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SIeepwalker said:
I completly agree with you. but i have a question why do you think so? i want to know the reason because i don't understand at all.
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Why do I think what? Not sure what you are asking but will try to answer if that can be clarified.
 
TBpup said:
Why do I think what? Not sure what you are asking but will try to answer if that can be clarified.
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My gf saw me browsing the board and said she wanted to try and reply. Doesn't know shit about the Blazers and can't really speak english though lol

But thumbs up for your kind answer
 
Scalma said:
im not upset I just like to point out stupidity. My bad.
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It's far from stupid saying Nurk has a great contract and therefore is possibly a movable piece if necessary.
You even said yourself it's one of the best contracts in the league.
If Whiteside were to get 10-15mil for his next contract. That gives Portland 3 contracts that are excellent and easily movable.

What is stupid is having this conversation because there is no denying that while I highly doubt he'd get traded. Nurk is a valuable piece and on a great contract.
Just like it would be stupid if I were to have left Nurk off my original post... Someone would've inevitably came in and said ''Nurk's making 15mil per. He's not movable?''


But I should just stop responding because I've interacted with you enough to know that all of what I'm typing will fall on deaf ears.
 
The Ariza deal got us a player that fit better and kicked the can down the road with expirings for next year while helping reduce the tax burden this year. Here's a similar idea, with Whiteside.

Brooklyn's pick via ATL and HOU's pick would go to Minny as is rumored. We'd save about 6.1 mil off our box for tax purposes and inch ever so close to getting out completely (only like 200k over). Parker has a 6.5 mil PO for next year.

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H.C. said:
It's far from stupid saying Nurk has a great contract and therefore is possibly a movable piece if necessary.
You even said yourself it's one of the best contracts in the league.
If Whiteside were to get 10-15mil for his next contract. That gives Portland 3 contracts that are excellent and easily movable.

What is stupid is having this conversation because there is no denying that while I highly doubt he'd get traded. Nurk is a valuable piece and on a great contract.
Just like it would be stupid if I were to have left Nurk off my original post... Someone would've inevitably came in and said ''Nurk's making 15mil per. He's not movable?''


But I should just stop responding because I've interacted with you enough to know that all of what I'm typing will fall on deaf ears.
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And all I pointed out was that Nurk isn’t getting moved and any discussion about it is pointless. Even led off the convo saying I’m not having a go. But that somehow got turned into me being upset? But I’m the deaf one.
 
Why are so many people trying to get rid of Mr. Squat?
 
illmatic99 said:
The Ariza deal got us a player that fit better and kicked the can down the road with expirings for next year while helping reduce the tax burden this year. Here's a similar idea, with Whiteside.

Brooklyn's pick via ATL and HOU's pick would go to Minny as is rumored. We'd save about 6.1 mil off our box for tax purposes and inch ever so close to getting out completely (only like 200k over). Parker has a 6.5 mil PO for next year.

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why would Portland do that? They get worse this season; then they add 22M in salary next season for role players, making it difficult to stay under the tax line

This 'kick-the-expiring contract-can-down-road' is speculative value, at best, and is very likely to end up just where it is right now: with no good options for upgrades next season. I generally reject the theory behind it, and even if the theory held some credibility, the Blazers don't have the type of GM that would take the kind of risks it would require.
 
wizenheimer said:
I have no clue why the Blazers would trad


why would Portland do that? They get worse this season; then they add 22M in salary next season for role players.

This 'kick-the-expiring contract-can-down-road' is speculative value, at best, and is very likely to end up just where it is right now: with no good options for upgrades next season. I generally reject the theory behind it, and even if the theory held some credibility, the Blazers don't have the type of GM that would take the kind of risks it would require.
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didn’t Olshey just trade an expiring for an upgrade who’s under control next season?
 
wizenheimer said:
This 'kick-the-expiring contract-can-down-road' is speculative value, at best, and is very likely to end up just where it is right now: with no good options for upgrades next season. I generally reject the theory behind it, and even if the theory held some credibility, the Blazers don't have the type of GM that would take the kind of risks it would require.
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He literally just did it with the Ariza deal.
 
