OT New NFL Kneeling Rule

[Haakzilla]

I feel like this is a fair compromise...

...except for the other part I added from article right after you quoted me!

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Is there no other way to bring awareness to issues than kneeling during the anthem? Also, do you think this method has worked or made things worse?

Wait, so you criticize others for "not answering your questions" and "deflecting", but when I ask you a direct question, you do the same thing? Interesting. I think there's a word for that...

As for the questions you are asking me, I don't doubt that there are better ways to bring awareness to an issue, but that doesn't mean that this particular way is ineffective or wrong. And whether this has made things worse--no, I don't believe it has (something I addressed in my prior post answering your earlier questions).

 

[THE HCP]

Just because you have the right to do it doesn’t make it right... do you not care that it might offend military families who lost loved ones fighting for our freedom? Do you think there is another country with more freedom and opportunity than United States? And do you think anyone is talking about the original message of police brutality or has it been lost because of the outrage of the flag issue? There are so many other platforms and resources bring awareness to issues.

Bro, I served my country so people CAN choose to take a knee! The fuck outa here with that disrespecting people who served shit!

 

[Gronk Brady]

Bro, I served my country so people CAN choose to take a knee! The fuck outa here with that disrespecting people who served shit!

I have family who has served as well and they feel differently... again, you think it’s only your opinion that matters... sad

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I have family who has served as well and they feel differently... again, you think it’s only your opinion that matters... sad

You've essentially said that if a single military family is offended, their opinion is the only one that matters. How is that any better?

 

[dviss1]

Get angry because answers don’t support your stance... nice

Assume much? Don't say idiotic things. I'm not angry at all. Or is that your MO? Accuse black people of being angry much?

Looking at your posts about this, YOU seem to be the one that's angry...

 

[Rastapopoulos]

 

[Gronk Brady]

You've essentially said that if a single military family is offended, their opinion is the only one that matters. How is that any better?

I didn’t say it’s the only one that matters... I said their feelings should be respected because they make sacrifices and there are other better ways to protest

 

[Rastapopoulos]

 

[dviss1]

I have family who has served as well and they feel differently... again, you think it’s only your opinion that matters... sad

No, you seem to think it's only YOUR position that matters. @HCP is ex military and his opinion weighs WAY more heavily than yours IMO.

 

[dviss1]

I didn’t say it’s the only one that matters... I said their feelings should be respected because they make sacrifices and there are other better ways to protest

It's ok to take knee for God in front of anyone who doesn't believe but kneeling for the flag is a problem...

 

[Gronk Brady]

Assume much? Don't say idiotic things. I'm not angry at all. Or is that your MO? Accuse black people of being angry much?

Looking at your posts about this, YOU seem to be the one that's angry...

Pull the race card every time you get backed into a corner... cool bro.

 

[THE HCP]

Actually no one is talking about police brutality, it’s become a discussion about the flag instead... how has this helped tremendously? What accomplishments have come from this? Seems like things have got worse

No, just a bunch of naive white people got pissed off and MADE it about the flag/country/patriotism.

 

[THE HCP]

I have family who has served as well and they feel differently... again, you think it’s only your opinion that matters... sad

You didn’t serve your country and use the fact that you have “family” that did in your post.......that’s sad.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I didn’t say it’s the only one that matters... I said their feelings should be respected because they make sacrifices and there are other better ways to protest

When you say...

if even one military family who lost a loved one feels it’s disrespectful, then players shouldn’t do it

...you're saying that that family's opinion is the only one that matters.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

 

[chzbrgr]

We can spend all day talking about if we personally think it’s disrespectful... my point is, if even one military family who lost a loved one feels it’s disrespectful, then players shouldn’t do it, because those families feelings should matter as they have sacrificed for our freedom. It’s not like it’s helping the cause anyways, just causing a distraction. I’m very supportive of police reform... at the same time I am greatful for the military that has afforded my family freedom and opportunity to make a good life as immigrants that came here with nothing... players have many resources at their hands to make a difference... this seems to be more about ego and not being told what to do, which is sad

What about the families of the numerous murdered black men by police? Who will stand up for them? Do the rights of military families matter more than the rights of the families of victims of police brutality?

If even one family of a victim finds your posts to be bigoted and ignorant does that mean we can ban you from posting? Charge you a fine?

Idk what freedoms you are talking about that you seem so adamant to defend the military for. Maybe it’s The freedom to limit the rights of someone who doesn’t look like you? That’s all you really seem interested in.

 

[THE HCP]

What about the families of the numerous murdered black men by police? Who will stand up for them? Do the rights of military families matter more than the rights of the families of victims of police brutality?

If even one family of a victim finds your posts to be bigoted and ignorant does that mean we can ban you from posting? Charge you a fine?

Idk what freedoms you are talking about that you seem so adamant to defend the military for. Maybe it’s The freedom to limit the rights of someone who doesn’t look like you? That’s all you really seem interested in.

Quality post son!

 

[Gronk Brady]

What about the families of the numerous murdered black men by police? Who will stand up for them? Do the rights of military families matter more than the rights of the families of victims of police brutality?

