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[BrianFromWA]

The point really is that we shouldn't have to....you're not killing all these kids if you can't easily access a weapon and ammo....

You may have changed the topic on me...are you talking about "assault rifles" now or just a regular, 16-in-the-clip-and-one-in-the-hole WalMart special? I agree that it's harder to club 50 people than shoot them, but if you're saying eradicate all weapons then it's kind of a convo-stopper right there. If not, most of the "mass shootings" at schools are done with run-of-the-mill handguns. Not excusing it, but

the chances that a responsibly armed person will thwart a mass shooting in a public place is not really realistic in this country

I feel like you can't have it both ways, either there are "way too many guns in population" (300M or so), or there aren't enough responsibly armed people to thwart a mass shooting. Probably not both. Thing is, the responsibly-armed shooter, by definition, isn't in a gun-free zone. Only irresponsibly armed shooters and law enforcement (unless the school has armed personnel), whenever they happen to show up. Which, on the order of minutes, doesn't matter if you have an uzi or a single-shot shotgun...people are going down.

I don't see guns as the hero in civilian instances of rage and terrorism. Maybe tasers or tranquilizers would be a better solution...

There may be something to that, but being outgunned (literally) is not generally the way to protect someone. It's a good way to end up dead yourself.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I think there might be more. But generally smaller body count, except in Arkansas.

barfo

Arkansas would have fewer home school shootings, lots of packin' Grampa Marzys roaming the home school halls.

 

[MARIS61]

Maybe all we need to do is outlaw psychiatrists?

Seriously.

 

[MARIS61]

If someone is threatening to you, you can initiate peace by using your gun!

I mean, one pop, they're dead, and the confrontation is over in an instant! Sounds like peace to me!

Sounds like self defense to me.

Peace is not something you can force upon others, and someone who threatens others is an obvious preventer of peace.

Let him Rest In Peace.

 

[MARIS61]

Clearly everyone just needs a gun. Problem solved. The best way to tackle the gun problem is definitely to throw more guns into the mix.

Clearly, you don't think you need a gun.

Maybe you don't want a gun.

So...don't have a gun.

It's a free country, but only because other Americans have guns.

 

[MARIS61]

The point really is that we shouldn't have to....you're not killing all these kids if you can't easily access a weapon and ammo....the chances that a responsibly armed person will thwart a mass shooting in a public place is not really realistic in this country...just seems without the gun and ammo he might kill a couple people before he's brought down...he's not killing 17 in 6 minutes with a club or knife...I don't see guns as the hero in civilian instances of rage and terrorism. Maybe tasers or tranquilizers would be a better solution...

That's utter nonsense.

Turn in your guns yet?

 

[MarAzul]

I suspect the left, loves to use the opportunity, "calling for legislative action on gun control, saying it's "long overdue.".

The point really is that we shouldn't have to....you're not killing all these kids if you can't easily access a weapon

If we home schooled everyone there would be no more school shootings.

Arkansas would have fewer home school shootings, lots of packin' Grampa Marzys roaming the home school halls.

No action wanted on the left. No need to eliminate the opportunity. Progress is costly, but its just a few kids.

 

[MarAzul]

There is no federal law requiring schools to be gun free zones.

And then we have this Gem.

 

[MARIS61]

Why do people have children, if they do not want to care for children?
Why do single moms become such when they know they must work, and they have no partner?
Why do we make schools Gun free zones with no one guarding the safety of the occupants?
Father guard the home (maybe momma)
Security guards the Moda Center.
Police guard City Hall.
The Sheriff guard the County Jail.

Why did we turn the Schools into Killing Zones?

Dems can't confiscate guns if we don't have lots of innocent victims. So they legislated to make our schools targets, opened the border to re-start heroin and meth epidemics, race-baited the public to bring back our fading differences, and used Obamacare to destroy the economy and create unemployment.

Sadly, that is exactly why we suddenly have all these school murders, which were comparatively rare before Obama was elected. His FBI has allowed several to happen (apparently on purpose).

228 school shootings (mostly single victim, known to killer) in the entire 20th century.

