Neil's plan?

[blue9]

OK people seriously need to get off the Hawes thing with short hindsight. Lets take a look back at the season prior to Olsheys offer to Hawes.

80 games played split between Cleveland and Philly 25 YO
30 mpg
13.5 ppg
8.3 rpg
3.0 apg
1.2 BPG
.456 fg%
.416 3pt%

That is not a "bad" player to go after especially when you are wanting to space the floor. It's easy to look back after the fact and feel like you know it all, but in reality you had no more clue at the time than Neil did that Hawes was going to lay an egg in LA.

By Comparison our Starting center was Lopez and in the same season
31 mpg
11.1 ppg
8.7 rpg
0.9 apg
1.7 bpg
.551 fg%
Zero 3pt attempts

Yeah terrible idea.

Whatever. I thought the idea sucked before we even met with him. He was a mediocre player on a horrible team, now he's a bad player on a good team. How a player that fits either of those descriptions becomes your #1 target is beyond me. It has nothing to do with hindsight or how he's performed for LAC.

 

[Natebishop3]

I don't get the Barnes love. Especially given how much people hated Nic. Even during Nic's "bad" year he was better than Barnes. Paying Barnes MAX would be stupid.

Barnes is lost on a team of young talented players. He's behind Curry, Thompson, Draymond, and Iggy. Maybe he just needs a change of scenery and a chance to shine. Look at what Will Barton is doing.

 

[BigGameDamian]

Lopez is horrible. Total waste of money. Plumlee is sooooo much better than Rolo.

Thats not the vibe I was getting last season from Blazers fans. Be interesting to see the drama unfold when the Blazers dump Plumlee. Stay tuned Blazers fans!

 

[Schilly]

Whatever. I thought the idea sucked before we even met with him. He was a mediocre player on a horrible team, now he's a bad player on a good team. How a player that fits either of those descriptions becomes your #1 target is beyond me. It has nothing to do with hindsight or how he's performed for LAC.

The gift or foresight is a true blessing, use it wisely.

 

[Strenuus]

Thats not the vibe I was getting last season from Blazers fans. Be interesting to see the drama unfold when the Blazers dump Plumlee. Stay tuned Blazers fans!

You keep trying, and it never works.

 

[BlazerWookee]

You keep trying, and it never works.

Oh, it works once in a while. Not very often, but once in a long, long, while...

 

[Blazers Roy]

So you would have signed him to a 13-14 million a year contract just so we could trade him? His value is in the toilet. We dodged a serious bullet.

The Knicks gave Robin a 4 year, $54 million deal. That's 13.5 per year. That's a HUGE overpay.

He's currently averaging 7.2 ppg, 5.4 rebounds, and a PER of 12.5. That's not going to get you many offers with that contract.

Yea, but he's playing for freakin Derek Fisher right now. When he played for Stotts he was a legit 10ppg and 8rpg per 30mpg guy and was considered a solid,valuable Center.

He also kinda kicked Plums in the butt last time they played so...

 

[Orion Bailey]

Yea, but he's playing for freakin Derek Fisher right now. When he played for Stotts he was a legit 10ppg and 8rpg per 30mpg guy and was considered a solid,valuable Center.

He also kinda kicked Plums in the butt last time they played so...

He was good on the team we got him for. Good for our current team? Hell no. And you don't think there was any motivation in outplaying Plums for one night do you? But what are thier stats for this year? I bet Plums kicks his ass in the stats.

 

[Blazers Roy]

Why is the Meyers Leonard pick always considered a "con" or a "loss"?

A list of the players taken after him in the First Round looks something like this:
12: Jeremy Lamb
13: Kendall Marshall
14: John Henson
15: Moe Harkless
16: Royce White
17: Tyler Zeller
18: Terrence Jones
19: Andrew Nicholson
20: Evan Fournier
21: Jared Sullinger
22: Fab Melo
23: John Jenkins
24: Jared Cunningham
25: Tony Wroten
26: Milkes Plumlee
27: Arnett Moultrie
28: Perry Jones
29: Marquis Teague
30: Festus Ezeli

Who exactly is A) a better player than Leonard right now? and B) a likely selection at 11?

