OT NBA Finally Ready To Make Rule Change On Hack-A-Player (1 Viewer)

[riverman]

The fact of the matter is it's letting poor free throw shooters off the hook when this rule is changed.
There are Middle school & High school Teams that shoot better at the FT line than some NBA players.
When this rule gets changed to stop allowing Hack-A it's going to reduce the skill level for NBA players.
It won't matter if you've put the work in to become a good FT shooter.
There are clear flaws in the form & release of a poor free throw shooter at any level of basketball.
It shows either NBA teams have not put the effort into giving these players quality shooting coaches.
Or it shows the poor FT shooters in the NBA don't care enough to figure out how to make a FT.

I will forever be against any rule change that lessens the skill level required in basketball.
I loved the change to the hand-checking rule above the FT line because it forces players to have a higher skill level to play defense. Rather than guide a player on the perimeter.
I'd argue fouling a bad FT shooter is playing defense. You still have to get the defensive rebound on a poor FT shooter.
Put the work in, become a good FT shooter.
There have been big men in the NBA that have been great FT shooters. Or have had significant improvement in their FT % year after year.
Blake Griffin for the Clippers improved, DJ hasn't.
Joel Improved for the Blazers over his career because he put in the work.

The answer is get more skilled, not look for a handout.

Lot of valid points but when you state poor free throw shooting is form and coaching...missing free throws to me is 99% mental...how many times have you heard that Dwight Howard makes them in practice but can't under the bright lights. I also don't totally agree that it lets poor free throw shooters off the hook. They're still going to get fouled, just not intentionally. It's like saying a guy can't take a charge...doesn't have the skill, or can't dribble..well rounded players are premium value but reality is...even High School and Middle School teams have poor free throw shooters

 

[BlazerWookee]

How so? How do good free throw shooters make the game more enjoyable?

The better the free throw shooter, the more likely the other team will try a different strategy.

 

[riverman]

The better the free throw shooter, the more likely the other team will try a different strategy.

That's a great point..I just want that to happen within the context of game play, not off the ball bear hugs at half court

 

[BBert]

wow, I've followed baseball since the 50s...I never thought to just not watch!

Man River, Old you are.

 

[BBert]

That's a great point..I just want that to happen within the context of game play, not off the ball bear hugs at half court

I don't want the ref to have to determine what's intentional and what isn't. If there is going to be a rule adjustment, it should be the smallest least impactful thing they can think of to make it slightly less desirable to purposely foul shitty free throw shooters off the ball. Treat all off the ball fouls the same, either 3 to make 2 or take the ball out of bounds or something consistent.

 

[MARIS61]

Adam Silver is pretty much ruining the league.

 

[PDXFonz]

 

[BlazerWookee]

That's a great point..I just want that to happen within the context of game play, not off the ball bear hugs at half court

Then sit the crappy free throw shooter. Simple.

 

[Draco]

I'd rather see a change where the players have one free throw attempt regardless of the foul. So an and1 free throw or technical is worth 1 point; standard foul free throw is worth 2 points and foul while shooting a three has a single three point free throw. They could go to single free throws in the final 2 minutes.

It would significantly speed up the game and make free throws more important instead of something I fast forward through.

 

[tester551]

I don't want the ref to have to determine what's intentional and what isn't. If there is going to be a rule adjustment, it should be the smallest least impactful thing they can think of to make it slightly less desirable to purposely foul shitty free throw shooters off the ball. Treat all off the ball fouls the same, either 3 to make 2 or take the ball out of bounds or something consistent.

Agreed. I think all off-ball fouls when in the penalty - the fouled team should get the choice of 2 FTA or ball out of bounds. All on-ball fouls, they have to take the FTA.

 

[blue9]

Since we're changing the rules all willy-nilly to improve the spectator experience, all non-shooting fouls should be a 1-and-1. Cuts time spent on free throws in half (unless they make the 1st), and gives the trailing team a better chance to catch up and make it exciting at the end. And think of all those rebound scrums!

 

[tester551]

Since we're changing the rules all willy-nilly to improve the spectator experience, all non-shooting fouls should be a 1-and-1. Cuts time spent on free throws in half (unless they make the 1st), and gives the trailing team a better chance to catch up and make it exciting at the end. And think of all those rebound scrums!

I like this idea too.

 

[BlazerWookee]

Why not move the free throw line closer to the hoop, and let the player dunk?

