New owner... Tom Dundon?

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You know why the Blazers logo is better? Because it's not bad dated (see: Pistons gawd awful horse with exhaust logo, or the Raptors Barney logo), and it's quick and simple. The Hurricanes logo is too confusing and kinda resembles the hurricane symbol.

Their logo looks a lot like it was inspired by Yars revenge, or a fake video game logo thrown together in paint shop pro.
 
blazerkor said:
I have a few friends who are not sports fans but are graphic designers. I've shown them the pinwheel and they absolutely love it. They say that a symbol rather than a pictogram gives a logo an identity bigger than the business and therefore elevates the business. They point to iconic (no pun intended) logos of Nike and Mercedes-Benz as being some of the most recognizable and valuable logos in the world.

Talking to friends that are fans of the Lakers and even the Bulls, they envy the fact that we just have a symbol for our team. I guess to some it's a matter of taste but to the professionals out there, they like the branding that makes the team into some thing bigger.
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It's cool that the Blazers logo is one of the only ones that doesn't have a basketball incorporated in it, the name of the team/city OR a city skyline/local environment (Mountains for example) in it.

Think about it, what logo in the NBA is void of a basketball, name and/or skyline (etc)?

Other than Chicago, Spurs, Memphis and the Cavs current "C" logo, I can't think of one. But I think only the Bulls and Spurs logo are instantly recognizable without the name of the team or city in it. You change the colors of the Grizzlies logo and the C for the Cavs, and I think most people wouldn't necessarily know it's them. Change the colors of the Blazers or Bulls logo, and you'd probably think it was a cheap knock off of the originals or that you were having a Mandela moment.
 
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I’m watching the Falcons vs Titans NFL preseason game. They have Falcons owner Arthur Blank on the broadcast. Asking him questions for about 20 minutes. He’s awesome! Very knowledgeable & knows everything about his team etc & very well spoken. Seems like a great guy & a great owner who has done a lot for the Atlanta community. They just showed a graphic on screen about how the NFLPA graded him & ranked him as the 3rd best owner last season. I want an owner like him.
 
BoBoBREWSKI said:
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I’m watching the Falcons vs Titans NFL preseason game. They have Falcons owner Arthur Blank on the broadcast. Asking him questions for about 20 minutes. He’s awesome! Very knowledgeable & knows everything about his team etc & very well spoken. Seems like a great guy & a great owner who has done a lot for the Atlanta community. They just showed a graphic on screen about how the NFLPA graded him & ranked him as the 3rd best owner last season. I want an owner like him.
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How is this on topic in a Tom Dundon thread? :angel:
 
Mediocre Man said:
First, I have no idea when that was stated

Cavs have a C
Rockets have an R with a rocket
Spurs have a spur
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I will agree many logos these days are just whack. But originally, the Cavs logo was a hoop/net, the Rockets had a ball kinda on fire while in motion. Not sure about the Spurs. Then you have stuff that should be banned, like the Utah Jazz, Los Angelas Lakers. They should never have been allowed to steal those names/logos.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Hmm...

https://www.oregonlive.com/business...ntangled-in-a-messy-corporate-bankruptcy.html
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I don't understand why people talk about this AAF being a negative with Dundon. A billionaire had one investment that was bad.

Do people delusionally think he's going to pick stocks perfect?
Do people think he embezzled money?

He poured some cash into the league and months later it went bankrupt. I've bought investments that became worthless too.

I don't see why this is anything other than a bullet point on a list of dozens of things he's done.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Hmm...

https://www.oregonlive.com/business...ntangled-in-a-messy-corporate-bankruptcy.html
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There's no there there. If you read his bio you would have seen that he was the majority stake holder in the AAF. If you follow sports at all you know that the AAF went under. Obviously when he invested in that venture he would have siloed it off from the rest of his very extensive portfolio. I'm not surprised that some of the people that the bankruptcy stung would try and get some of the money owed to them from our new owner but I'm sure he effectively separated that investment from his personal wealth and other business holdings.

I think it's a nothing burger. I think the AAF was a high risk investment whereas the Blazers are a very low risk investment.
 
blazerkor said:
There's no there there. If you read his bio you would have seen that he was the majority stake holder in the AAF. If you follow sports at all you know that the AAF went under. Obviously when he invested in that venture he would have siloed it off from the rest of his very extensive portfolio. I'm not surprised that some of the people that the bankruptcy stung would try and get some of the money owed to them from our new owner but I'm sure he effectively separated that investment from his personal wealth and other business holdings.

I think it's a nothing burger. I think the AAF was a high risk investment whereas the Blazers are a very low risk investment.
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That never even crossed my mind as obviously AAF investors like Dundon had limited liability. If that's why fans bring up AAF - because they think Dundon is personally liable, they know nothing about investing.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
I don't understand why people talk about this AAF being a negative with Dundon. A billionaire had one investment that was bad.

Do people delusionally think he's going to pick stocks perfect?
Do people think he embezzled money?

He poured some cash into the league and months later it went bankrupt. I've bought investments that became worthless too.