The 2012 draft was extremely top-heavy and we missed out on a player like Andre Drummond at No.9, because we won too many games.

Lamb,Henson,Terrence Jones,Sullinger,Fournier.
There are a lot more on that list who i consider better than Biebs right now.

I really liked Lamb at the time, i was shocked he dropped that low.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Lamb,Henson,Terrence Jones,Sullinger,Fournier.
There are a lot more on that list who i consider better than Biebs right now.

I really liked Lamb at the time, i was shocked he dropped that low.

Right now.
But then?

Man... sooo many hindsight posts.....

 

[Blazers Roy]

He was good on the team we got him for. Good for our current team? Hell no. And you don't think there was any motivation in outplaying Plums for one night do you? But what are thier stats for this year? I bet Plums kicks his ass in the stats.

You ignored my entire reasoning by claiming that Lopez would have lower stats on a team with less offensive power.
I don't get that.

 

[Blazers Roy]

Right now.
But then?

Man... sooo many hindsight posts.....

I wanted Lamb, i thought he was going to be the next Reggie Miller lol.

[asshole mode]And i will never endorse spending a lottery pick on a white american center unless he's a defensive beast.[/asshole mode]

 

[Orion Bailey]

You ignored my entire reasoning by claiming that Lopez would have lower stats on a team with less offensive power.
I don't get that.

Because, Rolo was not one of our options. It went, LMA, Dame, Batum/Wes. If he was an actual 1-3 option, then I would understand your explaining his drop off.
Rolo probably had his best two years of his career with us. Same with Wes. The team was a team, but split them up and put one of them on this new team and it doesnt really work, except maybe Batum. Rolo was great for us while here, but Plums is better all around IMO.

 

[Blazers Roy]

Because, Rolo was not one of our options. It went, LMA, Dame, Batum/Wes. If he was an actual 1-3 option, then I would understand your explaining his drop off.
Rolo probably had his best two years of his career with us. Same with Wes. The team was a team, but split them up and put one of them on this new team and it doesnt really work, except maybe Batum. Rolo was great for us while here, but Plums is better all around IMO.

Guesses from both of out sides ,i suppose.

The Lopez thing doesn't bother me that much and i don't judge Neil for making that decision.

 

[Natebishop3]

I think some of you forget how bad Rolo was for the second half of last season.

I don't think anyone was happy with his production during the playoffs, and I don't remember anyone wanting to throw 12-13 million per year at him.

 

[Strenuus]

I think some of you forget how bad Rolo was for the second half of last season.

I don't think anyone was happy with his production during the playoffs, and I don't remember anyone wanting to throw 12-13 million per year at him.

I count 0 people wanting to sign him for that much.

And I was a rolo fan because he made his free throws as a center. That ended when everything else in his game did too.

 

[GriLtCheeZ]

I think Neil just wants to stay as flexible as possible. Get a good draft pick, and take advantage of any trade opportunities that might arise, develop the youngins'. Waiting for a Pippen or Chris Paul type of trade maybe?

 

[Sinobas]

Vonleh looks like a dud with that huge sample that we've seen from him and all those years in the league.

You act like he's only played 7 minutes this year. He's played 425 minutes, enough to get a feel for a player.

 

[chzbrgr]

You act like he's only played 7 minutes this year. He's played 425 minutes, enough to get a feel for a player.

by that logic we should give up on everyone who doesnt produce in their first 25 games so everyone but dame and CJ can kick rocks?

 

[Sinobas]

by that logic we should give up on everyone who doesnt produce in their first 25 games so everyone but dame and CJ can kick rocks?

No one on the team has produced less with the time given. In fact, few players in the league have produced less. I just said he looked like a dud. He's almost played enough minutes this year to fill up 10 straight full games. Maybe you are not capable of evaluating a player in that time, but that's your problem.

 

[Orion Bailey]

You act like he's only played 7 minutes this year. He's played 425 minutes, enough to get a feel for a player.

I think your right. I know I have. With that said I dont agree with you at all. VOnleh has shown noticable improvement in the following areas:
taking the basket to the hole.
outside shot
spacing
SETTING A PICK!