 

[BBert]

Why not move the free throw line closer to the hoop, and let the player dunk?

Haha. Let them choose between a taking a free throw or making a windmill dunk. Over a Kia.

 

[Natebishop3]

They have the option of either shooting the free throws, or answering American historical trivia.

 

[blue9]

I like this idea too.

I made the post as a joke, but I actually kinda like it too!

 

[blue9]

They have the option of either shooting the free throws, or answering American historical trivia.

Then maybe players will think about staying in college a couple more years - that education will finally pay off when they answer a trivia question to win the Finals!

 

[Natebishop3]

Since we're changing the rules all willy-nilly to improve the spectator experience, all non-shooting fouls should be a 1-and-1. Cuts time spent on free throws in half (unless they make the 1st), and gives the trailing team a better chance to catch up and make it exciting at the end. And think of all those rebound scrums!

And if we're changing rules, I would like to stop action, review fouls, and shock the shit out of players that flop. If the foul was legit, they get free throws.

 

[PDXFonz]

Rockets announcers are for this, which should count as a vote against it.

I heard them taking about it during our last game vs them. I can't remember if it was before or after they were wondering how Plumlee got so open... Clyde won a championship how the hell does he not know how a pick and roll works?

 

[Natebishop3]

Rockets announcers are for this, which should count as a vote against it.

I heard them taking about it during our last game vs them. I can't remember if it was before or after they were wondering how Plumlee got so open... Clyde won a championship how the hell does he not know how a pick and roll works?

Of course they're for it..... they have Dwight. I'll just never get over how much they whine about flopping from the other team. It's hilarious.

 

[Draco]

And if we're changing rules, I would like to stop action, review fouls, and shock the shit out of players that flop. If the foul was legit, they get free throws.

I'd like to see review of all fouls and flops; but have it take effect after a stoppage in play. Have a flopin 'n foul possession queue. So if Harden flopped against the Blazers we get an extra possession once they finalize the review. They review while normal play is ongoing. Lets say 40 seconds later the ball goes out of bounds off Plumlee; we get the ball back because we're owed a possession. It would be a bunch of work in Zilcaukas but would be seemless on the court. Could even have it take effect after made baskets, so we score, get the ball back, score, get the ball back and score for an 8 point possession because of Harden's flops and Dwights elbows.

 

[BlazerWookee]

They should give the referees tasers, and whenever someone flops that player gets zapped.

 

[Natebishop3]

I'd like to see review of all fouls and flops; but have it take effect after a stoppage in play. Have a flopin 'n foul possession queue. So if Harden flopped against the Blazers we get an extra possession once they finalize the review. They review while normal play is ongoing. Lets say 40 seconds later the ball goes out of bounds off Plumlee; we get the ball back because we're owed a possession. It would be a bunch of work in Zilcaukas but would be seemless on the court. Could even have it take effect after made baskets, so we score, get the ball back, score, get the ball back and score for an 8 point possession because of Harden's flops and Dwights elbows.

It would at least be nice if they lost free throw attempts. If a play is reviewed, and it's determined that it wasn't actually a foul, your team fouls go down one. So it would be a way to get out of the penalty.

 

[BigGameDamian]

I thought we would have experienced more of this last night with Dwight Howard. Started out that way around the 4 minute mark.

 

[BigGameDamian]

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/241677/NBA-Expected-To-Make-Rule-Change-On-Hack-A-Shaq

NBA Expected To Make Rule Change On Hack-A-Shaq

The NBA is planning on making rule changes to reduce the Hack-a-Shaq strategy.

DeAndre Jordan, Andre Drummond and Dwight Howard were victims of the strategy this season.

“It’s not unanimous, but there’s clearly an emerging consensus that we need to address the situation,” Adam Silver said in a meeting with the Associated Press Sports Editors on Thursday afternoon at the league’s midtown Manhattan headquarters. “Exactly what the new rule should be is open for debate, and at least I’m hoping that between now and the next owner’s meeting in July we can create and form a consensus as to what the change in the rule should be.”

Kiki VanDeWeghe, the NBA’s vice president of basketball operations said it has been easy to note the explosion in use of the strategy this season.

“It goes against the spirit of the rule book,” VanDeWeghe said. “Free throws were to compensate and deter fouls, not to encourage them. So I think we’re at the point where everyone agrees on that, not to belabor that, so what are the solutions?”

Silver was against a rule change as recently as last summer.

