropping dimes.
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Wut? The shot clock is 24 seconds today.
 
Amended: Scoot, RW injured

Holiday
Sharpe - Thybulle
Tou - Murray
Deni - Grant
Clingan - Yang

I think they'll give Murray some more rope and play him in front of Rupes.
 
Wizard Mentor said:
Amended: Scoot, RW injured

Holiday
Sharpe - Thybulle
Tou - Murray
Deni - Grant
Clingan - Yang

I think they'll give Murray some more rope and play him in front of Rupes.
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I will now amend my win prediction then from 35 to 30. #BAM
 
There are just too many unknowns. Once teams start tanking POR could rattle off additional wins easily but it wouldn’t mean much in the grand scheme of things.
 
PDXFonz said:
I just hope we get to see
Sharpe
Tou
Deni
Grant
Yang

Minutes together this year
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I would say that with Rob not even being cleared yet and pretty likely to spend some of the season injured even after he's cleared that Yang will spend a good amount of the season as the second C on our depth chart. Then there's the fact that you listed 4 of our seven best players on the roster before you listed Yang. So I think we will likely see a lot of minutes of that group on the floor together this season.

I guess the one way we might not is if once Scoot is healthy that he looks good enough that we don't have many minutes when Scoot or Jrue aren't running the point.

I do like that lineup for it's athleticism, switchability outside of Yang and size.
 
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