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wizenheimer said:
I really have a hard time understanding how boneheaded the Blazers were about C's this summer

after all of their history, more than any other team, they should have known what a bad gamble it was to trade for a big with an extensive injury history. They ignored the lessons learned and rolled the dice with Timelord...and it predictably came up snake eyes

and with the degeneration of value of C's over the last 10 years, and with all of the flashing amber and red lights about Ayton, flashing even brighter because of his contract, the Blazers went ahead and traded for Ayton and his albatross contract...another roll of the dice that looks like it came up snake-eyes

making it worse is they took both of these gambles in the same off-season
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His attitude is simply awful, and coming to Portland seems to have made it worse. This is what I said before the trade.

BonesJones said:
For the next iteration of the Blazers, I dont want guys with questionable mentalities. I want competitive dudes that bring it consistently and have a chip on their shoulder. That you dont have to hope another player will "make them right" or that "this situation will be good for them". I want guys that create a good situation and are consistent, not a product of external factors. I'm embracing being bad in order to add players more in that vain through the draft, who have more upside than Ayton does at this point. Coupled with the wild cards that'd be future unprotected picks in a Dame trade, and that seems like the ideal path at this point.
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And today, Ayton admitted he has NO chip on his shoulder at all by saying "I got nothing to prove in this league. I’m a max player, and I’ll continue to be a max player." Pathetic. This is the least productive year of his career, his effort has been mediocre at BEST, and this is his attitude. Drives me crazy. I want competitors, they're easier to root for when they lose 50 games a season and have the potential to get better (Ayton doesn't, because of his mindset)...

With everyone on the positivity train with the Dame trade, I even went as far to go against my intuition buy the Ayton hype, calling his part of the deal "a steal". Hah.

Ayton was the classic case of "He was a high draft pick and is still young enough where we can fix him and turn him into a star/good player" type of thinking that NEVER works (Cam Reddish, Nik Stauskas, Mario Hezonja, etc).

Going forward, Portland needs to do a better job of valuing players with the proper mindset, work ethic and drive instead of the shiny player with a bunch of red flags.
 
AmirIcon said:
It's a long shot now keeping them. Their value is depreciating as we speak sans Ant. The success and failure of this franchise rides on the back of Shaedon Sharpe and Scoot Henderson. For better or for worse. Nothing Ant or Jerami do can change that. Thrust them in the position where they're made to take full responsibility to figure out if they're going to be those guys sooner rather than later. The deferring that Scoot and Shae have been doing all season doesn't help anything. Cash those vets in and get picks. If Scoot and Shae hit then you have a slew of picks to improve the team. Something we didn't really have under Dame.
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And if Scoot and Sharpe don't hit, you'll need a slew of picks to find young players who will. It's the right move to hedge bets in case they don't pan out while being able to build a contender if they do.

Keeping veterans and winning 28 games instead of 19 is only a bad thing long-term.
 
Something tells me they will keep Grant and essentially shut him down after the All Star break. I totally understand the idea of trading him for assets but I also see something that this team has not had for quite some time when he and Walker are on the court together.
If it was my decision to make i would look more into moving Brogdon, Simons and Ayton for assets but then I'm not on the phones and don't know how possible that is?
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
I also believe Orlando might be a trade partner. Started off strong but offense suffering. These guys suggest Simons to Orlando but no suggestions who will come back.

  1. The Orlando Magic don't have a major motivation to reach for the fast-forward button. Their top two players are 22 and under—Paolo Banchero and Franz Wagner—and have time remaining on their rookie-scale contracts. Their front office could conclude this roster isn't ready for an all-in type of transaction, especially with the way things have stalled of late (6-12 since their 16-7 sprint out of the starting gate).

    Then again, Orlando's third-ranked defense certainly appears playoff-ready. Its 24th-ranked offense obviously isn't there, but that might be something this club can correct on the trade market. After all, this club has everything needed to broker a blockbuster with more draft picks than they can use, more prospects than they can develop and enough mid-sized salaries to make the money work in almost any kind of deal.

