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[SlyPokerDog]

Taser Explores Concept of Drone Armed With Stun Gun for Police Use
Project shows leap in thinking about technology, even as critics decry militarization of law enforcement
By
Zusha Elinson
Updated Oct. 20, 2016 5:05 p.m. ET

SAN DIEGO—The day when police zap suspects from the sky with drones carrying stun guns may be nearing.

Taser International Inc., known for its stun guns and body cameras, is exploring the concept of a drone armed with a stun gun for use by police. This week, the company held discussions with police officials about such a device.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/taser-...armed-with-stun-gun-for-police-use-1476994514

 

[Denny Crane]

Facts are the schools report 5,000 guns made it into schools and 75,000 knives. You have those 5,000 guns rarely even used, same with the knives.

I don't think they belong in schools at all. There's only one way to prevent it and that's metal detectors. Some guy with intent to shoot up a school shouldn't even make it past the guards at the front door. Guys who want to bring in guns or knives should be stopped at the front door, too.

In NYC, they put metal detectors in 200 schools and school violence declined by about half. Now they're talking about removing them because a liberal mayor is in charge and has a different view of things. I'm not sure that different view makes any sense at all.

The only thing about metal detectors is you have to use them in all the schools, and not in a way to discriminate against students.

The mass shootings aren't necessarily happening in what are considered dangerous neighborhoods, but in white suburban sleepy little towns. So the metal detectors need to be used in those suburban sleepy little towns just as vigilantly as everywhere else.

The other consideration is why kids think they need to have these weapons at school. It sure looks like a tiny fraction, if any at all, are used for mass shootings. Stabbings and shootings are quite rare, in fact.

I define rare as 400 people shot in over 200 school shootings over a 6 year period (if the source is to be trusted, I assume it's vastly overstated, but use it anyway). That's 30,000 guns in school that we know of (5000 x 6 years). 200/30000 = 0.7%. Not zero. The use of knives is even more rare, considering the massive number more of them found at schools.

1. Students feel they need them for defense. I IMAGINE this is likely. Bullies and gangs do threaten kids, of that I'm sure.
2. Students feel they need them to intimidate other students.
3. Students feel they need them to intimidate teachers.
4. They just want to carry their gun wherever they go.
5. Angry with boyfriend/girlfriend (domestic violence of sorts).
6. intent to mass kill (much more rare than typical school shootings).

The more typical kind of school gun violence is one or two targeted people shot, not someone going to school with an assault rifle with indiscriminate intent to kill as many as possible. One or two targeted people suggests something personal between the shooter and victim(s).

May be other reasons. You'd think addressing these might be a good idea.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Ahhh, this argument is just a result of there not being any easy fix for this. Right now we're just lucky there's not very many psychos running around.

If I were in school now I'd bring something like my green hammer with me...and probably get expelled.

 

[MarAzul]

I think metal detectors are a good

The only thing about metal detectors is you have to use them in all the schools, and not in a way to discriminate against students.

I guess I have to disagree here a bit. I don't like metal detectors and I do not think they need to be used in all school. I rather like the idea of local control
making the decisions for the local school. Not every where require the measures used else where nor should that be viewed as discrimination. It simply is a fact that one size is not the only size that works best in all places. Not all rules should be made in Washington DC. That is a big part of the problem now.

If public school must all be the same then public schools need to be eliminated to make room for private schools and the freedom for people to select their school.

 

[Denny Crane]

I guess I have to disagree here a bit. I don't like metal detectors and I do not think they need to be used in all school. I rather like the idea of local control
making the decisions for the local school. Not every where require the measures used else where nor should that be viewed as discrimination. It simply is a fact that one size is not the only size that works best in all places. Not all rules should be made in Washington DC. That is a big part of the problem now.

You would not at all expect Sandy Hook to be a gunman's target. That's why you have to use the metal detectors even in Sandy Hook.

The TSA uses one size fits all at all the airports. How many stories about guns or bombs being snuck onto airplanes do we hear?

 

[MarAzul]

Ahhh, this argument is just a result of there not being any easy fix for this. Right now we're just lucky there's not very many psychos running around.

If I were in school now I'd bring something like my green hammer with me...and probably get expelled.View attachment 18780

Good choice! Perhaps the one on the right would work well too. But the one on the left looks as if it would get stuck to easy for rapid repeated use.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Good choice! Perhaps the one on the right would work well too. But the one on the left looks as if it would get stuck to easy for rapid repeated use.

The green one is perfect. Relatively light, absorbs impact so you barely feel it. Balanced, sits on my shoulder and stays there.

The pick hammer on the left almost got used in a domestic dispute 15 years ago. Old truck was overheating, pulled off at the end of a long empty road.

I see a young guy on foot chasing a girl in a car. They're screaming at each other. I got out of the truck and hung the hammer in a hook on my coveralls.

