NBA to vote for expansion next week

[AldoTrapani]

Sources: NBA set for 1st vote in Las Vegas-Seattle expansion

The NBA will hold a vote at the board of governors meetings next week to explore adding expansion teams exclusively in Las Vegas and Seattle, sources told ESPN.

www.espn.com

Just hope the greedy owners realize they can make even more money if they approve this. They say they project Seattle and Vegas to be in the top 8 money-making markets. I can't wait for the Sonics and Blazers rivalry again. My first game was in 1989 to watch Clyde and crew go against Kemp and Payton and posse.

I want to see if I can find that game or bits of if it on YouTube. Any helpers?

Seattle is considered a big market team?

 

[AldoTrapani]

I like the idea of Durant playing his final year for the Sonics.

Yes the Portland Seattle rivalry was very cool.

Also they need to 100% remove any mention of sonics record or activities being tied to OKC. Makes me cringe whenever I heard some "franchise" OKC stat that includes games before 2008.

that will be so sad if Seattle wins a title before us after being gone for 20 years

 

[AldoTrapani]

If you like a good video to watch, with some commentary by Brodie Brazil.

He says the front-runners have not been decided yet. "The NBA wants expansion competition."

it’s definitely been decided already lol.. Seattle isn’t gonna get teased like this after what the nba put them thru

 

[bigbailes]

I don't understand how you don't see the benefit and no-brainer concept of 2 more teams adding their revenue to the pot. These teams will be top 8 markets for income. Would you rather have 1/30th of 100 billion or 1/32 of 120 billion? (speaking in generic amounts just to illustrate the concept)

In what world is Seattle (DMA 13th) and Las Vegas (40th) considered 'Top 8 markets' ... Seattle is seen was seen as a 'small market' in NBA and still is in MLB standards, that would make Vegas tiny. For reference, Vegas would be the 4th smallest only ahead of OKC, New Orleans and Memphis. Two of those cities are one sport markets and the other has the NFL and the Pelicans always seem to be threatening to leave NO. I get that Vegas is an outlier when talking about these markets but it remains to be seen how they are going to handle all four major sports. The NFL/Raiders is an easy one because it's seen as a destination for road teams fans to get to for a weekend. The Golden Knights won right away getting to the Stanley Cup Finals in their first year and have remarkably been very consistent since in making the playoffs every year but one. If a team doesn't win right away, will the fans come out? Are road teams going to have their fans come in for a Wednesday night game in the middle of January? Going to be interesting to see how well they can support a 4th team.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

In what world is Seattle (DMA 13th) and Las Vegas (40th) considered 'Top 8 markets' ... Seattle is seen was seen as a 'small market' in NBA and still is in MLB standards, that would make Vegas tiny. For reference, Vegas would be the 4th smallest only ahead of OKC, New Orleans and Memphis. Two of those cities are one sport markets and the other has the NFL and the Pelicans always seem to be threatening to leave NO. I get that Vegas is an outlier when talking about these markets but it remains to be seen how they are going to handle all four major sports. The NFL/Raiders is an easy one because it's seen as a destination for road teams fans to get to for a weekend. The Golden Knights won right away getting to the Stanley Cup Finals in their first year and have remarkably been very consistent since in making the playoffs every year but one. If a team doesn't win right away, will the fans come out? Are road teams going to have their fans come in for a Wednesday night game in the middle of January? Going to be interesting to see how well they can support a 4th team.

Seattle isn't 13th.... Maybe your talking about inner city population. That doesn't matter though. What matters is metro area population, disposable income, corporate partners, etc. Those are attributes that ultimately determine revenue the new franchises would bring in.

 

[AldoTrapani]

In what world is Seattle (DMA 13th) and Las Vegas (40th) considered 'Top 8 markets' ... Seattle is seen was seen as a 'small market' in NBA and still is in MLB standards, that would make Vegas tiny. For reference, Vegas would be the 4th smallest only ahead of OKC, New Orleans and Memphis. Two of those cities are one sport markets and the other has the NFL and the Pelicans always seem to be threatening to leave NO. I get that Vegas is an outlier when talking about these markets but it remains to be seen how they are going to handle all four major sports. The NFL/Raiders is an easy one because it's seen as a destination for road teams fans to get to for a weekend. The Golden Knights won right away getting to the Stanley Cup Finals in their first year and have remarkably been very consistent since in making the playoffs every year but one. If a team doesn't win right away, will the fans come out? Are road teams going to have their fans come in for a Wednesday night game in the middle of January? Going to be interesting to see how well they can support a 4th team.

