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Lanny said:
There are so many that I couldn't list half of them.
1. Increase funding for the CDC rather than decreasing it;
2. DACA path to citizenship;
3. Appointing judges that know what a court room looks like;
4. Releasing the President's tax returns;
5. Rolling back the tax cuts for the wealthy;
6. Better configuring Obama Care such that the rolls are increased;
7. Replacing inexperienced ambassadors with ones who actually know what they're doing;
8. Treating immigrants seeking asylum more humanely;
9. Negotiating trade agreements better and working with our allies on trade agreements;
10. Strengthening NATO rather than weakening it;
11. Rejoining the Paris agreement on climate control;
12. Slowly increasing renewable energy and adding nuclear power to the discussion;
13. Retoring SNAP;
14. Halting the pardoning of serious criminals;
15. Not lying to the public;
16. Quit grabbing women by the pussy;
17. Not calling African countries "shit-hole countries";
18. Better service to Puerto Rico;
19. Getting Saudi Arabia to properly account for the death of Jamal Khashoggi;
20. Stop aiding Saudi Arabia in their brutal war in Yemen and providing food and water for the starving population.

I could go on forever but that would be incredibly boring.
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Nice list. Now, of these, which ones would you describe as strict policy issues that wouldn't require House nor Senate approvals(s)?
 
ABM said:
Nice list. Now, of these, which ones would you describe as strict policy issues that wouldn't require House nor Senate approvals(s)?
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What's Congressional approval got to do with any of it? I'm talking about simple improvements pushed through by the President.
Besides, Congress already approves of some of it, even without Presidential arm twisting.
 
Lanny said:
What's Congressional approval got to do with any of it? I'm talking about simple improvements pushed through by the President.
Besides, Congress already approves of some of it, even without Presidential arm twisting.
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There are plenty of issues that require negotiations, deal-making, etc. with Congress, and others. But, hey, much of that can be subject to personal opinion(s), too, so..... Anyway, I did notice many of the items on your list pertained to things other than policy. But that's OK, too. We all have our personal gripes.

I did take one of your listed items - DACA, pathway to citizenship - and did a quick Google search. This article popped up. The main reason I did this was because not everything is absolutely cut-and-dried: There are generally two sides to every issue. I think Trump's biggest opposition to DACA is that, out of fairness to the ones that have entered into this country properly and legally, we been to have systems and laws that take this into account. I understand, immigration is a HUGE and divided issue. But, just because Trump has opposing views to your own....doesn't necessarily make him explicitly wrong on the matter.

https://www.pri.org/stories/2018-03...rvative-latinos-explain-their-opposition-daca
 
ABM said:
Apparently, you missed some of the things I already had to say on the subjects...or chose not to comment. Either way, that's OK.
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No, I read it...just found it odd that you chose to quote me and direct your comment at me.
 
yankeesince59 said:
No, I read it...just found it odd that you chose to quote me and direct your comment at me.
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Because you chose not to engage in any means of productive dialog. I mean, how else to you respond to "BINGO!" :smiley-puzzled:

Besides, I had already responded to crandc, if you had noticed.
 
crandc said:
The garden is planted, the bread is baked, the floor is swept and I have no campaign events until tomorrow morning. So...

First as to upper limits on abortion of healthy fetus. Only 2% of abortions are third trimester. The vast majority of those are either medical emergency of the woman or severe fetal defect. Occasionally it is a drastic life emergency (severe sudden financial crisis, abandonment, homelessness, etc.) A few involve a woman who was raped and is in denial - especially very young girls - until she just can no longer deny she really truly is pregnant. Women just don't sit around for 8 1/2 months and then decide to have an abortion because they have a little headache or can't fit into prom dresses - statements made up by anti-abortion fanatics. Women do sometimes postpone the procedure due to all the laws designed to make getting an abortion as difficult, time consuming, and expensive as possible but that is not the woman's choice. So, if you say you want to outlaw late abortion, well, who decides what is and is not an emergency? Only the woman in consultation with her doctor and others she might choose to bring in. Which will never be a state legislator.

For the record, I was raised in an observant Jewish home although I became a conscious atheist at an early age. The Jewish faith does not prohibit abortion and explicitly does not consider abortion murder. Halacha (Jewish law) holds a human life begins when a baby is born and draws breath. And also if there is a conflict between the needs of the pregnant woman and the fetus, the woman takes precedence, and no woman should be compelled to carry a child against her will. So if you religion teaches otherwise and you want to follow that in your own life, fine, but it violates the First Amendment to make your religion secular law that everyone must follow.