They get closer and I ask her if she needs help and she screams "mind your own fucking business"

Ok bitch, knock yourselves out. I proceed to put water in my truck. She may have died later that day...tough shit.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Oh yeah, that green hammer was almost 100 dollars. I never spend that kind of cash on tools but a buddy had one and I love it.

 

[barfo]

I don't have any objection to metal detectors, but they aren't going to stop a mass shooter. They will stop the kid who brings a gun to school for no good reason and then gets pissed at someone and shoots them, or accidentally shoots someone. But a mass shooter is just going to start by shooting whoever is watching the metal detector. Don't see how that helps.

barfo

 

[MarAzul]

You would not at all expect Sandy Hook to be a gunman's target. That's why you have to use the metal detectors even in Sandy Hook.

The TSA uses one size fits all at all the airports. How many stories about guns or bombs being snuck onto airplanes do we hear?

Oh man! Do not get me started on TSA, what a load of shit! Flying was once a pleasurable experience, that has now become worse than a bus ride in a shit hole country. I don't care if I never do it again. My wife was strip searched on her last flight to N. Carolina via Washington. WTF!

Sandy Hook school should be free to implement metal detectors if they deem it is needed. Other measure could have stop that guy too. A grown guy with a long gun sure as hell stands out among 1st graders even without a metal detector.

I am not saying don't use them, but we need to stop this crap of running everything from Washington. You know this as well as anyone.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I know a certain someone is going to insult me and call me names but I would just like to point out that many of these dipshits shoot people on school grounds before they enter the building. Also kids lined up for metal detectors would make a very nice target. Metal detectors help but are not a solution.

Also there have been shootings at airports before the person reaches metal detectors. It depends on what the shooters objective is. Metal detectors help to keep bad guys off of planes but does not help to keep them out of the airport. This would also apply to schools.

If a dipshit really wants to get into the school he would just wait in line and then shoot the person operating the metal detector. Or just start shooting people waiting in line and then walk past the metal detector.

 

[MarAzul]

tough shit.

Yep. A man can only offer and you have to be very careful with that. Even more care if they want the help.

 

[MarAzul]

I don't have any objection to metal detectors, but they aren't going to stop a mass shooter. They will stop the kid who brings a gun to school for no good reason and then gets pissed at someone and shoots them, or accidentally shoots someone. But a mass shooter is just going to start by shooting whoever is watching the metal detector. Don't see how that helps.

barfo

They also show where the guard is. Perhaps he or she could find a more advantageous parking place.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Well we're coming to the obvious. Crazy fucks will do something crazy. Are AR15s too easy and glamorous? Is that the problem?

 

[MarAzul]

I know a certain someone is going to insult me and call me names but I would just like to point out that many of these dipshits shoot people on school grounds before they enter the building. Also kids lined up for metal detectors would make a very nice target. Metal detectors help but are not a solution.

Also there have been shootings at airports before the person reaches metal detectors. It depends on what the shooters objective is. Metal detectors help to keep bad guys off of planes but does not help to keep them out of the airport. This would also apply to schools.

If a dipshit really wants to get into the school he would just wait in line and then shoot the person operating the metal detector. Or just start shooting people waiting in line and then walk past the metal detector.

I see you have had a good start today. Better breakfast perhaps!

 

[MarAzul]

Well we're coming to the obvious. Crazy fucks will do something crazy. Are AR15s too easy and glamorous? Is that the problem?

Well, my neighbor had a 25/20 auto way back. Held 14 round in the tube magazine.
Hell today you can have a .22 with a 110 round drum. That has been available for more than 40 years. But you ask a good questions about glamorous!
What is that? Where does it come from? Games?

 

[Denny Crane]

I don't have any objection to metal detectors, but they aren't going to stop a mass shooter. They will stop the kid who brings a gun to school for no good reason and then gets pissed at someone and shoots them, or accidentally shoots someone. But a mass shooter is just going to start by shooting whoever is watching the metal detector. Don't see how that helps.

barfo

The metal detectors won't go off when the mass shooter brings the gun through?



You'd think they'd have a guard with a gun not in direct sight of the metal detectors, in case.

 

[Denny Crane]

I know a certain someone is going to insult me and call me names but I would just like to point out that many of these dipshits shoot people on school grounds before they enter the building. Also kids lined up for metal detectors would make a very nice target. Metal detectors help but are not a solution.

Also there have been shootings at airports before the person reaches metal detectors. It depends on what the shooters objective is. Metal detectors help to keep bad guys off of planes but does not help to keep them out of the airport. This would also apply to schools.

If a dipshit really wants to get into the school he would just wait in line and then shoot the person operating the metal detector. Or just start shooting people waiting in line and then walk past the metal detector.

You win. Do nothing.

 

[MarAzul]

You win. Do nothing.

No!!!!

 

[Denny Crane]

Haha.

We have evidence the metal detectors work in schools. Where they are used, violence is cut in half, if not more.

We have evidence of mass shooters standing at airports and those schools gunning down the people in line.

Yes, dog, the bad guys can just drop a nuke and get all the schools within a wide area. So don't do anything known to actually help.