If even one family of a victim finds your posts to be bigoted and ignorant does that mean we can ban you from posting? Charge you a fine?

Idk what freedoms you are talking about that you seem so adamant to defend the military for. Maybe it’s The freedom to limit the rights of someone who doesn’t look like you? That’s all you really seem interested in.

This entire post assumes 2 things: 1. Kneeling for the anthem is the only way to bring awareness to police brutality, 2. That kneeling for the anthem has been effective in bringing change... neither of those is true... and anyone with a heart cares for both military families and victims of police brutality... also my family is immigrants from another country so you are stereotyping me because of my views

 

[Rastapopoulos]

 

[LameR]

Don't like the new rule. Similar to politics, seems like people aren't even debating over the same thing but rather just being mad at others for viewpoints that are different.

-Privileged White Guy Who Thinks People Have Misconstrued the Purpose Behind Kneeling

 

[blue9]

if even one military family who lost a loved one feels it’s disrespectful, then players shouldn’t do it

I have to come back to this completely asinine statement/opinion/argument.

You know what I find disrespectful? Organized religion. Therefore, according to your "logic", everyone should immediately stop practicing their religion. Okay everyone - got that!? You can - no MUST - stop going to church/synagogue/mosque now! And nobody better mention anything having to do with any sort of god/deity/saint in public from this point forward.

 

[Gronk Brady]

I have to come back to this completely asinine statement/opinion/argument.

You know what I find disrespectful? Organized religion. Therefore, according to your "logic", everyone should immediately stop practicing their religion. Okay everyone - got that!? You can - no MUST - stop going to church/synagogue/mosque now! And nobody better mention anything having to do with any sort of god/deity/saint in public from this point forward.

You are comparing apples to oranges... if they made you do a prayer at a sporting event then it’s a different story and I agree with you... the sad thing is the flag is literally the only thing that everyone here from different backgrounds has in common... it used to unite people... now these protests are destroying that and driving people further apart... this country has no hope... sadly nothing from the protest has changed police brutality, so IMO it has done more harm than good... and these are my last words on this topic... I came here to talk Blazers

 

[dviss1]

Pull the race card every time you get backed into a corner... cool bro.

There's no such thing as a race card. You saying "pull the race card" is a fucking card.. It makes it so you can conveniently disregard anything.

Just stop assuming shit and we'll be fine.

 

[blue9]

You are comparing apples to oranges... if they made you do a prayer at a sporting event then it’s a different story and I agree with you... the sad thing is the flag is literally the only thing that everyone here from different backgrounds has in common... it used to unite people... now these protests are destroying that and driving people further apart... this country has no hope... sadly nothing from the protest has changed police brutality, so IMO it has done more harm than good... and these are my last words on this topic... I came here to talk Blazers

The flag has been a divisive symbol long before BLM came into existence. It's ridiculous that you think THIS is what's driving people apart...

It's equally ridiculous that:

• The flag is the only thing we have in common.
• That we NEED to have something in common.
• That the thing we need to have in common is a piece of cloth, or printed graphic.

Also, there is no difference between my analogy and your hypothetical family - your family isn't being forced to kneel in front of their TV whilst the national anthem plays, just as I'm not forced to pray when others go to church. It is the outside actions of others that create feelings in ourselves...and it's the feelings of the individual that you seem to think should overrule the actions of others. Apples to apples. I really hope you rethink your position, as you're marching down the road to fascism.

 

[stampedehero]

I think a player's disrespect is obvious if he jokes and totally acts like he doesn't CARE.

 

[dviss1]

1 - if they’re so sensitive about NOT talking about police brutality and systemic racism that they’re offended by a person kneeling they’re probably garbage. No I don’t care.

2 - upward mobility, life expectancy, and wage inequality are all superior in numerous countries. How about Norway, where all the best immigrants should come from?

3 - the people kneeling keep trying to talk about police brutality but a bunch of garbage racist snowflakes have deflected away from the real issue because it might involve them self-assessing their own racism.

Again, the people kneeling are right to kneel and the people screaming about it are garbage humans with a lot of internalized racism.

 

[dviss1]

If you're talking about disrespecting service members (lots of which don't feel disrespected)

You are deflecting, not caring about why they are kneeling, and therefore part of the problem.

 

[LeeRC]

I think Colin K a toolbag.

That said, I think this is a total BS move by the NFL. Players should have the right to kneel and protest.

Don't really get the notion how this disrespects the troops or whatever. I doubt soldiers in Afghanistan dodging AKs and IEDs are thinking about flags and anthems right now. If you want to support them so badly, why don't you send some care packages or donate to military charities or volunteer at the VA?

Otherwise, if we all have to stand for the anthem or raise our hand towards some flag as a gesture to "support the troops" no matter what, then that resembles fascism rather than patriotism.

 

[riverman]

In the new NFL kneeling is something you're lucky you can still do....standing upright hurts..if you can kneel you haven't been tackled by a 300 lb linebacker over and over again