As to putting women in prison to stop them from getting abortions - not so far-fetched. During the civil war in Yugoslavia thousands of Croatian and Bosnian women and young girls were held in rape camps which are exactly what they sound like, repeatedly raped by Serbian forces. During the entire time abortion was legal up through the first six months of pregnancy, so women who became pregnant were held prisoner until the seventh month to prevent abortion.

I know of two cases in this country. In one a college student, who like many students was having a hard time financially, got involved in a white collar crime. She was extremely remorseful, very anxious her family not hear since she said she came from a traditional Chinese-American family where the disgrace of one was the disgrace of all, it was a first offense. Her co-defendants all got probation and community service. But the judge learned she was pregnant and had already made an appointment for an abortion, so she was sentenced to prison explicitly to prevent her from getting an abortion. Her lawyer challenged this, successfully, but the judge knew the order wasn't legal. All that was necessary was to hold the woman for a few months until she could no longer get a legal abortion. The woman dropped out of school and is now a struggling single mother who feels she let her family down.

The other case was a teen. She was uncertain what she wanted to do, and she and her parents had scheduled a consultation with a doctor to learn about abortion. She wanted information so she could make the best decision for herself. Her boyfriend and his parents showed up armed at her home and held the family hostage. They called police, but were unaware the boyfriend's parents had made an arrangement with the local police chief, an anti-abortion fanatic. He arrived and arrested the parents for "endangering the welfare of a minor" by taking her to discuss abortion. She was put into foster care. Again, the charges did not have to legally stick and did not, all that was necessary was to keep the young woman in custody of the state until she was too far along to get an abortion.

Yes, we all have our opinions. If you have an opinion that abortion is bad and therefore choose not to have an abortion I respect that even if the circumstances were ones where I myself would never carry a pregnancy. I oppose the one child policy and forced abortions that took place in China. But - when you try to make your opinions into law, so that my body is governed by your opinion, I am going to object to my dying breath and beyond.
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I don't think the government should have a say, its a women choice, for me its all about lessor gov involvement on many fronts.
 
ABM said:
Because you chose not to engage in any means of productive dialog. I mean, how else to you respond to "BINGO!" :smiley-puzzled:

Besides, I had already responded to crandc, if you had noticed.
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...and my response was to crandc, not you, if you had noticed. But hey, maybe you should take your own advice on 'ignore".
 
yankeesince59 said:
...and my response was to crandc, not you, if you had noticed. But hey, maybe you should take your own advice on 'ignore".
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And what a gripping response it was. Thanks, as always, for adding to the discussion.
 
ABM said:
And what a gripping response it was. Thanks, as always, for adding to the discussion.
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...lol..well, evidently it was "gripping" enough to manipulate you into feeling the need to respond to it...not very bright on your part to first reply to it and then complain about it after the fact

...and you're quite welcome for my addition to the discussion.
 
yankeesince59 said:
...lol..well, evidently it was "gripping" enough to manipulate you into feeling the need to respond to it...not very bright on your part to first reply to it and then complain about it after the fact

...and you're quite welcome for my addition to the discussion.
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Carrying you along is, in fact, quite fun. My Oxycontin response, while a bit facetious, was also germane to what crandc had commented on, as well as your super-duper BINGO remark. Thanks for playing. I've referred to you as Cup-lite in the past, but I think you're now showing great promise as a stand-alone entity. Keep up the great work!
 
ABM said:
Carrying you along is, in fact, quite fun. My Oxycontin response, while a bit facetious, was also germane to what crandc had commented on, as well as your super-duper BINGO remark. Thanks for playing. I've referred to you as Cup-lite in the past, but I think you're now showing great promise as a stand-alone entity. Keep up the great work!
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...no need to worry about that...my work is always great.

...and as I've pointed out before...you're not much of a challenge in a debate, but good enough for "batting practice".
 
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yankeesince59 said:
...no need to worry about...my work is always great.

...and as I've pointed out before...you're not much of a challenge in a debate, but good enough for "batting practice".
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Aww...so sorry to disappoint.
 
yankeesince59 said:
FAKE NEWS !!!...You're only saying that because I have a cape and you don't.
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You have to talk about my lack of a cape as a distraction while you pay the networks to rig them! The whole thing's a giant conspiracy against those who have no capes.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
You have to talk about my lack of a cape as a distraction while you pay the networks to rig them! The whole thing's a giant conspiracy against those who have no capes.
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OK..you got me...what color and what size cape would you prefer?

