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SlyPokerDog said:
I'm outraged!

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I'm more outraged by the racist mascot.
 
I fly a prominent American flag on a lighted 20 ft. pole in my front yard. I love the flag, I love my country, I love the Constitution. I'm also a disabled combat Veteran and I see nothing wrong with a person kneeling during the national anthem even though I wouldn't. I'll fight for that right.

Race relations are the biggest problem this country has and the associated problems deserve to be pointed out to those who are oblivious.

I'm tempted to quote from the Bible but some of you would object so I'll simply leave it at let your conscience be your guide.
 
Gronk Brady said:
You are comparing apples to oranges... if they made you do a prayer at a sporting event then it’s a different story and I agree with you... the sad thing is the flag is literally the only thing that everyone here from different backgrounds has in common... it used to unite people... now these protests are destroying that and driving people further apart... this country has no hope... sadly nothing from the protest has changed police brutality, so IMO it has done more harm than good... and these are my last words on this topic... I came here to talk Blazers
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God I hope you don’t have offspring and are passing this shit storm of a view of things down to them......
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Is it more disrespectful to the country, to kneel during the anthem or to stare at your phone?

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What's more disrespectful, to kneel or to huddle with your teammates?

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What's more disrespectful, to kneel or for teams to charge the military to honor our soldiers?

http://www.post-gazette.com/news/na...ary-tributes-report-says/stories/201511060140

https://thinkprogress.org/nfl-dod-national-anthem-6f682cebc7cd/
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That's easy, staring at your cell phone is more disrespectful. But, this is America and one does have the freedom to express one's self in a myriad of ways.
 
My son’s HS football team decided as a TEAM that they would stay in the locker room during the anthem during the state playoffs last fall. Unity on they ass is what it was. We were on the road in Salem and all those white people booed our kids because of it. Very sad moment.
 
riverman said:
In the new NFL kneeling is something you're lucky you can still do....standing upright hurts..if you can kneel you haven't been tackled by a 300 lb linebacker over and over again
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It's a major task for me to kneel so I reserve it for taking Communion and I was never tackled by anyone over 150 lbs. in my life. Not particularly interesting but I thought I'd through it out there.
 
Gronk Brady said:
We can spend all day talking about if we personally think it’s disrespectful... my point is, if even one military family who lost a loved one feels it’s disrespectful, then players shouldn’t do it, because those families feelings should matter as they have sacrificed for our freedom. It’s not like it’s helping the cause anyways, just causing a distraction. I’m very supportive of police reform... at the same time I am greatful for the military that has afforded my family freedom and opportunity to make a good life as immigrants that came here with nothing... players have many resources at their hands to make a difference... this seems to be more about ego and not being told what to do, which is sad
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If one person who lost a military family member?...

That person's family member chose to put their life at risk for their country. It's part of the job. I'd know, I basically lost my dad to it. He said he'd never get hurt, but it was his choice to do something risky, no matter how respectful it is...

Meanwhile, you have African-Americans choosing to drive home, trying to go about their day...

Why's it about taking away the voice of an oppressed minority just to make sure every family member of a lost military member feels comfortable and respected?

You realize how much attention their protests have gotten? It's been pretty damn effective at getting people to talk about their protest, and what their protest stands for, and that's what their aim is. You're seriously going to tell me it's more about ego???

Honest question, do you think Colin Kaepernik started it because of ego...?
 
BonesJones said:
If one person who lost a military family member?...

That person's family member chose to put their life at risk for their country. It's part of the job. I'd know, I basically lost my dad to it. He said he'd never get hurt, but it was his choice to do something risky, no matter how respectful it is...

Meanwhile, you have African-Americans choosing to drive home, trying to go about their day...

Why's it about taking away the voice of an oppressed minority just to make sure every family member of a lost military member feels comfortable and respected?

You realize how much attention their protests have gotten? It's been pretty damn effective at getting people to talk about their protest, and what their protest stands for, and that's what their aim is. You're seriously going to tell me it's more about ego???

Honest question, do you think Colin Kaepernik started it because of ego...?
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It was not my choice to go into the military. It was also not my choice to go into combat. My greatest regret, and I have not regrets risking my life for my country, is that the military was extremely careless in taking care of me. The bottom line, I'm proud to have served.

I lost an Uncle due to a combat injury. He was in the Bataan Death March.