I don't see why this is anything other than a bullet point on a list of dozens of things he's done.
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It went belly-up less than 2 months after he invested.

It might not be relevant in any way to owning the blazers.

But it does suggest very strongly that he got conned and/or didn't do his due diligence and/or makes shitty decisions.

barfo
 
barfo said:
It went belly-up less than 2 months after he invested.

It might not be relevant in any way to owning the blazers.

But it does suggest very strongly that he got conned and/or didn't do his due diligence and/or makes shitty decisions.

barfo
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Dude grew up without anything and is a billionaire. You and others sure have a bizarre definition of somebody making shitty financial decisions.

Most wealthy people I know invest in dozens of endeavours that lose tons of money. But then they make 100x and more on the rare few that hit.

Dundon being able and willing to invest in something that lost money might not be a weakness - it might be a strength.
 
Think of an NBA player. Do you want someone who has an NBA career with 7 turnovers? I mean turnovers are bad right?

Or do you want a player career who has thousands of turnovers.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
I don't understand why people talk about this AAF being a negative with Dundon. A billionaire had one investment that was bad.

Do people delusionally think he's going to pick stocks perfect?
Do people think he embezzled money?

He poured some cash into the league and months later it went bankrupt. I've bought investments that became worthless too.

I don't see why this is anything other than a bullet point on a list of dozens of things he's done.
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People seem absolutely determined to tear this dude down.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Think of an NBA player. Do you want someone who has an NBA career with 7 turnovers? I mean turnovers are bad right?

Or do you want a player career who has thousands of turnovers.
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Doesn't LeBron have the most turnovers in the history of the NBA? Total bum.
 
Natebishop3 said:
People seem absolutely determined to tear this dude down.
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The guy wants to win. He has a quote that says wins matter more to him than profit. He's been a great owner for the Hurricanes, as far as their fans are concerned. He reportedly is prioritizing keeping our team here. We actually will have an owner again and not just people managing our former owner's trust.

People that want to dislike this guy as the owner of our team with only the above information to go off of are people who want to find any reason to be negative. It's no way to live. I understand apprehension during any sort of transition but to lean towards unwarranted apprehension is a foolish way to operate.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Dude grew up without anything and is a billionaire. You and others sure have a bizarre definition of somebody making shitty financial decisions.

Most wealthy people I know invest in dozens of endeavours that lose tons of money. But then they make 100x and more on the rare few that hit.

Dundon being able and willing to invest in something that lost money might not be a weakness - it might be a strength.
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Investing in something that doesn't work out in the long run - there's no shame in that.

This is more like lighting money on fire. It doesn't even qualify as gambling, if you don't have a chance of winning.

But maybe he had some other reason for doing it. Maybe he bought it from a children's cancer center, which needed cash?

That said, I don't think this means he'll be a bad owner.

barfo
 
It's not tearing someone down to note he's imperfect and made a bad decision. I'm glad sale is done so no more uncertainty. For the rest, wait and see.
 
barfo said:
Investing in something that doesn't work out in the long run - there's no shame in that.

This is more like lighting money on fire. It doesn't even qualify as gambling, if you don't have a chance of winning.

But maybe he had some other reason for doing it. Maybe he bought it from a children's cancer center, which needed cash?

That said, I don't think this means he'll be a bad owner.

barfo
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Or maybe he thought he could quickly turn it around and get some other big sources of revenue, but it didn't work out. Who knows, there could have been thousands of great reasons for him to make the investment. The guy has a track record of many of his investments working great. Its expected that some will flop.

Bizarre to cherry pick one of his worst and try to view that in isolation while ignoring the other dozens that worked great. I don't understand any of this AAF criticism.
 
crandc said:
It's not tearing someone down to note he's imperfect and made a bad decision. I'm glad sale is done so no more uncertainty. For the rest, wait and see.
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Yeah I'm fine with listing it along with dozens of his investments that worked great and show that some work and some don't. Same as in an NBA game we list turnovers.

But people are singling out this AAF as though its a bad reflection on Dundon. It's not - it's just a normal expected result of some investments not working out. Wealthy investors have tons that work and tons that don't.
 
Yes. Not everything they touch turns to gold. But story was written to imply, correctly or not, there was something sketchy. I am far more concerned about him being a Trumper. Will Blazers cancel Black History Month? Pride?
 
crandc said:
Yes. Not everything they touch turns to gold. But story was written to imply, correctly or not, there was something sketchy. I am far more concerned about him being a Trumper. Will Blazers cancel Black History Month? Pride?
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Might be unusual to people in Portland or Oakland. But most of the country is - and especially sport franchise owners. Thats why the guy got handily elected twice.
 
crandc said:
Yes. Not everything they touch turns to gold. But story was written to imply, correctly or not, there was something sketchy.
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Yeah this is the sentiment I have read and it makes zero sense to me.

Was he embezzling money that should have gone to players? If so then report what he actually did wrong.

If not then it's just a bunch of sensationalism and hysterical speculation.
 
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