42 school shootings during the Bush terms.

145 school shootings during the Obama terms.

 

[riverman]

You may have changed the topic on me...are you talking about "assault rifles" now or just a regular, 16-in-the-clip-and-one-in-the-hole WalMart special? I agree that it's harder to club 50 people than shoot them, but if you're saying eradicate all weapons then it's kind of a convo-stopper right there. If not, most of the "mass shootings" at schools are done with run-of-the-mill handguns. Not excusing it, but


I feel like you can't have it both ways, either there are "way too many guns in population" (300M or so), or there aren't enough responsibly armed people to thwart a mass shooting. Probably not both. Thing is, the responsibly-armed shooter, by definition, isn't in a gun-free zone. Only irresponsibly armed shooters and law enforcement (unless the school has armed personnel), whenever they happen to show up. Which, on the order of minutes, doesn't matter if you have an uzi or a single-shot shotgun...people are going down.

There may be something to that, but being outgunned (literally) is not generally the way to protect someone. It's a good way to end up dead yourself.

I just think it's way more fear than demonstrablity when it comes to being armed and thinking we're safer than unarmed here in the states...for gun enthusiasts, this will always be a dead conversation because they find security in weaponry...I felt safer without weaponry than I do with it actually when I compare the realities of life in a country with and without gun laws...people don't want to look at the problem with the possibilities that we just might not need the damned things one day ..the idea of armed militia goes back to when states really weren't sure they'd trust each other....all 13 of them at the time...America is armed to the teeth yet we are having mass shootings in public....you and I owning guns isn't stopping anything

 

[riverman]

No action wanted on the left

you're really hung up on these left and right descriptions...even though they don't mean jack shit...talk to your fellow citizens as fellow citizens and stop with the Hatfield and McCoy partisan line in the sand...you might actually have an inclusive conversation if you can bridge that gap

 

[riverman]

.are you talking about "assault rifles" now

This is where I would start

 

[Nate]

The point really is that we shouldn't have to....you're not killing all these kids if you can't easily access a weapon and ammo....the chances that a responsibly armed person will thwart a mass shooting in a public place is not really realistic in this country...just seems without the gun and ammo he might kill a couple people before he's brought down...he's not killing 17 in 6 minutes with a club or knife...I don't see guns as the hero in civilian instances of rage and terrorism. Maybe tasers or tranquilizers would be a better solution...

I could kill way more than 17 people in 6 minutes with a knife. I could kill more than 17 people in 6 minutes, with multiple everyday household items.

Guns aren’t the fucking problem lol.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

 

[BonesJones]

The only countries ahead of us are much poorer/ much more lawless.

 

[H.C.]

I could kill way more than 17 people in 6 minutes with a knife. I could kill more than 17 people in 6 minutes, with multiple everyday household items.

Guns aren’t the fucking problem lol.

You know I generally ignore your posts like I ignore maris... But this one is so hilarious I can't help but laugh at it.

If you were to take a knife into a school and stab one person in the hallway...
You might get to stab a couple others before you're either taken down by staff. Or everyone ends up safely out of your reach.
Doesn't work that way with assault rifles.
This post you made is one of the dumbest things I've read on this forum recently.

 

[calvin natt]

Dems can't confiscate guns if we don't have lots of innocent victims. So they legislated to make our schools targets, opened the border to re-start heroin and meth epidemics, race-baited the public to bring back our fading differences, and used Obamacare to destroy the economy and create unemployment.

Sadly, that is exactly why we suddenly have all these school murders, which were comparatively rare before Obama was elected. His FBI has allowed several to happen (apparently on purpose).

228 school shootings (mostly single victim, known to killer) in the entire 20th century.

42 school shootings during the Bush terms.

145 school shootings during the Obama terms.

jesus. get a grip. you can have your guns. relax.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

You know I generally ignore your posts like I ignore maris... But this one is so hilarious I can't help but laugh at it.