All 6 of my other Uncles as well as myself and my father and stepfather served in the Army while my brother served in the U.S.M.C. One uncle was in the paratroopers at Anzio during WWII and in Korea during the early 50s, one uncle was at Bataan and two uncles were in the paratroopers at Normandy. I guarantee that at least five of us would support the players taking a knee. I think I have a right to freely express myself (of course, we all do).
 
BonesJones said:
If one person who lost a military family member?...

That person's family member chose to put their life at risk for their country. It's part of the job. I'd know, I basically lost my dad to it. He said he'd never get hurt, but it was his choice to do something risky, no matter how respectful it is...

Meanwhile, you have African-Americans choosing to drive home, trying to go about their day...

Why's it about taking away the voice of an oppressed minority just to make sure every family member of a lost military member feels comfortable and respected?

You realize how much attention their protests have gotten? It's been pretty damn effective at getting people to talk about their protest, and what their protest stands for, and that's what their aim is. You're seriously going to tell me it's more about ego???

Honest question, do you think Colin Kaepernik started it because of ego...?
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You expressed it better than I could.
 
Lanny said:
It was not my choice to go into the military. It was also not my choice to go into combat. My greatest regret, and I have not regrets risking my life for my country, is that the military was extremely careless in taking care of me. The bottom line, I'm proud to have served.

I lost an Uncle due to a combat injury. He was in the Bataan Death March.

All 6 of my other Uncles as well as myself and my father and stepfather served in the Army while my brother served in the U.S.M.C. One uncle was in the paratroopers at Anzio during WWII and in Korea during the early 50s, one uncle was at Bataan and two uncles were in the paratroopers at Normandy. I guarantee that at least five of us would support the players taking a knee. I think I have a right to freely express myself (of course, we all do).
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Thank you for your service Lanny... I apologize again for any name calling I’ve directed towards you.
 
I'm a 32 year old white guy who leans to the right politically - I did not vote for Trump, so don't lump me in that pile...-
It bothers me a ton that people turned this into an issue about the military, or the flag, or any of that.
We should have open discussions about race, our communities, and police who abuse there power. It shouldn't offend anyone except the perpetrators of the problems we have as a nation.
Even if you disagree with some of the ideals, or things that they want to discuss, that is way more OK than turning it into an argument about patriotism and if they respect the military.

While I didn't like some of the things Colin K did (mostly related to castro), I think he did shine a light on how much there is still an issue in America that minorities feel like the color of their skin
determines the way they are treated, rather than the way they act. That is a problem, and it's a problem we should be talking about, and trying to fix, not boy-cotting the NFL or whomever because their employee's decided to talk about it.
I'm not saying just "fix" their feelings either, we need to snuff out racism, and I think we could all do a better job of trying to understand the perspective of others.
Talking about how much they hate America or whatever is just a way to deflect talking about the issues that we all face, as a society.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
I'm a 32 year old white guy who leans to the right politically - I did not vote for Trump, so don't lump me in that pile...-
It bothers me a ton that people turned this into an issue about the military, or the flag, or any of that.
We should have open discussions about race, our communities, and police who abuse there power. It shouldn't offend anyone except the perpetrators of the problems we have as a nation.
Even if you disagree with some of the ideals, or things that they want to discuss, that is way more OK than turning it into an argument about patriotism and if they respect the military.

While I didn't like some of the things Colin K did (mostly related to castro), I think he did shine a light on how much there is still an issue in America that minorities feel like the color of their skin
determines the way they are treated, rather than the way they act. That is a problem, and it's a problem we should be talking about, and trying to fix, not boy-cotting the NFL or whomever because their employee's decided to talk about it.
I'm not saying just "fix" their feelings either, we need to snuff out racism, and I think we could all do a better job of trying to understand the perspective of others.
Talking about how much they hate America or whatever is just a way to deflect talking about the issues that we all face, as a society.
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I like you!
 
How do you feel about clog dancing during the national anthem?
 
Gronk Brady said:
Thank you for your service Lanny... I apologize again for any name calling I’ve directed towards you.
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You are apologizing just because he served in the military? HOLY SHIT! You can’t make this shit up!
 
Lanny said:
It was not my choice to go into the military. It was also not my choice to go into combat.
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Is it true you can be seen many times in Saving Private Ryan?
 
Gronk Brady said:
Again you are missing my points... 1. Just because you have a right doesn’t make it right... 2. It’s takes away from the original message... in the end it does more harm than good
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I was addressing the situation, not any specific post, Gronk, just to be clear. I think we agree on both points.
 
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