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Natebishop3 said:
Playing for 15 minutes of overall game time is not the same thing as playing 36 minutes of overall game time. It's difficult to get into the flow of the game. Trying to extrapolate his numbers based on playing a full game, as opposed to playing essentially one quarter, is ridiculous.
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It's not ridiculous. If it takes you a quarter to warm up and start producing, you shouldn't be playing. Produce when you're on the court, period. Almost every other player in the NBA, starter or not, produces more per 36.

And Vonleh has played over 20 minutes in a game 5 times this year and he's scored a grand total of 18 points in those games (with 9 of those coming in 1 game). So he hasn't scored at a higher rate when he plays more minutes.
 
This is fun, I"m destroying all of you guys at once.:lift:
 
Sinobas said:
It's not ridiculous. If it takes you a quarter to warm up and start producing, you shouldn't be playing. Produce when you're on the court, period. Almost every other player in the NBA, starter or not, produces more per 36.

And Vonleh has played over 20 minutes in a game 5 times this year and he's scored a grand total of 18 points in those games (with 9 of those coming in 1 game). So he hasn't scored at a higher rate when he plays more minutes.
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The more minutes, the more rhythm you build in that game. A better rythym means he's more likely to play better in general. Everyone knows that. Building a rhythm is different than just "warming up".

When you don't have a good feel for the level of play yet, every time you're able to build a great rhythm in one game, it's a confidence builder and a step to finally getting used to the level of play.

Trust me, I know this cuz I'm going through the same thing.
 
BonesJones said:
The more minutes, the more rhythm you build in that game. A better rythym means he's more likely to play better in general. Everyone knows that. Building a rhythm is different than just "warming up".

When you don't have a good feel for the level of play yet, every time you're able to build a great rhythm in one game, it's a confidence builder and a step to finally getting used to the level of play.

Trust me, I know this cuz I'm going through the same thing.
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Utter non-sense bullshit. If that were true, teams would score substantially less in the 1st quarter than other quarters as players are "building their rhythm.

Your arguement = destroyed. LOL! Anyone else?
 
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Sinobas said:
Utter non-sense bullshit. If that were true, teams would score substantially less in the 1st quarter than other quarters as players are "building their rhythm.

Your arguement = destroyed. LOL! Anyone else?
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that's because the rythym hasn't been established yet, plus they've built a little rythym in warmups.

I don't know how else to explain it to someone who's probably never played at a higher level than the local recreational league
 
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Sinobas said:
Utter non-sense bullshit. If that were true, teams would score substantially less in the 1st quarter than other quarters as players are "building their rhythm.

Your arguement = destroyed. LOL! Anyone else?
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I have heard far more knowledgeable and experienced experts than you talk about getting into a rhythm and needing time to get into the flow of the game. How often does Dame immediately come in and start producing? Very few players are capable of being a microwave kind of player. Those guys are few and far between, and that's why they're still pretty successful as 6th men in the league. You have no idea what you're talking about.
 
Neil: Ah we'll just wing it.
 
Sinobas said:
The problem with beating someone intellectually, is that they usually don't even realize they've been beaten. It's like beating up a guy with no nerve endings.
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You beat me intellectually when it comes to this? Haha

PLEASE tell me what was the highest level of ball you ever played. Be honest.

You sound like Skip Bayless, acting like you know how the mental part of the game works even though you have no intellect on the subject, as you have no experience. But somehow you still act like you have more intellect than those who have actually stepped on the court.

To make up for your lack of intellect, you talk louder and say trollish things like the post above, which reminds me of the type of thing Skip Bayless would spit out of his shit-spewing mouth.
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
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The hell is Brooklyn doing? Are they trying to win? Because it sure doesn't look like it. But that would make no sense since their pick is not protected, so it'll go to Boston regardless of where they end up.

We should trade them Henderson or maybe Meyers.
 
Darkwebs said:
The hell is Brooklyn doing? Are they trying to win? Because it sure doesn't look like it. But that would make no sense since their pick is not protected, so it'll go to Boston regardless of where they end up.

We should trade them Henderson or maybe Meyers.
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I bet you they'd bite on Meyers
 
Where'd Sinobas go? I guess I ran him outta here and took control of this thread.
 
Olshey shouldn't be judged on this year's team alone. You should add Hibbert, Hawes, and Kanter to the roster. Then judge him.
 