If you were to take a knife into a school and stab one person in the hallway...
You might get to stab a couple others before you're either taken down by staff. Or everyone ends up safely out of your reach.
Doesn't work that way with assault rifles.
This post you made is one of the dumbest things I've read on this forum recently.

I don't want to give people ideas but it would be pretty easy to get a good number of people with a knife at school. 6 minutes would be tough though.

Assault rifles are just easy as fuck because they can spray bullets.

 

[calvin natt]

I could kill way more than 17 people in 6 minutes with a knife. I could kill more than 17 people in 6 minutes, with multiple everyday household items.

Guns aren’t the fucking problem lol.

Ugh. Crazy. I'll take my chances with a knife vs gun.

 

[barfo]

I can kill 1250 people in 35 seconds with just a paperclip and a chapstick. Yet no one argues for chapstick control.

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_Regional_High_School_stabbing

The Franklin Regional High School stabbing was a mass stabbing that occurred on April 9, 2014, at Franklin Regional High School in Murrysville, Pennsylvania. Alex Hribal, a 16-year-old sophomore at the school, used a pair of eight-inch kitchen knives to stab and slash 20 students and a security guard.

 

[Denny Crane]

Education Week.

https://www.edweek.org/ew/articles/2014/04/23/29knives_ep.h33.html

Large-scale shootings have been a dominant driver of school safety debates, but a stabbing spree at a Pennsylvania high school this month should serve as a reminder that educators need to be prepared for a range of situations—including smaller, nonfatal incidents that don't involve guns at all, school safety experts say.

Following most school shootings—like the December 2012 killings at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn.—conversation quickly turns to the polarizing subject of gun policy.

And while some districts work to implement comprehensive safety plans that address mental-health concerns, school climate, and security procedures, policymakers often direct efforts and resources specifically toward the prevention of gun-related incidents, experts say.

"When we focus our policy responses almost entirely on firearms in these events, we overlook major things and we aren't going to address the root of the problem," said Laura E. Agnich, an assistant professor of criminal justice and criminology at Georgia Southern University in Statesboro.

That narrow focus can lead to "knee jerk" responses such as overly broad zero-tolerance policies and costly building upgrades, instead of research-based school climate measures and carefully practiced safety procedures, Ms. Agnich said.

In the 2010-11 school year, U.S. public schools reported 5,000 cases of student possession of a firearm or explosive device, and 72,300 cases of possession of a knife or other sharp object, according to the most recent information available from the U.S. Department of Education.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Nobody died in that. Still terrifying

 

[H.C.]

I don't want to give people ideas but it would be pretty easy to get a good number of people with a knife at school. 6 minutes would be tough though.

Assault rifles are just easy as fuck because they can spray bullets.

I think in a school it would be pretty hard to find kids alone so that when you stab one person. Or slit their throat... Another kid doesn't yell, scream, or attempt to subdue you.
Most kids today aren't supposed to be alone ever at schools. They do disappear with their friends, at times. But rarely are they alone. If the school staff is doing their job, even loners aren't alone.

AR's are easy, due to not being able to out run a bullet easily.
Where you can do damage with a knife, but good luck keeping people from screaming at the very least.

 

[Denny Crane]

There are few mass stabbings in US schools. The number of 2-3 people stabbed in schools is much higher than you'd want to think about.

Overseas where they have stricter limits on liberty to own guns, they are far more common.

20 students/teachers stabbed in Perm, Russia:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/school-stabbing-injures-teacher-20-students-perm-russia-n837751

Multiple mass stabbings in Chinese schools since 2010, including the 2012 stabbing of 23 children and "an elderly woman."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chenpeng_Village_Primary_School_stabbing

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...nese-media-covers-u-s-gun-violence/348171002/
And while China not infrequently suffers from mass attacks, the difficulty in getting a gun or a bomb in China means the casualties are mostly limited to the unlucky few who get stabbed. On Feb. 11, for example, a man knifed 13 people. “This weekend, a man with a grievance attacked people in a mall in Beijing. One person died,” the Beijing-based Wall Street Journal reporter Josh Chin tweeted. “Four days later a man with a grievance attacks people in a high school in Florida. At least 17 die. Guess the difference."

