Game Thread NBA PLAY-IN - SPURS @ PELICANS - APRIL 13, 2022 - WEDNESDAY - 6:30 PM (PDT) ESPN

[UKRAINEFAN]

Hearing what the offers were post-deadline from the Mavs and Hawks,

What were those offers?

 

[B-Roy]

does this game have any bearing on our pick from NO?

Basically expiring contracts/salary fillers and one late first.

 

[Graduate32]

What were those offers?

According to Jake Fischer, the offers weren't nailed down, but along the lines of Hawks: Gallinari, filler, and a pick; Mavs: Powell, Kleber, filler, future pick, etc. What seemed clear is that Hawks weren't offering any of Collins, Bogdanovic, Huerter, or Hunter. And from what Fischer could tell, Brunson and Finney-Smith were off the table for the Mavs, not sure about Hardaway.

Needless to say, I left that conversation feeling much better about the NOP offer. We can all certainly agree that CJ is worth more than we got, but I think it is reasonably likely that we got as much as we could have given the market. And FWIW, I am also in the camp that CJ's value a couple of years ago really wasn't much higher.

 

[wizenheimer]

While I agree with you in that it would have been nice to get more, there was just no market. Hearing what the offers were post-deadline from the Mavs and Hawks, makes the Pelicans deal look fan-freakin-tastic! .

I must have missed it...what were those offers?

 

[Wade Garrett]

According to Jake Fischer, the offers weren't nailed down, but along the lines of Hawks: Gallinari, filler, and a pick; Mavs: Powell, Kleber, filler, future pick, etc. What seemed clear is that Hawks weren't offering any of Collins, Bogdanovic, Huerter, or Hunter. And from what Fischer could tell, Brunson and Finney-Smith were off the table for the Mavs, not sure about Hardaway.

Needless to say, I left that conversation feeling much better about the NOP offer. We can all certainly agree that CJ is worth more than we got, but I think it is reasonably likely that we got as much as we could have given the market. And FWIW, I am also in the camp that CJ's value a couple of years ago really wasn't much higher.

Like I said yesterday:
We traded CJ McCollum, Larry Nance, and (my buddy) Tony Snell, to New Orleans for Josh Hart, Did Louzada, and(and this is the tricky part, gonna require some outside the box thinking..) Anfernee Simons, and a possible lottery pick.
Anfernee being elevated is most definitely an aspect of that trade.
Hence, the "addition by subtraction" concept. Not to mention CJ's salary.
A fantastic deal, IMO.

 

[wizenheimer]

According to Jake Fischer, the offers weren't nailed down, but along the lines of Hawks: Gallinari, filler, and a pick; Mavs: Powell, Kleber, filler, future pick, etc. What seemed clear is that Hawks weren't offering any of Collins, Bogdanovic, Huerter, or Hunter. And from what Fischer could tell, Brunson and Finney-Smith were off the table for the Mavs, not sure about Hardaway.

Needless to say, I left that conversation feeling much better about the NOP offer. We can all certainly agree that CJ is worth more than we got, but I think it is reasonably likely that we got as much as we could have given the market. And FWIW, I am also in the camp that CJ's value a couple of years ago really wasn't much higher.

I like Powell quite a bit; he'd be a really nice PF for Portland. Not impressed with Kleber. If the Blazers could have worked their way into that Mavs/Wizards trade and got Powell + Dinwiddie for CJ that would have been a pretty good return. I've never liked Hardaway much. I'm skeptical though that the Mavs would have traded both Porzingis and Powell. That's a lot of length to give up

 

[Chris Craig]

Like I said yesterday:
We traded CJ McCollum, Larry Nance, and (my buddy) Tony Snell, to New Orleans for Josh Hart, Did Louzada, and(and this is the tricky part, gonna require some outside the box thinking..) Anfernee Simons, and a possible lottery pick.
Anfernee being elevated is most definitely an aspect of that trade.
Hence, the "addition by subtraction" concept. Not to mention CJ's salary.
A fantastic deal, IMO.

The Blazers will be back in that salary position next season when they re-sign Simons and Nurkic, and likely trade for Grant and then way over pay him.

 

[wizenheimer]

The Blazers will be back in that salary position next season when they re-sign Simons and Nurkic, and likely trade for Grant and then way over pay him.

maybe yes, maybe no

but think about their position if it was:

Damian Lillard $42,492,492
CJ McCollum $33,333,333
Larry Nance Jr. $9,672,727
Norman Powell $16,758,621
Nassir Little $4,171,548
Greg Brown III $1,563,518
Trendon Watford $1,563,518
Jusuf Nurkić $17,000,000
Anfernee Simons $25,000,000
Andrew Nicholson $2,844,429

that right there is 154M for just 9 players. That's 5M over the projected tax line and the Blazers would still have to add 5 players. Worse is that nearly 120M, essentially the entire salary cap, would be tied up in four 6'3 & under guards, not a one of whom can play even average defense

that is basically the team that 'raced' out to a record that was 10 games under .500 halfway thru this season. That is welding mediocrity trudging on a treadmill in purgatory

I think a lot of posters haven't clued into the reality that there was absolutely no way Seattle was going to agree to pay significant tax for that team. I'll say again that I believe Cronin's marching orders were to be a hatchet-man and dismantle the idiotic roster that olshey-vision built.

 

[Chris Craig]

maybe yes, maybe no

but think about their position if it was:

Damian Lillard $42,492,492
CJ McCollum $33,333,333
Larry Nance Jr. $9,672,727
Norman Powell $16,758,621
Nassir Little $4,171,548
Greg Brown III $1,563,518
Trendon Watford $1,563,518
Jusuf Nurkić $17,000,000
Anfernee Simons $25,000,000
Andrew Nicholson $2,844,429

that right there is 154M for just 9 players. That's 5M over the projected tax line and the Blazers would still have to add 5 players. Worse is that nearly 120M, essentially the entire salary cap, would be tied up in four 6'3 & under guards, not a one of whom can play even average defense

that is basically the team that 'raced' out to a record that was 10 games under .500 halfway thru this season. That is welding mediocrity trudging on a treadmill in purgatory

I think a lot of posters haven't clued into the reality that there was absolutely no way Seattle was going to agree to pay significant tax for that team. I'll say again that I believe Cronin's marching orders were to be a hatchet-man and dismantle the idiotic roster that olshey-vision built.

Hopefully, it will be a more balanced roster next season with more team friendly contracts, but yeah we are going to be close to the tax. Lillard, Simons, Nurkic, and likely Grant will be $100,000,000 alone.

 

[wizenheimer]

Hopefully, it will be a more balanced roster next season with more team friendly contracts, but yeah we are going to be close to the tax. Lillard, Simons, Nurkic, and likely Grant will be $100,000,000 alone.

here's a very germane question: would you rather pay 100M for CJ-Powell-Nance-Nurkic-Simons or 60M for Simons-Grant-Nurkic? That's a 40M difference and that difference offers a lot of flexibility