I think the new Seattle compared to the Sonics days is now considered a big market. Seattle has exploded with money and growth since 2008.

Everytime I go there which is about every few years I don’t even recognize their skyline. It’s so huge nowadays

 

[bigbailes]

Seattle isn't 13th.... Maybe your talking about inner city population. That doesn't matter though. What matters is metro area population, disposable income, corporate partners, etc. Those are attributes that ultimately determine revenue the new franchises would bring in.

I'm talking about TV market size which is metro population and number of TVs in the household ... Seattle isn't going to be seen as a small market MLB franchise but suddenly morph into a top 8 NBA market. Vegas is tiny for metro size, of course they are an outlier when it comes to corporate sponsorships for a city their size but still they aren not going to be seen as a top 8 market overall when competing with NY, LA, Chicago, Dallas, Houston, Philly etc.

 

[bigbailes]

I think the new Seattle compared to the Sonics days is now considered a big market. Seattle has exploded with money and growth since 2008.

Everytime I go there which is about every few years I don’t even recognize their skyline. It’s so huge nowadays

But it's not in DMA market ... it's actually gotten smaller when talking about it's TV market size which was 12th just a couple years ago. Going by metro size population wise they are 15th. Add to it the taxes the state is enacting and corporations like Starbucks and Amazon relocating major parts of their business and it doesn't look like Seattle will be a 'major market' anytime soon.

Nielsen DMA Rankings 2025

ustvdb.com

 

[AldoTrapani]

But it's not in DMA market ... it's actually gotten smaller when talking about it's TV market size which was 12th just a couple years ago. Going by metro size population wise they are 15th. Add to it the taxes the state is enacting and corporations like Starbucks and Amazon relocating major parts of their business and it doesn't look like Seattle will be a 'major market' anytime soon.

Nielsen DMA Rankings 2025

ustvdb.com

I can’t argue with that. I was just going with my perception of new seattle! But that makes sense

 

[TYDame]

Seattle SuperSonics and the Las Vegas High Rollers (I like that name lol)

 

[wizenheimer]

I'm not sure where big markets end and where small markets begin or if there is an in-between and how big it is

 

[THE HCP]

Those markets have always been funny to me. They aren’t even as far as square miles. My grandparents lived in Riverside and it always cracked me up how they are Top 15…… ain’t nothing there. So to use tv market size as a way to determine a markets size is off.

 

[blazerfan11]

Those markets have always been funny to me. They aren’t even as far as square miles. My grandparents lived in Riverside and it always cracked me up how they are Top 15…… ain’t nothing there. So to use tv market size as a way to determine a markets size is off.

There are a lot of people there. More than the population of Oregon.

The Riverside-San Bernardino-Ontario metropolitan area (Inland Empire) has a population of approximately 4.74 million as of 2024, making it the 12th-largest metro area in the U.S.

This does include both of all the people in San Bernardino and Riverside counties.

The smaller metro area is 2.7 million people.

 

[wizenheimer]

Those markets have always been funny to me. They aren’t even as far as square miles. My grandparents lived in Riverside and it always cracked me up how they are Top 15…… ain’t nothing there. So to use tv market size as a way to determine a markets size is off.

those were metro area populations in 2024




San Bernadio 225,000
Rancho Cucamonga 175,000
Adelanto 38,000
Fontana 220,000
Victorville 140,000
Hesperia 102,000
Apple Valley 75,000
Riverside 325,000
Corona 162,000
Perris 85,000
Lake Elsinore 75,000
Moreno Valley 215,000
Temecula 213,000
Palm Springs 45,000
Cathedral City 52,000
Palm Desert 52,000
Indio 95,000
La Quinta 39,000

those are city limit populations....it adds up

metro area sizes:

Inland Empire 27,000 Sq. Miles
Los Angeles 34,000
San Diego 4,200
Bay Area 7,000
Sacramento 22,000
Eugene 4,550
Salem 4,900
Portland 6,700
Bend 3,055
Seattle 6,300
Boise 11,800
Salt Lake City 9,900
Reno 9,980
Las Vegas 8,000
Denver 8,400
Phoenix 14.600
Tuscon 9,200
Burns, Or 3.55
Lakeview Or 2.40

 

[blazerfan11]

Those markets have always been funny to me. They aren’t even as far as square miles. My grandparents lived in Riverside and it always cracked me up how they are Top 15…… ain’t nothing there. So to use tv market size as a way to determine a markets size is off.