https://www.cnn.com/2016/02/29/asia/china-school-stabbings/index.html
China: 10 schoolchildren stabbed; assailant kills himself

http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=80964
8 Children Dead in Japanese School Stabbing

 

[H.C.]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_Regional_High_School_stabbing

The Franklin Regional High School stabbing was a mass stabbing that occurred on April 9, 2014, at Franklin Regional High School in Murrysville, Pennsylvania. Alex Hribal, a 16-year-old sophomore at the school, used a pair of eight-inch kitchen knives to stab and slash 20 students and a security guard.

And stuff like this, is why I've stopped reading your posts.

The University of Pittsburgh Medical Center (UPMC) treated twelve patients. UPMC officials stated that two boys were in critical condition, two boys were in serious condition, and a boy and two girls were in fair condition. One victim was placed on a ventilator after a knife pierced his liver, while another suffered an open wound to the face that required 11 stitches. The teenage victims ranged in age from 14 to 17.[13] Eight other patients were taken to Forbes Regional Hospital in nearby Monroeville.[14]Several of those victims had suffered serious injuries, including "deep wounds to the abdomen", according to hospital officials.[4][15][16] In addition to the stabbing victims, two other students suffered unrelated injuries while fleeing the school. Hribal was treated for injuries to his hand.[2][17][18] On May 18, 2014, Greg Keener, the last of the victims, was discharged from Forbes Regional Hospital.[19]



Deaths 0
Non-fatal injuries
24 (22 directly, including the attacker)

 

[Denny Crane]

And stuff like this, is why I've stopped reading your posts.

The University of Pittsburgh Medical Center (UPMC) treated twelve patients. UPMC officials stated that two boys were in critical condition, two boys were in serious condition, and a boy and two girls were in fair condition. One victim was placed on a ventilator after a knife pierced his liver, while another suffered an open wound to the face that required 11 stitches. The teenage victims ranged in age from 14 to 17.[13] Eight other patients were taken to Forbes Regional Hospital in nearby Monroeville.[14]Several of those victims had suffered serious injuries, including "deep wounds to the abdomen", according to hospital officials.[4][15][16] In addition to the stabbing victims, two other students suffered unrelated injuries while fleeing the school. Hribal was treated for injuries to his hand.[2][17][18] On May 18, 2014, Greg Keener, the last of the victims, was discharged from Forbes Regional Hospital.[19]



Deaths 0
Non-fatal injuries
24 (22 directly, including the attacker)

That's a relief!

 

[SlyPokerDog]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_Regional_High_School_stabbing

The Franklin Regional High School stabbing was a mass stabbing that occurred on April 9, 2014, at Franklin Regional High School in Murrysville, Pennsylvania. Alex Hribal, a 16-year-old sophomore at the school, used a pair of eight-inch kitchen knives to stab and slash 20 students and a security guard.

No one died. That's kind of important to mention don't you think?

 

[Denny Crane]

No one died. That's kind of important to mention don't you think?

In the mass stabbings worldwide, it's rare that nobody dies. That's kind of important to mention, don't you think?

My only response to your troll posts.

 

[Nate]

You know I generally ignore your posts like I ignore maris... But this one is so hilarious I can't help but laugh at it.

If you were to take a knife into a school and stab one person in the hallway...
You might get to stab a couple others before you're either taken down by staff. Or everyone ends up safely out of your reach.
Doesn't work that way with assault rifles.
This post you made is one of the dumbest things I've read on this forum recently.

In a crowded hallway/store/festival/anything- I’m slashing at least 10 throats before anybody realizes what’s going on. After that, I’m pretty fucking big and athletic, I can chase down and stab in the throat just about anybody that isn’t a track athlete.

Anybody that try’s stopping me better have a way bigger knife, or a gun.

I would have been able to do that from middle school onwards.


Its also hilarious that you think it would be so easy to just grab someone with a knife without catching a few stabs or slices and getting yourself killed lol.

We should try it out, and I’ll use a fork instead.