Game Thread NBA Finals: Cavs vs Warriors

[UKRAINEFAN]

I was gonna post that. Kevin Love's game has really gone down (the way he runs makes me think he has serious knee problems) but i felt really sorry for him when I saw that; his face was like a little boy's whose mom just told him to get lost.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

Same here, since they've been measured against each other so much. Kyrie has always been the better all-around scorer, with Dame having an edge in at least the perception of a better shooting stroke. Either can get equally hot, as Kyrie has been demonstrating. Around the basket and ball handling, it's Kyrie by miles. I've said for a couple years now, Kyrie might be the best offensive player in the game.

Where Dame has had an advantage is passing (Kyrie is the ultimate one-man show) and defense (Dame is terrible, Kyrie is atrocious). If Kyrie keeps playing D like he has in the Finals, though, he jumps way ahead of Dame in that category.

Yeh, I don't know if it is the coach or Irving, but it seems to me that LeBron needs the ball when he is on the move (preferably towards the basket) and Irving never gives it to him in those situations; Delladova often does, but he is such a liability on defense. I noticed LeBron cannot beat anyone one on one if he starts out on the top of the key just holding the ball. He seemed to be reluctant to even be aggressive coming up the court with the ball and defenses not really set, he pulled up instead of going right at the basket. Especially in the second half he seemed worried that he had no assists in the first half, and kept passing when he should have been attacking.

 

[Trackjack]

One thing I believe Love will be on trading block he doesn't mesh with Lebron team. Don't be suprise if Lebron don't ask the front office to get rid of him this off season. Lebron than will come back he didn't have anything to do with it was management decision.

 

[handiman]

I noticed LeBron cannot beat anyone one on one if he starts out on the top of the key just holding the ball. He seemed to be reluctant to even be aggressive coming up the court with the ball and defenses not really set, he pulled up instead of going right at the basket. Especially in the second half he seemed worried that he had no assists in the first half, and kept passing when he should have been attacking.

LeBron sure seems to have lost a step, doesn't he? He's not blowing by people or elevating for rebounds like he used to. He's still good for a couple explosive moves a game, but it seems to take a lot of effort now. It shows in his face, too, looking borderline disinterested. I wonder if he becomes late-career Kobe next year, frustrated with his body's unwillingness to cooperate?

 

[Orion Bailey]

D. Groin is an asshat.

I've come to realize Love will never be a key piece on a championship team. He is just too slow for today's NBA.

Oh. Almost forgot to mention the breaking news....

D.Groin is an asshat.

 

[H.C.]

Kevin Love has been babied his entire basketball career.
He had his father yelling at the refs in the stands the entire game anytime someone got close to Love. "How dare you play defense on my son."
When he got to college and was supposed to be the man. He wasn't the man. In fact as far as college goes from what he was supposed to do.. to what he actually did... Could consider him a bust. Very similar to Harrison Barnes.
In the NBA he was babied by the T-Wolves and still couldn't get them above .500 with talent around him.
Now he's on a championship team and being asked to do the little things.. And not up to par. Does anyone still believe Love> Bosh?
Can't tell me what LBJ said to Love is anything new and or wasn't discussed before the game.
I'd be pissed off too if I was LBJ.
But LBJ made his own bed with Love. Wanted him, got him, now he knows what kind of a player Love really is.....

 

[BBert]

LeBron sure seems to have lost a step, doesn't he? He's not blowing by people or elevating for rebounds like he used to. He's still good for a couple explosive moves a game, but it seems to take a lot of effort now. It shows in his face, too, looking borderline disinterested. I wonder if he becomes late-career Kobe next year, frustrated with his body's unwillingness to cooperate?

Watch: The more Lebron's physical ability decreases, the more he will bark at his teammates. Like last night.

 

[BBert]

D. Groin is an asshat.

I've come to realize Love will never be a key piece on a championship team. He is just too slow for today's NBA.

Oh. Almost forgot to mention the breaking news....

D.Groin is an asshat.

Pretty sad to see an All Star PF relegated to camping out in the corner. With no real risk to drive, it's not hard for the defense to bottle Love up out there.

Oh, I almost forgot to mention: D. Groin is an ass hat.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Watch: The more Lebron's physical ability decreases, the more he will bark at his teammates. Like last night.