“Last year I was on the fence,” Silver said. “I said last year to this group, and over the summer, was let’s look at one more season of data. At [the all-star break in February], we were roughly at four times, in terms of that portion of the season compared to prior seasons, and by the end of the season we were up 2.5 times. By the way, last year’s playoffs were 10 times from the previous year’s playoffs as well.”

 

[BBert]

DeAndre Jordan, Andre Drummond and Dwight Howard were victims of the strategy this season.

Victims?

Fuck whoever wrote that.

Their teammates and the fans are victims of their shitty free throw shooting.

"Victims". WTF?

 

[barfo]

This is great! If the rules are changed to protect those who lack certain talents, then it will only be a matter of time before I can play in the NBA - I only lack defensive skills, and offensive skills, athleticism, knowledge of the game and so on. The NBA needs to stop victimizing me and let me play.

barfo

 

[BigGameDamian]

This is great! If the rules are changed to protect those who lack certain talents, then it will only be a matter of time before I can play in the NBA - I only lack defensive skills, and offensive skills, athleticism, knowledge of the game and so on. The NBA needs to stop victimizing me and let me play.

barfo

It has to be exciting for viewing.

 

[Orion Bailey]

I'd like to see review of all fouls and flops; but have it take effect after a stoppage in play. Have a flopin 'n foul possession queue. So if Harden flopped against the Blazers we get an extra possession once they finalize the review. They review while normal play is ongoing. Lets say 40 seconds later the ball goes out of bounds off Plumlee; we get the ball back because we're owed a possession. It would be a bunch of work in Zilcaukas but would be seemless on the court. Could even have it take effect after made baskets, so we score, get the ball back, score, get the ball back and score for an 8 point possession because of Harden's flops and Dwights elbows.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/241677/NBA-Expected-To-Make-Rule-Change-On-Hack-A-Shaq

NBA Expected To Make Rule Change On Hack-A-Shaq

The NBA is planning on making rule changes to reduce the Hack-a-Shaq strategy.

DeAndre Jordan, Andre Drummond and Dwight Howard were victims of the strategy this season.

“It’s not unanimous, but there’s clearly an emerging consensus that we need to address the situation,” Adam Silver said in a meeting with the Associated Press Sports Editors on Thursday afternoon at the league’s midtown Manhattan headquarters. “Exactly what the new rule should be is open for debate, and at least I’m hoping that between now and the next owner’s meeting in July we can create and form a consensus as to what the change in the rule should be.”

Kiki VanDeWeghe, the NBA’s vice president of basketball operations said it has been easy to note the explosion in use of the strategy this season.

“It goes against the spirit of the rule book,” VanDeWeghe said. “Free throws were to compensate and deter fouls, not to encourage them. So I think we’re at the point where everyone agrees on that, not to belabor that, so what are the solutions?”

Silver was against a rule change as recently as last summer.

“Last year I was on the fence,” Silver said. “I said last year to this group, and over the summer, was let’s look at one more season of data. At [the all-star break in February], we were roughly at four times, in terms of that portion of the season compared to prior seasons, and by the end of the season we were up 2.5 times. By the way, last year’s playoffs were 10 times from the previous year’s playoffs as well.”

Umm to shoot better???? Gimme a break. Just because players cant shoot as well, put in the time, we need to change the rule? I'm not the biggest fan of hack-a anyone, but that is not the problem to address. The problem to address is the free throw shooting...or lack there of...

Kiki is smarter than that. Come on. He was a great free throw shooter if I recall correctly, so I would think he would understand that no one would hack him, so those that get hacked have to just put in more work. Cant believe he said that...

This is soooo giving the guys who suck an easy way out....pathetic in my book

 

[jlprk]

“It goes against the spirit of the rule book,” VanDeWeghe said. “Free throws were to compensate and deter fouls, not to encourage them.”

99% of intentional fouls are committed all game long, against players who shoot free throws just fine. Will those fouls be outlawed, too? Or is this just more proof of the disproportionate influence of Los Angeles teams on the League Office?

How about substitution patterns, of putting in a low-FT% rebounder on defense with 1 minute to play, then on the offensive possession, replacing him with a high-FT% scorer, then on defense, replacing him with a low-FT% rebounder, etc.? How about the common practice of the inbounds passer being the worst shooter, inbounding to the best 4 shooters?

The League Office is strangely selective in which "against the spirit" strategies it allows, and which it wants to remove. It wouldn't have anything to do with Los Angeles, would it?