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trailblazer18 said:
Big Gulps huh? Welp, see ya later..
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‘Free Hong Kong’ signs and chants get fans kicked out of NBA game — in Philadelphia

A married couple said they were kicked out of Tuesday’s exhibition game between the 76ers and the Guangzhou Loong-Lions of the Chinese Basketball Association in Philadelphia for displaying signs that read “Free Hong Kong” and “Free HK” and then shouting the former slogan after security officers took their signs away.

Sam Wachs, a Philadelphia resident who said he lived in Hong Kong for two years, told NBC 10 that Wells Fargo Center security officers first confiscated their signs and then kicked him out along with his wife after they yelled “Free Hong Kong” in the second quarter.

“We were just sitting in our seats near the Chinese bench,” Wachs said.


“We were saying, ‘Free Hong Kong,’ " Wachs continued. “What’s wrong with that?”

In a statement to The Post, the 76ers said a number of fans had complained about the two fans’ “continuing disruption.”

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2019/10/09/free-hong-kong-signs-chants-get-fans-kicked-out-nba-game-philadelphia/
 
It’s actually pretty sad the NBA is pandering to a large market for money by trying to hush up people who speak out against atrocities. China is a straight up authoritarian state and has zero credibility in human rights.

I don’t think I’ll purchase League Pass this year. I will happily stream all the games illegally. The NBA can make up their money in China.
 
There are reports stating that a severe drop in the salary cap is not out of the question.
 
GDiama said:
There are reports stating that a severe drop in the salary cap is not out of the question.
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The Dame/CJ extensions might absolutely destroy our flexibility if the cap doesn't increase or drops. If this China thing has a massive effect on the cap, I would hope for a provision in the CBA to allow for some leeway here.
 
illmatic99 said:
The Dame/CJ extensions might absolutely destroy our flexibility if the cap doesn't increase or drops. If this China thing has a massive effect on the cap, I would hope for a provision in the CBA to allow for some leeway here.
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If the cap drops for next season, wouldn't that decrease the value of Dame's extension?
 
SlyPokerDog said:
‘Free Hong Kong’ signs and chants get fans kicked out of NBA game — in Philadelphia

A married couple said they were kicked out of Tuesday’s exhibition game between the 76ers and the Guangzhou Loong-Lions of the Chinese Basketball Association in Philadelphia for displaying signs that read “Free Hong Kong” and “Free HK” and then shouting the former slogan after security officers took their signs away.

Sam Wachs, a Philadelphia resident who said he lived in Hong Kong for two years, told NBC 10 that Wells Fargo Center security officers first confiscated their signs and then kicked him out along with his wife after they yelled “Free Hong Kong” in the second quarter.

“We were just sitting in our seats near the Chinese bench,” Wachs said.


“We were saying, ‘Free Hong Kong,’ " Wachs continued. “What’s wrong with that?”

In a statement to The Post, the 76ers said a number of fans had complained about the two fans’ “continuing disruption.”

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2019/10/09/free-hong-kong-signs-chants-get-fans-kicked-out-nba-game-philadelphia/
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I went to a Blazers game in SLC, sporting a Blazers jersey. There were several jazz fans causing a “continuing disruption.” Security
did not kick them out of the game or even consider it - nor should they have. Coming onto the court is a disruption. Chanting "Free HK"
is not.
#Lame
 
PtldPlatypus said:
If the cap drops for next season, wouldn't that decrease the value of Dame's extension?
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Isn't it based on this year's cap? I know it's a percentage but the year is confusing. If it's next, then it won't matter if the cap drops
 


hmmm....15% and the cap would be dropping from 109M this season to 99M. The tax line would be 121M. A lot of teams, including Portland, would be in real binds

seems pretty extreme though

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https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-nb...op-due-to-situation-with-china-003037770.html

"A drop in the cap would also impact the starting figures for maximum salary contracts, which range from 25 to 30 to 35 percent of the cap."

that seems to go to what the platypus said about Dame's contract. A 15% drop would move his supermax 1st year salary from 43.8M down to about 37.2M. It probably wouldn't affect CJ's new contract though
 
Wizard Mentor said:
I went to a Blazers game in SLC, sporting a Blazers jersey. There were several jazz fans causing a “continuing disruption.” Security
did not kick them out of the game or even consider it - nor should they have. Coming onto the court is a disruption. Chanting "Free HK"
is not.
#Lame
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What about "Make America Great Again?" chants?

Its a slippery slope when it comes to mix politics and the fan experience. There should be zero tolerance, because then the events just become places for protestors to attention whore for themselves.
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
What about "Make America Great Again?" chants?

Its a slippery slope when it comes to mix politics and the fan experience. There should be zero tolerance, because then the events just become places for protestors to attention whore for themselves.
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As much as I want to support Hong Kong in this, I've always been very firm in my belief of leaving politics and social issues out of sports for this very reason.
 
wizenheimer said:


hmmm....15% and the cap would be dropping from 109M this season to 99M. The tax line would be 121M. A lot of teams, including Portland, would be in real binds

seems pretty extreme though

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https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-nb...op-due-to-situation-with-china-003037770.html

"A drop in the cap would also impact the starting figures for maximum salary contracts, which range from 25 to 30 to 35 percent of the cap."

that seems to go to what the platypus said about Dame's contract. A 15% drop would move his supermax 1st year salary from 43.8M down to about 37.2M. It probably wouldn't affect CJ's new contract though
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The key word is starting. Dame's contract is set in value the moment he signs. That's why he could've potentially made even more if he waited to sign but that looks like it could go the opposite way. So max contracts signed next summer would be better value for the team then any signed this summer under this scenario.

I've been saying for years the NBA needed to change this to always be a percentage of the cap so every 30% player makes the same amount. Instead like last year you have max players like Kawhi, Klay, and Jimmy Butler making around $20 million on max deals and others like Otto Porter making $25-$30 million.
 
Jade Falcon said:
As much as I want to support Hong Kong in this, I've always been very firm in my belief of leaving politics and social issues out of sports for this very reason.
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yeah, If I'm paying good money for seats and some fuckface starts chanting about hong kong:

1. I'm telling them to shut the fuck up.
2. If they don't shut the fuck up, I'm going to assault them.
 
wizenheimer said:


hmmm....15% and the cap would be dropping from 109M this season to 99M. The tax line would be 121M. A lot of teams, including Portland, would be in real binds

seems pretty extreme though

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https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-nb...op-due-to-situation-with-china-003037770.html

"A drop in the cap would also impact the starting figures for maximum salary contracts, which range from 25 to 30 to 35 percent of the cap."

that seems to go to what the platypus said about Dame's contract. A 15% drop would move his supermax 1st year salary from 43.8M down to about 37.2M. It probably wouldn't affect CJ's new contract though
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It could have a huge effect on what Whiteside gets...
 
hoopsjock said:
The key word is starting. Dame's contract is set in value the moment he signs. That's why he could've potentially made even more if he waited to sign but that looks like it could go the opposite way. So max contracts signed next summer would be better value for the team then any signed this summer under this scenario.

I've been saying for years the NBA needed to change this to always be a percentage of the cap so every 30% player makes the same amount. Instead like last year you have max players like Kawhi, Klay, and Jimmy Butler making around $20 million on max deals and others like Otto Porter making $25-$30 million.
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Dame's new contract hasn't started yet though. Why shouldn't the new cap figure impact the starting value of a contract that starts that year?
 
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