I agree. HE is not near as mentally tough as I once thought.
You could see it in his face last night. He had a great game. Maybe his best playoff game ever, yet his face was that of concern. Not confidence. His super fast paced walk, etc... yeah... he is weak too. Him and Love make a great pair... too bad LBJ denied Love the wedding that I posted earlier.

 

[Boob-No-More]

When he got to college and was supposed to be the man. He wasn't the man. In fact as far as college goes from what he was supposed to do.. to what he actually did... Could consider him a bust. Very similar to Harrison Barnes.

Everything you wrote was opinion, and I have little quibble with most of it, but I do disagree with your comments about Love's college career. He was 1st team all American in his one and only season at UCLA. How can someone, as a freshman, be considered one of the top 5 players in all of Division I college basketball and be considered a bust? Love was a freshman and there were three other future 1st round draft picks on that team. Russell Westbrook was a sophomore and Darren Collison and Luc Richard Mbah a Moute were juniors. Yet, it was the freshman Love that was the bast player on that team, by far. He led the team in scoring and had more Win Shares than Westbrook and Collison combined.

He is what he is now, but he was far from a bust in his one, and only year, of college basketball.

BNM

 

[Tunchi]

Everything you wrote was opinion, and I have little quibble with most of it, but I do disagree with your comments about Love's college career. He was 1st team all American in his one and only season at UCLA. How can someone, as a freshman, be considered one of the top 5 players in all of Division I college basketball and be considered a bust? Love was a freshman and there were three other future 1st round draft picks on that team. Russell Westbrook was a sophomore and Darren Collison and Luc Richard Mbah a Moute were juniors. Yet, it was the freshman Love that was the bast player on that team, by far. He led the team in scoring and had more Win Shares than Westbrook and Collison combined.

He is what he is now, but he was far from a bust in his one, and only year, of college basketball.

BNM

Great counter

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Everything you wrote was opinion, and I have little quibble with most of it, but I do disagree with your comments about Love's college career. He was 1st team all American in his one and only season at UCLA. How can someone, as a freshman, be considered one of the top 5 players in all of Division I college basketball and be considered a bust? Love was a freshman and there were three other future 1st round draft picks on that team. Russell Westbrook was a sophomore and Darren Collison and Luc Richard Mbah a Moute were juniors. Yet, it was the freshman Love that was the bast player on that team, by far. He led the team in scoring and had more Win Shares than Westbrook and Collison combined.

He is what he is now, but he was far from a bust in his one, and only year, of college basketball.

BNM

He also led the nation in total rebounds (not rpg though), in win shares, and made the final four. Yeah, he was definitely pretty good as a freshman.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Just a random aside--if the average ticket for a finals game is $1,625 (according to this report), then a game 7 adds about $32M to the BRI calculation just in ticket sales, which means an additional $123K for Lillard next year, or an additional $700K+ over the five years. If game 7 tickets average somewhere in the neighborhood of 2500, that 700K goes up to over $1M.

So basically, every 2016 NBA free agent (and Lillard) should be rooting for the Cavs on Thursday.

 

[BBert]

... Love ... is what he is now ....

BNM

Poorly utilized?

 

[handiman]

Just a random aside--if the average ticket for a finals game is $1,625 (according to this report), then a game 7 adds about $32M to the BRI calculation just in ticket sales, which means an additional $123K for Lillard next year, or an additional $700K+ over the five years. If game 7 tickets average somewhere in the neighborhood of 2500, that 700K goes up to over $1M.

So basically, every 2016 NBA free agent (and Lillard) should be rooting for the Cavs on Thursday.

I bet arena costs and creative bookkeeping bring that down significantly.

 

[BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94]

I think what is killing Love is his size, he is slow but slim now, he is like Michael Beasley at this point. He needs to gain weight again so he can box out better, he just can't throw his body around down low anymore.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

I think what is killing Love is his size, he is slow but slim now, he is like Michael Beasley at this point. He needs to gain weight again so he can box out better, he just can't throw his body around down low anymore.

Pudgy Love > Slim Love

 

[BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94]

Pudgy Love > Slim Love

That's what I say to convince women to sleep with me.

 

[Boob-No-More]

That's what I say to convince women to sleep with me.

So, you're a chubby chasee, not a chubby chaser?

BNM

 

[BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94]

So, you're a chubby chasee, not a chubby chaser?

BNM

Little of this, little of that.

 

[H.C.]