That was a great post. As I've told you guys, great art can be interpreted in multiple ways. They will study my posts a thousand years from now.
 
jlprk said:
Olshey shouldn't be judged on this year's team alone. You should add Hibbert, Hawes, and Kanter to the roster. Then judge him.
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If we had Hibbert we wouldn't have offered for Kanter. So you only add one of them. And if were considering guys who we only thought of adding (Hawes) then we should add Monroe too. This is sounding like a very solid frontcourt...
 
chzbrgr said:
by that logic we should give up on everyone who doesnt produce in their first 25 games so everyone but dame and CJ can kick rocks?
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So the fact that CJ, Crabbe, and Plums haven't sucked is also meaningless? You can't have it both ways.
 
HolyBackboard said:
Why is the Meyers Leonard pick always considered a "con" or a "loss"?

A list of the players taken after him in the First Round looks something like this:
12: Jeremy Lamb
13: Kendall Marshall
14: John Henson
15: Moe Harkless
16: Royce White
17: Tyler Zeller
18: Terrence Jones
19: Andrew Nicholson
20: Evan Fournier
21: Jared Sullinger
22: Fab Melo
23: John Jenkins
24: Jared Cunningham
25: Tony Wroten
26: Milkes Plumlee
27: Arnett Moultrie
28: Perry Jones
29: Marquis Teague
30: Festus Ezeli

Who exactly is A) a better player than Leonard right now? and B) a likely selection at 11?
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players with PER > 15 this season who were available when Olshey drafted Leonard (whose PER this season is 9.5):

19.3 John Henson
19.2 Draymond Green
19.0 Kyle O'Quinn
18.4 Jeremy Lamb
17.1 Jared Sullinger
16.8 Tyler Zeller
16.0 Mike Scott
15.1 Jae Crowder

undrafted:
16.6 Kent Bazemore
16.1 Mirza Teletovic

http://bkref.com/tiny/UNOK5
 
BonesJones said:
Where'd Sinobas go? I guess I ran him outta here and took control of this thread.
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I already annihilated your argument. You're Jose Aldo, in a confused daze, dreaming about winning, not understanding that you just got knocked out with one punch in 13 seconds.
 
Sinobas said:
I already annihilated your argument. You're Jose Aldo, in a confused daze, dreaming about winning, not understanding that you just got knocked out with one punch in 13 seconds.
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How so? You didn't address one point I made (because you can't). Didn't answer my question of how high of a level of basketball you ever played. You're just trolling, and I expect better of you.
 
All that Sinobas said was that Vonleh "looks like a dud," and posters jumped on him like he had cruelly condemned Vonleh to the guillotine.
 
jlprk said:
All that Sinobas said was that Vonleh "looks like a dud," and posters jumped on him like he had cruelly condemned Vonleh to the guillotine.
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I didn't read that stuff. My point wasn't really about Vonleh but about young players getting used to a higher level and about getting into a rhythm compared to playing time, which he then called utter bullshit and claimed he was more intellectual about it than me.
 
Schilly said:
OK people seriously need to get off the Hawes thing with short hindsight. Lets take a look back at the season prior to Olsheys offer to Hawes.

80 games played split between Cleveland and Philly 25 YO
30 mpg
13.5 ppg
8.3 rpg
3.0 apg
1.2 BPG
.456 fg%
.416 3pt%

That is not a "bad" player to go after especially when you are wanting to space the floor. It's easy to look back after the fact and feel like you know it all, but in reality you had no more clue at the time than Neil did that Hawes was going to lay an egg in LA.

By Comparison our Starting center was Lopez and in the same season
31 mpg
11.1 ppg
8.7 rpg
0.9 apg
1.7 bpg
.551 fg%
Zero 3pt attempts

Yeah terrible idea.
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Hawes was widely considered a fuckup until his one adequate year for the awful 76ers. Other than one year's stats, he was a clown. And he was nothing great for Philadelphia.

Natebishop3 said:
He was one of the most sought after free agents. People seem to forget that.
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Only Olshey said that, to justify his pursuit. The only other team who made Hawes an offer was the Clippers. Even if you find one other team which mildly expressed interest, the fact remains that the whole league saw Hawes as a Donald Trump-like blowhard, who in the media was always begging for someone to argue with him about politics, but couldn't put out on the court. The black equivalent would get banished from the league by all the Canzanos.
 
Sinobas said:
The problem with beating someone intellectually, is that they usually don't even realize they've been beaten. It's like beating up a guy with no nerve endings.
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Trying to be as impartial as I can, I think this statement was directed at yourself? Warm ups and getting into rhythm are completely different. By your standards then everyone should produce in their first 5 minutes or be benched?

It is you that isn't making any sense. Sorry....
 
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