But what I've noticed the most is how much he has improved his defense and his confidence. The kid is still on training wheels when the league is setting up positions for the race. Give the kid some time. I think he has progressed as much as Leonard has regressed, and there is a guy who has had plenty of time...

 

[Sinobas]

Vonleh does so little that people get excited everytime he hits a shot. Dude is scoring under 8 points per 36 minutes. That's Joel Pryzbilla level offense. But Joel was an elite defensive player.

 

[chzbrgr]

No one on the team has produced less with the time given. In fact, few players in the league have produced less. I just said he looked like a dud. He's almost played enough minutes this year to fill up 10 straight full games. Maybe you are not capable of evaluating a player in that time, but that's your problem.

Thats impressive man! In 10 games worth of minutes you were able to extrapolate with certainty the future career of a 20 year old basketball player. Like that is a legit superpower!

It makes me wonder tho... are your talents wasted on watching the NBA? Are there more important problems that you can see the answer to? are there other things that you can foresee or is it just the NBA?...or is it just the blazers?

Frankly, I'm facinated

 

[Sinobas]

Thats impressive man! In 10 games worth of minutes you were able to extrapolate with certainty the future career of a 20 year old basketball player. Like that is a legit superpower!

It makes me wonder tho... are your talents wasted on watching the NBA? Are there more important problems that you can see the answer to? are there other things that you can foresee or is it just the NBA?...or is it just the blazers?

Frankly, I'm facinated

Come on dude. Don't act like a moron. I said he looked like a dud. I didn't say "I know with certainty that he will never amount to anything."

 

[chzbrgr]

Come on dude. Don't act like a moron. I said he looked like a dud. I didn't say "I know with certainty that he will never amount to anything."

maybe it should have been in green but there are better things to be worried about than 15mins out of a 20 year old like maybe the often anemic play of some of our vets. It was always gunna be a process with him and we havent even made it to his first allstar break in portland and you and many others are ready to declare him a dud. He is a child by NBA standards and like all children some are born developed and some develop over time we got the ladder in Vonleh so cool your jets cause we got 2 more years of him at least. And if you watched every summerleague game like I did you saw a very different player so pardon me if I dont shit my pants when he doesnt play well right now, he will eventually.

 

[HailBlazers]

Vonleh does so little that people get excited everytime he hits a shot. Dude is scoring under 8 points per 36 minutes. That's Joel Pryzbilla level offense. But Joel was an elite defensive player.

Do you know how long it took Pryz to even become a role player in this league? I'll wait.

 

[Sinobas]

Do you know how long it took Pryz to even become a role player in this league? I'll wait.

Joel averaged 4 blocks and 10 boards per 36 his rookie year. Even though he was terrible on offense, at least he was a defensive force from the start.

 

[Sinobas]

maybe it should have been in green but there are better things to be worried about than 15mins out of a 20 year old like maybe the often anemic play of some of our vets. It was always gunna be a process with him and we havent even made it to his first allstar break in portland and you and many others are ready to declare him a dud. He is a child by NBA standards and like all children some are born developed and some develop over time we got the ladder in Vonleh so cool your jets cause we got 2 more years of him at least. And if you watched every summerleague game like I did you saw a very different player so pardon me if I dont shit my pants when he doesnt play well right now, he will eventually.

You can shit your pants if you want to. We were talking about Neil's moves, and Vonleh was one of them. So far he looks like a dud to me. If you don't think so, whatever. We all have our own opinions. Jesus.

 

[HailBlazers]

Joel averaged 4 blocks and 10 boards per 36 his rookie year. Even though he was terrible on offense, at least he was a defensive force from the start.

Per 36 at 8 mins a game? Nice try.

 

[Natebishop3]

Come on dude. Don't act like a moron. I said he looked like a dud. I didn't say "I know with certainty that he will never amount to anything."

Playing for 15 minutes of overall game time is not the same thing as playing 36 minutes of overall game time. It's difficult to get into the flow of the game. Trying to extrapolate his numbers based on playing a full game, as opposed to playing essentially one quarter, is ridiculous.