Everything you wrote was opinion, and I have little quibble with most of it, but I do disagree with your comments about Love's college career. He was 1st team all American in his one and only season at UCLA. How can someone, as a freshman, be considered one of the top 5 players in all of Division I college basketball and be considered a bust? Love was a freshman and there were three other future 1st round draft picks on that team. Russell Westbrook was a sophomore and Darren Collison and Luc Richard Mbah a Moute were juniors. Yet, it was the freshman Love that was the bast player on that team, by far. He led the team in scoring and had more Win Shares than Westbrook and Collison combined.

He is what he is now, but he was far from a bust in his one, and only year, of college basketball.

BNM

Opinion huh.
So love hasn't come up short when he's been the man his entire basketball career?
UCLA vs Memphis 08? Can't lead a T-Wolves team to an above .500 roster when they had a ton of talent on that team?
Kevin Love was supposed to lead them to the finals. Yet vs Memphis he came up short. Very short...
Could even argue it took collison saving them vs texas a&m to even have a chance to face a team with nba talent on it.

UCLA star Kevin Love put on his own show at practice Friday, hitting a full-court shot. He managed just 12 points -- and missed both open 3-pointers -- as the Bruins (35-4) again fell short in their third straight Final Four appearance.
Memphis was really good, but that means Love should prolly take more than 11 shots in the game. Or at least make more than 4...
But alas harrison barnes also left a lot to be desired for as "good" as he was supposed to be.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Opinion huh.

Yep, that's exactly what it is. And, as I said, I have no quibble with most of what you wrote.

Can't lead a T-Wolves team to an above .500 roster when they had a ton of talent on that team?

Again, as I said, I have no quibble with most of what you wrote, I didn't even mention his NBA career. So, you're arguing with someone who agrees with you on this point.

UCLA vs Memphis 08? Kevin Love was supposed to lead them to the finals. Yet vs Memphis he came up short. Very short...
Could even argue it took collison saving them vs texas a&m to even have a chance to face a team with nba talent on it.

UCLA star Kevin Love put on his own show at practice Friday, hitting a full-court shot. He managed just 12 points -- and missed both open 3-pointers -- as the Bruins (35-4) again fell short in their third straight Final Four appearance.
Memphis was really good, but that means Love should prolly take more than 11 shots in the game. Or at least make more than 4...
But alas harrison barnes also left a lot to be desired for as "good" as he was supposed to be.

Lol, you site one game to negate his entire college career. And yes, I remember that game. The UCLA guards got totally outplayed by the Memphis guards. Rose and Carter-Williams owned Westbrook and Collison and that's why UCLA lost.

Since Love doesn't bring the ball up the court, he relies on his guards to pass him the ball. Westbrook took 19 shots and only had 2 assists. Just ask Kevin Durant what it's like to get frozen out by Westbrook in important games. Collison was hideous in that game 1-9 FG for 2 points, 4 assists and 5 TOVs. Meanwhile, Carter Williams and Rose went off for 28 and 25 points, but it's Love's fault UCLA lost. Yeah, right.

BNM

 

[Blazinaway]

i

Pudgy Love > Slim Love

isn't that Wook's line?

 

[ripcityboy]

i

isn't that Wook's line?

No. That's, "If you got a case of Coor's..... I got the time!"

 

[handiman]

For Game 6... If Asst Coach Lue is smart (he'll have to seek Head Coach James' approval, of course), he benches Love in favor of Mozgov. D. Groin will be amped up beyond belief, and another beefy body will help neutralize that. Mozgov was a big problem for GS last year, so give the pin headed fella a shot! Also, his long legs will help keep at least one crotch further from D. Groin's fury. Like in Jurassic Park: Lost World, when dealing with wild animals, you want your nuts up high off the ground!

 

[kjironman1]

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/06/kev...mes-yelled-at-him-game-5-nba-finals-cavaliers

I have no Love for Love and don't ever want him in a Blazers uni, but I couldn't help but feel for him on this...

Did you read it? It actually does look like Love was in conversation with him not looking for a high five at all.

 

[santeesioux]

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/242242/Andrew-Bogut-Out-For-Remainder-Of-Finals

 

[Chris Craig]

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/242242/Andrew-Bogut-Out-For-Remainder-Of-Finals

Not that he had much of an impact anyway

 

[BBert]

It just means the league won't want to leave the Warriors short-handed, so Green will get away with whatever he wants.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

Not that he had much of an impact anyway

On the stat sheet no, but on the court yes.