 

[barfo]

The metal detectors won't go off when the mass shooter brings the gun through?

If the metal detector isn't guarded, then you can just walk around it or put the gun overtop/alongside it. But it probably doesn't matter much if the detector goes off or not. Swat team wouldn't be called out when the detector goes off - otherwise they'd be there every time some kid wore a too-large belt buckle or forgot to take their cell phone out of their pocket.

You'd think they'd have a guard with a gun not in direct sight of the metal detectors, in case.

Two guards plus a metal detector would provide some additional safety, it's true. Might drive up your taxes, though.

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

If the metal detector isn't guarded, then you can just walk around it or put the gun overtop/alongside it. But it probably doesn't matter much if the detector goes off or not. Swat team wouldn't be called out when the detector goes off - otherwise they'd be there every time some kid wore a too-large belt buckle or forgot to take their cell phone out of their pocket.



Two guards plus a metal detector would provide some additional safety, it's true. Might drive up your taxes, though.

barfo

Right. Put in the metal detectors but don't guard them.

How silly can you get?

 

[barfo]

Right. Put in the metal detectors but don't guard them.

How silly can you get?

It's too bad you can't follow the scenario. The guard was there. He got shot. Now the detector is unguarded.

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

It's too bad you can't follow the scenario. The guard was there. He got shot. Now the detector is unguarded.

barfo

The nuke scenario.

Good one!

The guards at TSA get shot all the time, right?

 

[barfo]

The nuke scenario.

Good one!

The guards at TSA get shot all the time, right?

No, because there's no reason to. If you want to kill people in an airport, you don't have to get past TSA. And if you want to get to the planes, you know that once you get past TSA via gunfire the flights will all be grounded.

If you want to get inside a school to shoot your classmates, and the barrier to doing so is one guy at the metal detector, he gets shot.

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

No, because there's no reason to. If you want to kill people in an airport, you don't have to get past TSA. And if you want to get to the planes, you know that once you get past TSA via gunfire the flights will all be grounded.

If you want to get inside a school to shoot your classmates, and the barrier to doing so is one guy at the metal detector, he gets shot.

barfo

Show me some facts instead of imagining how crimes that never happen (in the real world) would happen.

The facts are the schools that have metal detectors (and use them) aren't the ones where these mass shootings occur. The ones that use them also have reduced on campus crime by a huge amount.

And you have... "I would stand behind a tree and use my sniper rifle to shoot all the cops."

How about we cross that bridge if it ever happens and in the meantime, save lives and keep the kids much safer?

 

[DaLincolnJones]

I know a certain someone is going to insult me and call me names but I would just like to point out that many of these dipshits shoot people on school grounds before they enter the building. Also kids lined up for metal detectors would make a very nice target. Metal detectors help but are not a solution.

Also there have been shootings at airports before the person reaches metal detectors. It depends on what the shooters objective is. Metal detectors help to keep bad guys off of planes but does not help to keep them out of the airport. This would also apply to schools.

If a dipshit really wants to get into the school he would just wait in line and then shoot the person operating the metal detector. Or just start shooting people waiting in line and then walk past the metal detector.

pretty simple solution. First thing about security is to not over think it. Chain link fence around the perimeter. Corridor from walk to front door. Guard station at walk. guard behind bullet proof glass to allow into building. Guard at metal detector. Pass through , present valid student ID, go to class. If you do not belong on campus, you do get to stay.

 

[barfo]

Show me some facts instead of imagining how crimes that never happen (in the real world) would happen.

The facts are the schools that have metal detectors (and use them) aren't the ones where these mass shootings occur. The ones that use them also have reduced on campus crime by a huge amount.

I'm sure they do reduce crime. But crime generally is not what we are discussing here. And I doubt your 'mass shootings don't happen where there are detectors' is statistically valid, even if it is accurate. How many schools are there in the US? What fraction have detectors? How many schools have there been mass shootings at?

And you have... "I would stand behind a tree and use my sniper rifle to shoot all the cops."

How about we cross that bridge if it ever happens and in the meantime, save lives and keep the kids much safer?

Like I said several posts ago, I don't have any objection at all to metal detectors. They aren't likely to solve the mass shooter problem.

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

I'm sure they do reduce crime. But crime generally is not what we are discussing here. And I doubt your 'mass shootings don't happen where there are detectors' is statistically valid, even if it is accurate. How many schools are there in the US? What fraction have detectors? How many schools have there been mass shootings at?



Like I said several posts ago, I don't have any objection at all to metal detectors. They aren't likely to solve the mass shooter problem.

barfo

The bottom line is the shooter in Parkland walked into the school with a long gun in a case without any resistance at all. He wasn't even a student. People with guns were free to come and go. ANYONE free to come and go.

You would make it easy for him.

And denying the facts or using your twisted logic doesn't make a good argument.

If you could come up with a school (or anyplace for that matter) where they used TSA style screening of people entering where they used your dreamt up scenario to any effect, you might have a point.