    Why not try accelerating the rebuild with Anfernee Simons? He is young enough to grow with Orlando's core but might have too much overlap to coexist with Scoot Henderson and Shaedon Sharpe in Portland. The Trail Blazers have barely started their post-Damian Lillard rebuild, and it might be easier to navigate without owing the 24-year-old Simons $77.7 million for this season and the next two.

    The Blazers may not see Simons as expendable, per se, but he hardly feels untouchable. If he is up for grabs, the Magic might put a massive offer on the table. He is the high-volume perimeter shot-creator they desperately need, and his ability to play off the ball (43.6 catch-and-shoot three-point percentage on the league's least productive passing offense) means he wouldn't block the on-ball developmental paths of Banchero and Wagner.

    Simons' shooting, shot-making and secondary creation would all fill needs in Orlando and perhaps position the Magic to cement a top-six seed and give this young core its first taste of playoff basketball. Plus, they could keep him around for at least two more seasons, ideally continuing to climb the Eastern Conference ladder as he and they improve.
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Isn't Greg Anthony's kid already their Anfernee?
 
robson said:


He says Ayton + 2nd rounder to Charlotte. Who says no?
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At this point I'd do it, but can our FO admit that acquiring Ayton was such a fuckup? And besides, Charlotte has a couple of good young big men, don't they? Why would they want Ayton? Are we just assuming they're a dumb FO that you can offload your mistakes on?
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Isn't Greg Anthony's kid already their Anfernee?
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Cole Anthony doesn't have nearly as many shots in his bag as Ant and is a sub par three point shooter while Ant is a bonafide sharp shooter. Ant right now is the focus of the opposing team's defense when he's on the floor and Cole Anthony has the luxury of getting lost on that end a lot and gets to have a bunch of easy looks Ant would never get on our team right now.

So the answer is unequivocally, no. No Cole Anthony is not anywhere close to the impact player on offense that Ant is or that the Magic need right now and in the future.
 
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Ice might like to regroup with Brogdan as a vet to compliment a young group.

Brogdan, Murray & 2nd round pick for:
Oladipo salary dump, Amen & Cam
 
It was fun to win tonight but now that the elation has worn off I'm left looking at our next game against the Spurs and the very high likelihood that we will have won 4 of our last 6 games.

I just don't know what the fuck we're doing here. If I were Joe I would trade every guy that was responsible for that win: Jerami, Malcolm, Ant and Deandre... I would trade Tisse just for good measure and I wouldn't wait until the deadline. We want a better chance at a higher pick, we want experience for our young guys that we are most likely to have a chance at contending with and we should not want wins.
 
blazerkor said:
It was fun to win tonight but now that the elation has worn off I'm left looking at our next game against the Spurs and the very high likelihood that we will have won 4 of our last 6 games.

I just don't know what the fuck we're doing here. If I were Joe I would trade every guy that was responsible for that win: Jerami, Malcolm, Ant and Deandre... I would trade Tisse just for good measure and I wouldn't wait until the deadline. We want a better chance at a higher pick, we want experience for our young guys that we are most likely to have a chance at contending with and we should not want wins.
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We're still solidly in the 5th lottery slot, 3 full games behind Toronto. Even this run of competence is not really affecting our draft position. Sure, if we were presently 0-for-January we'd be 1 spot better, but do you really think that would be better for the young guys we're developing? I firmly believe that a team that is consistently competing-- and even <gasp> occasional winning a few games--is a much better environment to develop young guys than a team that looks hopeless.

We'll lose plenty of games. I doubt we pass Toronto. Blazers would basically have to pay .500 ball the rest of the season to finish with a better win percentage than what the Raptors currently have.

I understand what you're saying, but I really think you're making mountains out of molehills. Let yourself enjoy the occasional win.
 
An idea that's been rattling around in my head: get Zach Collins back from the Spurs in exchange for Brogdon.

Zach is a really solid all-around PF/C. But he'd add length/defense to our front court, and play the role we hoped RW3 would play.