Edit; Also, you now have the option of having the standard rope fastener or upgrading to velcro.
 
ABM said:
What is your #1 low-hanging-fruit problem to be solved?
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Senseless violence how we deal with that. Kids shouldn't go to school in fear they might get shot by some other kid spraying bullets into the air. Parents shouldn't tremble every time they get news that, "some event" happened where their kids would be. I am fine with guns being legal, but a balanced approach to gun regulation that doesn't cater to gun lobbyist's, that works at removing guns and deadly devices from inner cities that are increasingly violent. I think that is the thing that we need to focus on. I have kids, I work with kids and kids are genuinely scared of what might happen to them at school. There seems to be an all or nothing type of approach to this issue, where it's heavy-handed and let's throw everyone in jail type of movement or everyone get's a gun to shoot each other movement. Whatever the answers are though I think it's time we did what we can to make kids feel safe.
 
yankeesince59 said:
OK..you got me...what color and what size cape would you prefer?

Edit; Also, you now have the option of having the standard rope fastener or upgrading to velcro.
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Blue with orange trim. Velcro please less of a chance my wife uses that to strangle me.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
Senseless violence how we deal with that. Kids shouldn't go to school in fear they might get shot by some other kid spraying bullets into the air. Parents shouldn't tremble every time they get news that, "some event" happened where their kids would be. I am fine with guns being legal, but a balanced approach to gun regulation that doesn't cater to gun lobbyist's, that works at removing guns and deadly devices from inner cities that are increasingly violent. I think that is the thing that we need to focus on. I have kids, I work with kids and kids are genuinely scared of what might happen to them at school. There seems to be an all or nothing type of approach to this issue, where it's heavy-handed and let's throw everyone in jail type of movement or everyone get's a gun to shoot each other movement. Whatever the answers are though I think it's time we did what we can to make kids feel safe.
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Agreed.

By the way, this is an issue Obama, and many other past US Presidents, have had to deal with, as well. There ain't no easy answers on this one.
 
yankeesince59 said:
Well, I would agree with you but that would prevent you from once again being wrong.
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Hey, it's all fun. :) I just kinda like yank-ing your chain about as much as you seemingly despise Trump...and all his followers. I've never quite understood the bleeding liberal anger and hate for the man that's displayed in here. But, hey...Go Blazers!
 
“Humans! They lived in a world where the grass continued to be green and the sun rose every day and flowers regularly turned into fruit, and what impressed them? Weeping statues. And wine made out of water! A mere quantum-mechanistic tunnel effect, that'd happen anyway if you were prepared to wait zillions of years. As if the turning of sunlight into wine, by means of vines and grapes and time and enzymes, wasn't a thousand times more impressive and happened all the time...”
― Terry Pratchett, Small Gods
 
ABM said:
There are plenty of issues that require negotiations, deal-making, etc. with Congress, and others. But, hey, much of that can be subject to personal opinion(s), too, so..... Anyway, I did notice many of the items on your list pertained to things other than policy. But that's OK, too. We all have our personal gripes.

I did take one of your listed items - DACA, pathway to citizenship - and did a quick Google search. This article popped up. The main reason I did this was because not everything is absolutely cut-and-dried: There are generally two sides to every issue. I think Trump's biggest opposition to DACA is that, out of fairness to the ones that have entered into this country properly and legally, we been to have systems and laws that take this into account. I understand, immigration is a HUGE and divided issue. But, just because Trump has opposing views to your own....doesn't necessarily make him explicitly wrong on the matter.

https://www.pri.org/stories/2018-03...rvative-latinos-explain-their-opposition-daca
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Trump used to have the same views on DACA that the current proponents have but he changed his position to suit his base. Politics rule Trump. This is the same reason that he switched his position on abortion.
 
Lanny said:
Trump used to have the same views on DACA that the current proponents have but he changed his position to suit his base. Politics rule Trump. This is the same reason that he switched his position on abortion.
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Well, he should suit his base. People do change their minds. Reagan was once a Democrat. Bloomberg was once a Republican.

At any rate, did you see that link I had included?
 
ABM said:
Well, he should suit his base. People do change their minds. Reagan was once a Democrat. Bloomberg was once a Republican.

At any rate, did you see that link I had included?
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No, I'm busy catching up on unread posts in two forums.
 
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