Scalma said:
didn’t Olshey just trade an expiring for an upgrade who’s under control next season?
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illmatic99 said:
He literally just did it with the Ariza deal.
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yes, he gave up two picks to halve the tax bill and get a better fit, and an upgrade over Bazemore

neither Dieng or Parker have non-guaranteed contracts next season, eliminating an option they have with Ariza, and neither of them are anywhere close to as good as Whiteside. It's a downgrade

and if Portland needs another trade-able contract next season, then re-sign Whiteside, probably at half the cost, or less, of Dieng and Parker
 
illmatic99 said:
Whiteside for Dieng + Parker was the idea.
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We're seeing Parker as an asset? Doesn't really feel like a great fit here. But I guess he could replace Melo next year.
 
wizenheimer said:
yes, he gave up two picks to halve the tax bill and get a better fit

neither Dieng or Parker have non-guaranteed contracts next season, and neither of them are close to as good as Whiteside
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Why are you assuming Parker won't just bounce? His option is only for 6.5 mil.

and if Portland needs anoth trade-able contract next season, then re-sign Whiteside, probably at half the cost, or less, of Dieng and Parker
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You really think we can re-sign Hassan for 11 mil/yr?
 
wizenheimer said:
yes, he gave up two picks to halve the tax bill and get a better fit, and an upgrade over Bazemore

neither Dieng or Parker have non-guaranteed contracts next season, eliminating an option they have with Ariza, and neither of them are anywhere close to as good as Whiteside. It's a downgrade

and if Portland needs another trade-able contract next season, then re-sign Whiteside, probably at half the cost, or less, of Dieng and Parker
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He also got a worthwhile project in Gabriel. If he turns into a rotational player he’d have added two upgrades and cut the bill in half. That’s not worth two seconds five years from now? Where’s the failure?
 
illmatic99 said:
Why are you assuming Parker won't just bounce? His option is only for 6.5 mil.
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Oh, I didn't realize he was on a Hood-esque 1 + 1. Kinda makes him even less interesting to me.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Oh, I didn't realize he was on a Hood-esque 1 + 1. Kinda makes him even less interesting to me.
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I felt the exact opposite. Even disagree on Dieng being all that much of a downgrade over Hassan, especially with both Nurk and Zach coming back.

The game against Minny when Dieng was pulling Whiteside out of the paint, pump faking, and driving for dunks is still fresh on my mind. Sadly, I think that was Minny's most recent win, and they've lost 11 straight since.
 
H.C. said:
I wouldn't move nurk personally.
But I knew if I brought up Whiteside getting a contract similar to Nurk's next year. Then I left Nurk's name out of being a movable piece. I'd get a snarky response.
But I also knew I'd get a response like yours. So... Perhaps I shouldn't have even posted.. Which is what I do most of the time. That way I wouldn't have had anyone get upset.
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You should change your name to W.B. or Piney Pitch or something along those lines, if you catch my drift.
 
illmatic99 said:
I think @wizenheimer has a mandate to never praise Neil.
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I mean the guy isn’t perfect, there’s plenty of other things you can criticize him for. But that Ariza deal was pretty damn good. The way Ariza has fit, he probably would’ve been worth two seconds on his own. If Gabriel turns into anything it’s a robbery.
 
I keep seeing “two picks” being thrown around as if it’s some great value, but it bears repeating: those picks are going to be in the 45-60 range, and those are regularly bought at cash value during draft time. Neil has slung second round picks like poo during his time here and none of those picks have come to bite us in the ass. If there is a target in the second round that Neil wants, he's been able to get them whether we originally had a pick or not.
 
SIeepwalker said:
My gf saw me browsing the board and said she wanted to try and reply. Doesn't know shit about the Blazers and can't really speak english though lol

But thumbs up for your kind answer
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ESL for my gf as well....incredible story on how she has come to where she is now. If you can translate the question or help her clarify, I'd be happy to try and answer. This site needs more female class.
 
wizenheimer said:
why would Portland do that? They get worse this season; then they add 22M in salary next season for role players, making it difficult to stay under the tax line

This 'kick-the-expiring contract-can-down-road' is speculative value, at best, and is very likely to end up just where it is right now: with no good options for upgrades next season. I generally reject the theory behind it, and even if the theory held some credibility, the Blazers don't have the type of GM that would take the kind of risks it would require.
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Parker has a player option so we'd only be taking on Dieng who would fit better as a backup than Whiteside would, IMO.