He and Jabari could hold down the PF position, and solidify Grant as a SF.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
We're still solidly in the 5th lottery slot, 3 full games behind Toronto. Even this run of competence is not really affecting our draft position. Sure, if we were presently 0-for-January we'd be 1 spot better, but do you really think that would be better for the young guys we're developing? I firmly believe that a team that is consistently competing-- and even <gasp> occasional winning a few games--is a much better environment to develop young guys than a team that looks hopeless.

We'll lose plenty of games. I doubt we pass Toronto. Blazers would basically have to pay .500 ball the rest of the season to finish with a better win percentage than what the Raptors currently have.

I understand what you're saying, but I really think you're making mountains out of molehills. Let yourself enjoy the occasional win.
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It's not about last night or tomorrow for me. I think this team is good enough to pass the Raptors and probably the Nets who we just beat and who are both 2-8 in their last 10 while we're 4-6 and about to be 5-5. I love watching the Blazers win, I just want to watch them win in the playoffs. Keeping Jerami and Malcolm if they have value on the trade market to get us picks and/or prospects would be a huge red flag for me.

If we have the fifth worst record in the league at the end of the season cool... I'd rather duck under the Hornets but whatever. If we have the 7th worst record and still have Jerami or Malcolm, I'm going to be pissed. If we end up keeping Jerami or Malcolm and shut them down I'm also going to be pissed because those guys' value is not ascending, it is in decline. They will be worth less on draft day after sitting the last third of the season than they are worth right now.

All I'm asking for is a sense of direction for our team. If we're trying to win now we've set ourselves up for failure and if we're trying to set ourselves up to win down the road then winning any games right now at a 2 to 1 clip is counter productive. I just think a 5-5 stretch (that's where we'll probably be tomorrow night) in the middle of a rebuilding season where the only reason we're winning those games are vets, doesn't seem to make a lot of sense to me when thinking about long term viability of our rebuild.
 
maxiep said:
Wow. That's crazy. Matisse would propel them to a ring. He's just what they need.

I guess championships aren't that important to him, or Doc Rivers is a bigger nightmare than anyone imagined.
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Outside of Beauchamp though, they would have nothing to offer. Only 2 2nds over the next several years, so no more draft assets. Has Milwaukie made Beauchamp available?
 
maxiep said:
Wow. That's crazy. Matisse would propel them to a ring. He's just what they need.

I guess championships aren't that important to him, or Doc Rivers is a bigger nightmare than anyone imagined.
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I really have no idea what they're thinking hiring him.
 
If we trade Brogdon, I would prefer we keep Thybulle. He is just entering his prime....on a good contract
 
These guys list targets for all teams. Believe Dallas and Kings might target Grant, Bulls, Lakers and Knicks Brogdon. Milwaukee Thybulle (unlikely) and Orlando Simons and Brogdon. I still think ORL is the best idea: Simons and Brogdon for a package centered around Carter, lottery pick Jett Howard and draft picks. I think they are tired of losing and now have a first rate defense, just need some scoring from their guards. https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10106204-every-nba-teams-top-3-trade-deadline-targets
 
Reformed dream deadline:
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I know this is a lot for Ant but I wouldn't trade Ant unless it was a helluva package coming back for him. It isn't four picks though because the second 2026 pick is just a swap opportunity.
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Instead of protecting the pick maybe it could be the second most favorable first round pick in 2029 between ours, the Bucks and the Celtics.
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We would still be above the salary floor despite the cuts and if the Nets didn't want to go into the tax they could send Royce O'Neil to us we would buy him out and buy out Fournier.

Rotation: Scoot, Shaedon, Walker, Smith Jr., Ibou, Black, Toumani, Jabari, Duop and Kris.

I think we would trade Robinson in the off season and trade up if we have to, to get Sarr. Maybe we'd overpay on a free agent like THT.
 

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So anger that we're winning/hanging on to our win now guys, but also expecting a premium price for all of them, so undoubtedly will get upset when that premium isn't met as well. yeesh.
 
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