Game Thread NBA PLAY-IN - PELICANS @ CLIPPERS - APRIL 15, 2022 - FRIDAY - 7:00 PM (PDT) TNT

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I agree pointing to one off night as the reason he's not worth $30m/year would be wrong. Luckily, we have a 7 year sample size of him being a starter that would backup he's not worth $30m/year.

So he'll have Game 7's vs Denver where he is worth $40m/year and nights like tonight where he's worth $15m/year and when it comes out in the wash, he's probably make $5m/year too much. Therefore, he's a net negative asset in my opinion. A top 30 salary, never an all-star, never proven he can be a #1, let alone a #1 on a winner, yet he's making #1 money.

I'm not trying to hate on CJs game either. I like him. KD said he would be a great 6th man. However, at max salary, he's going to cause a franchise to miss out on other talent or for an owner to go deep into the tax.

I’ve been saying he’d be a great 6th man for years. He’d be perfect for that role. He’s like like Ricky Pierce with a little better handle.
 
Yeah losing an asset sucks but that asset was gonna go to Detroit for Jerami Grant anyway, we all know it and we all hated it. We still might get him but at least it won’t cost us a lottery pick.
 
Yeah losing an asset sucks but that asset was gonna go to Detroit for Jerami Grant anyway, we all know it and we all hated it. We still might get him but at least it won’t cost us a lottery pick.

Yeah it will, probably ours
 
Yeah losing an asset sucks but that asset was gonna go to Detroit for Jerami Grant anyway, we all know it and we all hated it. We still might get him but at least it won’t cost us a lottery pick.
So we give up the Bucks pick and more for Grant.

Guess what? That means we gave up more than a lottery pick.

The bucks pick is the exact same asset to us. Adding anything more to that means we have less.

Simple math.
 
I know Cronin is getting a lot of hate today, and he probably deserves some of it; maybe most of it.

but I suspect just about all of what he did at the trade deadline was confined within the parameters of the orders he had from Seattle. My feeling is that the absentee Vulcan landlords are a bigger problem than Cronin. It worries me because I think those TPE's the Blazers have are valuable, and will become steadily more valuable as next season's trade deadline approaches and I'm unconvinced Seattle will allow the Blazer GM to use them

another thing I suspect is that Cronin got pressure from Seattle to make that Clippers trade because of Jody Allen's relationship with Steve Ballmer. Yeah, that's probably tin-foil hat, but the coincidences are pretty significant

anyway, what I worry about is the cheap-screw math by the Vulcans. For example, say the Blazers win the 3rd pick in the lottery. Going by the last draft (Mobley) and adjusting to the new salary cap, the 3rd pick's salary from this draft would have a 1st year salary of 9M. Now, generically, I'd give the Vulcans enough credit to know that a 3rd pick for Grant is too high a price. But it may be that Vulcan-Think would tell them that Grant's 20M salary next season should be adjusted to an actual cost of 11M by subtracting the cost of that 3rd pick. Yeah, that would be pretty stupid but does that really seem out-of-line compared to what we know about Vulcan-Think? I mean, they had nearly a decade of reasons to fire Olshey's arrogant ass, but they waited till they could make a case for firing him with cause (am I the only one who expects Olshey to file a lawsuit about that?)

what be a real disaster is if the Blazers trade a top-6 pick + that big TPE for Grant.....yeeeeeeesh, that's a scary thought....they wouldn't do that would they?
 
I know Cronin is getting a lot of hate today, and he probably deserves some of it; maybe most of it.

but I suspect just about all of what he did at the trade deadline was confined within the parameters of the orders he had from Seattle. My feeling is that the absentee Vulcan landlords are a bigger problem than Cronin. It worries me because I think those TPE's the Blazers have are valuable, and will become steadily more valuable as next season's trade deadline approaches and I'm unconvinced Seattle will allow the Blazer GM to use them

another thing I suspect is that Cronin got pressure from Seattle to make that Clippers trade because of Jody Allen's relationship with Steve Ballmer. Yeah, that's probably tin-foil hat, but the coincidences are pretty significant

anyway, what I worry about is the cheap-screw math by the Vulcans. For example, say the Blazers win the 3rd pick in the lottery. Going by the last draft (Mobley) and adjusting to the new salary cap, the 3rd pick's salary from this draft would have a 1st year salary of 9M. Now, generically, I'd give the Vulcans enough credit to know that a 3rd pick for Grant is too high a price. But it may be that Vulcan-Think would tell them that Grant's 20M salary next season should be adjusted to an actual cost of 11M by subtracting the cost of that 3rd pick. Yeah, that would be pretty stupid but does that really seem out-of-line compared to what we know about Vulcan-Think? I mean, they had nearly a decade of reasons to fire Olshey's arrogant ass, but they waited till they could make a case for firing him with cause (am I the only one who expects Olshey to file a lawsuit about that?)

what be a real disaster is if the Blazers trade a top-6 pick + that big TPE for Grant.....yeeeeeeesh, that's a scary thought....they wouldn't do that would they?

Suppose you're right. What does this mean for Dame? I have a feeling even if he wanted (quietly) to be traded, the Vulcan Overlords of your theory would want to hang on to him at least until the team was sold, because he's an asset that increases the value of the team.
 
Knowing how desperate the Pelicans were for CJ, it's still amateur hour that Cronin couldn't negotiate a better fallback plan.
Agreed. I always thought that Pels were the one team that would benefit the most from getting CJ. Cronin didn't seem to realize that he had the upper hand.
 
Oh, I wouldn’t say that. There’s a 3.7% chance we end up with the 9th pick and a .1% chance it’s the 10th.

ok good point. Let me rephrase. We’re not giving up that pick for Grant if we stay at 6-8 or move up.
 
I don't know what others are thinking; haven't read the entire thread yet. But my first thought after the game is that without two lottery picks, we can't get a real difference maker. I wonder if Lillard will see the same? Seriously thinking for the first time we need to trade Lillard.
 
Suppose you're right. What does this mean for Dame? I have a feeling even if he wanted (quietly) to be traded, the Vulcan Overlords of your theory would want to hang on to him at least until the team was sold, because he's an asset that increases the value of the team.

I'm OK with that
 
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