PtldPlatypus said:
Exactly--for an upgrade. Whiteside for Dieng is very much not that.
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I'm not so sure about that. When KAT was out and Dieng was the center with no other changes the Wolves defense was #1 in the NBA. Since KAT has come back they've been 26th.
 
just a review of when Portland is 'scheduled to be next season:

Damian Lillard $31,626,953
CJ McCollum $29,354,152
Trevor Ariza $12,800,000
Jusuf Nurkić $12,000,000
Rodney Hood $6,003,900
Zach Collins $5,406,255
Anfernee Simons $2,252,040
Nassir Little $2,210,640
Mario Hezonja $1,882,867
Gary Trent $1,663,861
(Andrew Nicholson) $2,844,429
(Anderson Varejão) $1,913,345

$109,958,442 for 10 players with the tax line around 139-140M and the apron at 145-146M

now, the variables:

* 1st round pick - 2.5-3.5M

* Skal - RFA; 3-5M?

* Full MLE - 10M

* Full BAE - 3.8M (Melo?)

* Whiteside - 8-12M

so then, 15 potential players with 27M salary on low end and 33-34M on high end. Low end = 2-3M below tax line. High end = 3-5M above tax line

and, the Blazers still have that 7M TPE to work into the equation

illmatic99 said:
I think @wizenheimer has a mandate to never praise Neil.
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that's bullshit....I have commended that Ariza trade several times

more than that, I have praised Olshey's mastery of the bargain bin. That's his wheelhouse, and that was the template of the Ariza trade

illmatic99 said:
Why are you assuming Parker won't just bounce? His option is only for 6.5 mil.


You really think we can re-sign Hassan for 11 mil/yr?
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1 - yeah, I'm assuming Parker isn't going to turn down 6.5M

2 - and yeah, I'm assuming the free agent market for Whiteside is going to be even less robust than the free agent market for Nurkic. Can you point to a team that would pay him more than 11M? Kanter couldn't even get half that. Furthermore, I don't think Whiteside signing elsewhere is a worse outcome than paying Dieng and Parker 23M next season

hoopsjock said:
Parker has a player option
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exactly....he can opt in and almost certainly would. He's not going to toss away 6.5M on spec
 
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wizenheimer said:
1 - yeah, I'm assuming Parker isn't going to turn down 6.5M

2 - and yeah, I'm assuming the free agent market for Whiteside is going to be even less robust than the free agent market for Nurkic. Can you point to a team that would pay him more than 11M? Kanter couldn't even get half that. Furthermore, I don't think Whiteside signing elsewhere is a worse outcome than paying Dieng and Parker 23M next season
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Agreed on both points.

Parker is for sure picking up that option.

Also, I struggle finding where Whiteside finds a deal that will pay him more than what Portland should be willing to pay ($10-14m).
 
illmatic99 said:
I felt the exact opposite. Even disagree on Dieng being all that much of a downgrade over Hassan, especially with both Nurk and Zach coming back.

The game against Minny when Dieng was pulling Whiteside out of the paint, pump faking, and driving for dunks is still fresh on my mind. Sadly, I think that was Minny's most recent win, and they've lost 11 straight since.
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That's not very convincing. If you like, you can put him on the list of players who had a good game against Portland.

Edit: you should watch the highlights of Whiteside working over Nurkic last season in Portland. Then what?
 
illmatic99 said:
I felt the exact opposite. Even disagree on Dieng being all that much of a downgrade over Hassan, especially with both Nurk and Zach coming back.

The game against Minny when Dieng was pulling Whiteside out of the paint, pump faking, and driving for dunks is still fresh on my mind. Sadly, I think that was Minny's most recent win, and they've lost 11 straight since.
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Well, to each their own. Reasonable people can disagree.
 
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