Neil Olshey has no balls

[Binx]

This shows he is never going to break up CJ and Dame

My thoughts exactly. Olshey actually thinks the Blazers can win a title as they are, with a little tinkering around the edges. It’s ridiculous.

 

[LayneStaley]

My thoughts exactly. Olshey actually thinks the Blazers can win a title as they are, with a little tinkering around the edges. It’s ridiculous.

He’s milking the team, if anyone on here got paid millions to be average you would be average. Why rock the boat when he knows they aren’t making any changes till new ownership takes over, as long as he doesn’t gamble and lose(again) he’s safe and the checks keep coming.

I dislike him.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

It's no doubt a difficult job. Everyone will have their opinion on things - so you'll always be in a damned if you do/damned if you don't situation.

However, there are a couple of posters in here that I would 100% back as being a better GM than NO.
I think there are a few who would be very good at certain aspects of being in the front office (like being the head scout, or head of analytics, etc).

There isn't a poster here (including me) who has any fucking clue as to what is really offered, and what is realistic.

 

[LayneStaley]

Elton Brand has big balls too.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

My thoughts exactly. Olshey actually thinks the Blazers can win a title as they are, with a little tinkering around the edges. It’s ridiculous.

Funny, I had just the opposite reaction. It seems like he thinks we suck, so make incremental improvements until we're only "1 player away". Either way, I agree it's ridiculous.

 

[Hobbesarable]

Lol @ complaining about thread clutter but keep posting in it, therefore it stays at the top and “clutters” the forum.

I come here to chew bubble gum and laugh my ass off.

 

[hoopsjock]

There isn't a poster here (including me) who has any fucking clue as to what is really offered, and what is realistic.

True but there are multiple ways we could've gotten expiring contracts based on deals that did happen.

 

[CupWizier]

There isn't a poster here (including me) who has any fucking clue as to what is really offered, and what is realistic.

This post should be a sticky to remind everyone of this as it becomes hilarious how some posters seem to think they know all the inner workings that go on behind closed doors regarding trades. It's the main reason I don't get worked up like some before the deadline.

 

[ripcityboy]

This post should be a sticky to remind everyone of this as it becomes hilarious how some posters seem to think they know all the inner workings that go on behind closed doors regarding trades. It's the main reason I don't get worked up like some before the deadline.

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This is probably as close to an approximation as your ever going to get on film. Michael Lewis was in the room with Billy Beane and Paul DePodesta. My guess is that the inner workings of front offices go a lot like this. A lot of that movie's portrayal of baseball was wrong but the characterizations were pretty good. Even if they had to change DePodesta's name for legal reasons.

 

[CupWizier]

This is probably as close to an approximation as your ever going to get on film. Michael Lewis was in the room with Billy Beane and Paul DePodesta. My guess is that the inner workings of front offices go a lot like this. A lot of that movie's portrayal of baseball was wrong but the characterizations were pretty good. Even if they had to change DePodesta's name for legal reasons.

That was a good movie and interesting to see some of the inner workings even though it was hollywoodized. The Kevin Costner film Draft Day was also an enjoyable movie, but I think the part the Wizard is getting at is that we don't know what was offered for player A and why it might have been rejected. Posters seem to prefer to make up their own scenario to fit their narrative rather than admit they don't know.

 

[ripcityboy]

That was a good movie and interesting to see some of the inner workings even though it was hollywoodized. The Kevin Costner film Draft Day was also an enjoyable movie, but I think the part the Wizard is getting at is that we don't know what was offered for player A and why it might have been rejected. Posters seem to prefer to make up their own scenario to fit their narrative rather than admit they don't know.

Yeah. I see what your saying. What I like about that movie is a lot of the factors being talked about are relevant to the Blazers situation. 1. Beane trading a player he knows the franchise wants and the coach adores 2. Depodesta worrying it will cost then their jobs.

I read the book and the movie portraits of the main characters are amazingly accurate. Aaron Sorkin was just brought in to toughen up the dialog.

But your absolutely right about the factors concerning the trades themselves. We can guess how they talked based on their personalities. But what they talk about or who with... look at the AD situation. They were fielding calls from around the league telling them not to cave in. So we as fans have no idea.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Every trade is a low-risk move that marginally improves the team (or doesn't improve the team.)

He hasn't made a single swing-for-the-fences trade since he came here.

No balls huh????

 

[Natebishop3]

No balls huh????

Trading Harkless and Meyers Leonard for Hassan Whiteside is not swing for the fences. It’s still a very calculated low risk trade. So was Bazemore for Turner.

They’re good trades but they’re not swing for the fences.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

No balls huh????

Whats the risk? He’s traded expirings for other expirings. Good deals no doubt but not exactly super risky.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Trading Harkless and Meyers Leonard for Hassan Whiteside is not swing for the fences. It’s still a very calculated low risk trade. So was Bazemore for Turner.

They’re good trades but they’re not swing for the fences.

Oh come on. Give some credit where its due. Everyone said he would need to attach picks to get rid of Turner, and leonard. He did so without.