I do know what you mean by "nothing" though.

I remember in the early 2000s the busiest place in "downtown" San Jose (population now about 1 million, the most-populated city in the Bay Area) was the K-Mart. It was sad.

 

[bigbailes]

Those markets have always been funny to me. They aren’t even as far as square miles. My grandparents lived in Riverside and it always cracked me up how they are Top 15…… ain’t nothing there. So to use tv market size as a way to determine a markets size is off.

The chart he shared isn't TV markets ... that's population

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

 

[THE HCP]

Gof

those were metro area populations in 2024

View attachment 82697


San Bernadio 225,000
Rancho Cucamonga 175,000
Adelanto 38,000
Fontana 220,000
Victorville 140,000
Hesperia 102,000
Apple Valley 75,000
Riverside 325,000
Corona 162,000
Perris 85,000
Lake Elsinore 75,000
Moreno Valley 215,000
Temecula 213,000
Palm Springs 45,000
Cathedral City 52,000
Palm Desert 52,000
Indio 95,000
La Quinta 39,000

those are city limit populations....it adds up

metro area sizes:

Inland Empire 27,000 Sq. Miles
Los Angeles 34,000
San Diego 4,200
Bay Area 7,000
Sacramento 22,000
Eugene 4,550
Salem 4,900
Portland 6,700
Bend 3,055
Seattle 6,300
Boise 11,800
Salt Lake City 9,900
Reno 9,980
Las Vegas 8,000
Denver 8,400
Phoenix 14.600
Tuscon 9,200
Burns, Or 3.55
Lakeview Or 2.40

god damn you have a lot of free time. What is all this?

 

[wizenheimer]

Gof

god damn you have a lot of free time. What is all this?

it's pretty clear what "all that" was. The populations of various cities in the 'Inland Empire Metro Area'. And a comparison of the geographical size of matro areas in the west. I figured you'd be interested in Burns and Lakeview

 

[GrandpaBlaze]

it's pretty clear what "all that" was. The populations of various cities in the 'Inland Empire Metro Area'. And a comparison of the geographical size of matro areas in the west. I figured you'd be interested in Burns and Lakeview

I kinda pictured @THE HCP as more of a Brothers guy…a remnant of what once was.

 

[GrandpaBlaze]

I kinda pictured @THE HCP as more of a Brothers guy…a remnant of what once was.

Wait! That describes me!

 

[wizenheimer]

I kinda pictured @THE HCP as more of a Brothers guy…a remnant of what once was.

Brothers: main feature is a rest stop

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I'm in favor of expansion of the court size and the number of players playing. Twice as big, 7 players on a side, and a 4pt line. That would be some expansion!

 

[BigGameDamian]

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Saw that cost for Seattle and Vegas expected in the 7-10 billion range (each). Blazers sold months ago for 4 billion. So that will basically prove both Seattle and Vegas are regarded as far superior markets.

 

[RR7]

Saw that cost for Seattle and Vegas expected in the 7-10 billion range (each). Blazers sold months ago for 4 billion. So that will basically prove both Seattle and Vegas are regarded as far superior markets.

Does this mean both of those are also far superior markets to Dallas?

 

[julius]

Saw that cost for Seattle and Vegas expected in the 7-10 billion range (each). Blazers sold months ago for 4 billion. So that will basically prove both Seattle and Vegas are regarded as far superior markets.

I don't think that's how it works. The new owners of the two franchises in essence have to bribe their way into the NBA, and the cost of that is 7-10 billion.

Just being in a big city doesn't mean they'll be run better or are a "superior market".

 

[BigGameDamian]

Saw that cost for Seattle and Vegas expected in the 7-10 billion range (each). Blazers sold months ago for 4 billion. So that will basically prove both Seattle and Vegas are regarded as far superior markets.

So star players will choose Seattle over Portland?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Saw that cost for Seattle and Vegas expected in the 7-10 billion range (each). Blazers sold months ago for 4 billion. So that will basically prove both Seattle and Vegas are regarded as far superior markets.

With the $3-6 billion he's saving, he should use it to build a new Moda and a baseball stadium.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Does this mean both of those are also far superior markets to Dallas?

Think Cuban just got a terrible price but it was also years before all the others. TWolves owner Glen Taylor closed sale last year for 1.5 billion but again he's an idiot.

Boston sold for 6 billion. Makes sense that Vegas and Seattle are both better markets than that but worse than Lakers $10 billion.