Haters gonna hate......

 

[CupWizier]

Whats the risk? He’s traded expirings for other expirings. Good deals no doubt but not exactly super risky.

I really don't care if a deal is classified as a high risk high reward swing for the fence type. I like deals that make us a better team and so far it appears that's what Olshey has done in a extremely short time. Homerun hitters typically strike out a lot. That's why I was a huge Rod Carew and Tony Gwynn fan. They hit singles and doubles all day long into the hall of fame.

 

[Orion Bailey]

I really don't care if a deal is classified as a high risk high reward swing for the fence type. I like deals that make us a better team and so far it appears that's what Olshey has done in a extremely short time. Homerun hitters typically strike out a lot. That's why I was a huge Rod Carew and Tony Gwynn fan. They hit singles and doubles all day long into the hall of fame.

Frank Thomas is a rarity. Big bomber with a great average.

I agree with you though.

NO deserves some credit man!

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Oh come on. Give some credit where its due. Everyone said he would need to attach picks to get rid of Turner, and leonard. He did so without.


Haters gonna hate......

He did give NO credit, he said, “they’re good trades”, what he’s arguing is the risk involved in making those moves. They really arent high risk moves, which is perfectly fine if NO can make good moves that are low risk without giving up future assets thats a good thing.

 

[Orion Bailey]

He did give NO credit, he said, “they’re good trades”, what he’s arguing is the risk involved in making those moves. They really arent high risk moves, which is perfectly fine if NO can make good moves that are low risk without giving up future assets thats a good thing.

I understand. It isn't just this thread or the comment in the OP or title . Its the lack of credit NO gets from some period. So I think he deserves some for turning around 2016 that everyone said he fucked us on. Guess what? Not one of those contracts are now on the books and wee have better players than they were.

Sometimes the roller coaster is a long ride, but in the end, it sure seems to have been a great one over all.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Im just giving Nate shit.

 

[Natebishop3]

Oh come on. Give some credit where its due. Everyone said he would need to attach picks to get rid of Turner, and leonard. He did so without.


Haters gonna hate......

What does that have to do with swinging for the fences though?

 

[Orion Bailey]

What does that have to do with swinging for the fences though?

He is doing what he needs to do, not what you want him to do.

Would you have preferred I resurrected one of the other 50 NO bashing threads to provide a better title that fits?

I chose yours cause it was the first to pop up in my search. So im not focus on this thread as much as the NO hate in general and how itr should be prettily much quelled at this point, no?

 

[kjironman1]

He did give NO credit, he said, “they’re good trades”, what he’s arguing is the risk involved in making those moves. They really arent high risk moves, which is perfectly fine if NO can make good moves that are low risk without giving up future assets thats a good thing.

Thank you.

 

[oldmangrouch]

Oh come on. Give some credit where its due. Everyone said he would need to attach picks to get rid of Turner, and leonard. He did so without.


Haters gonna hate......

???? Good grief! Almost everyone is saying he made good trades - what's the beef? Even I gave him credit. Take the win and be happy!

 

[Orion Bailey]

???? Good grief! Almost everyone is saying he made good trades - what's the beef? Even I gave him credit. Take the win and be happy!

So this happens all the time here. A thread is bumped based on recent events. Im not allowed ot bump one of the NO hate threads for people to say he did a good job now?

Double standards here... Sheesh....or better yet... GOOD GRIEF......

 

[Hobbesarable]

I understand. It isn't just this thread or the comment in the OP or title . Its the lack of credit NO gets from some period. So I think he deserves some for turning around 2016 that everyone said he fucked us on. Guess what? Not one of those contracts are now on the books and wee have better players than they were.

Sometimes the roller coaster is a long ride, but in the end, it sure seems to have been a great one over all.

I like the calculated trades he made. He didn't give up assets beyond expiring contracts. He's attempting to change the culture a bit and possibly get over the playoffs hump into the finals. And it looks like we are finally moving beyond the 2016 free agency (which might have more to do with Paul Allen rather than Neil Olshey).

 

[Phatguysrule]

???? Good grief! Almost everyone is saying he made good trades - what's the beef? Even I gave him credit. Take the win and be happy!

Sure. Just don't talk about it too much. Wouldn't want anybody to feel like eating crow for lunch...

 

[Orion Bailey]

Its hilarious. It seems when the optomists are wrong, they are willing to eat crow. when the negative nancies are wrong, they just want to move on and enjoy the win without any acknowledgement of being wrong.



I say man up!

 

[wizenheimer]

Olshey has had a great off-season. Judged by early July's, this is his best in 7 years.

but I wouldn't call these ballsy moves at all. Like somebody else said, there was no substantial risk involved in any of these deals

one thing Olshey has reinforced so far is that he is the master of the bargain bin. When another team is looking to dump a player, Olshey manages to be the first knock on the door time and time again

 

[Portland2014]

Exactly, trading expirings for expirings is not necessarily proof of "having balls"...