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Amen. These last second plays should always go in the direction of a guy who the defense doesn't expect. Such as Ariza or Sweetney, two rookies. The play to the center is known and targeted. I feel your pain, Tribute. It's pissing me off as well.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Tribute to H2O:</div><div class="quote_post">They draw up those kind of plays for him because that's what he was brought in to do as an athletic big man. Isiah didnt bring him in for his post up play. Isiah traded for him so he can rise to the occasion(and the basket) and bail the Knicks out. He is not living up to his end of the bargain and it's pissing me off!</div>
After he chokes up like that all the time, why do they still make it for him. I mean he wasn't even inserted until this play. He's unclutch, plus hurt (even thought he should've made it) I would have never run a last second play for him again, I don't even know if I'll let him set a screen for me. Who knows if he'll get an offensive foul or something?

I am very dissapointed!!
 
Bah. Don't lay the blame on Mohhamed saying he should've made it. The man can barely walk nevertheless soar into the air to make a contested layup with the game on the line in 1 second. I blame Herb 98% of the way and Mohhamed about 2%. Herb had some nice plays drawn up against Charlotte, but they were undectable tonight.
Really bad coaching.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Knicks Analyst:</div><div class="quote_post">Bah. Don't lay the blame on Mohhamed saying he should've made it. The man can barely walk nevertheless soar into the air to make a contested layup with the game on the line in 1 second. I blame Herb 98% of the way and Mohhamed about 2%. Herb had some nice plays drawn up against Charlotte, but they were undectable tonight.
Really bad coaching.</div>

It's not all his fault. The blame goes all the way around. From Marbury's missed jumper to Kurt Thomas's defensive lapse to JYD's missed free throw to Herb Williams' questionable decision to run that play with Mohammed. But Mohammed had a nice look which is surprising since we've run that play on the 76'rs twice already in the same kind of situations. I can understand not being able to get back on defense with the kind of injury Mohammed has, but missing that kind of chippy is unacceptable. It just is. If I was a teammate of Mohammed I would tell him too. Those are simply the kind of plays he has to finish, groin pull or no. On the bright side Sweetney looks great out there. I cant wait to see what kind of duo him and Ariza becomes.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Tribute to H2O:</div><div class="quote_post">It's not all his fault. The blame goes all the way around. From Marbury's missed jumper to Kurt Thomas's defensive lapse to JYD's missed free throw to Herb Williams' questionable decision to run that play with Mohammed. But Mohammed had a nice look which is surprising since we've run that play on the 76'rs twice already in the same kind of situations. I can understand not being able to get back on defense with the kind of injury Mohammed has, but missing that kind of chippy is unacceptable. It just is. If I was a teammate of Mohammed I would tell him too. Those are simply the kind of plays he has to finish, groin pull or no. On the bright side Sweetney looks great out there. I cant wait to see what kind of duo him and Ariza becomes.</div>I agree with 99% of that. Very well said.
I think it's safe to say most of the blame belongs to this man (I messed his face up :-p ):
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<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Knicks Analyst:</div><div class="quote_post">I agree with 99% of that. Very well said.
I think it's safe to say most of the blame belongs to this man (I messed his face up :-p ):
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hebe is so cute
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but do you think knicks give up this season and choose a good rookie?
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Hardaway:</div><div class="quote_post">hebe is so cute
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Uhh....
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Are you...female?
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Knicks Analyst:</div><div class="quote_post">Uhh....
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Are you...female?</div>

haha ..no ...just play
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Hardaway:</div><div class="quote_post">haha ..no ...just play</div>
LOL.
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Got me good.
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Damn. All I can really say. This just totally sucks to see as a Knicks fan. Man come on Kurt, come on. That was pathetic on his part, and the fact that Nazi came so close at the end but missed was just what I needed. Man oh man, the way we were coming back I was damn excited only to see Marbury get fouled and a ref not call it and then see him throw up a brick. They called timeout I was mad as hell especially seeing AI limping or something. It seemed like he wanted some attention for it. Nazi man, come on, come on. Yeah you're groin was hurting you but don't even call for the ball like you did unless you're gonna put it in the hoop. That was an ugly game for the Knicks. Uglier than Kyle Korver.
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Bad officiating? Yeah Kurt Thomas shoulda got called for a illegal screen by sicking his legs out tripping AI.

That's bad officiating.

Man, the Knicks are in the tubes big time.
 
I did say before the match started that we'd lose. There seems to be a fair bit of misplaced optimism on this board - lots of people believing we can win when we clearly can't. Iverson destroyed us last team and it seems any team with a remotely good guard can do the same.

Will we bounce back on Wednesday? I honestly doubt it. Redd will be the 'remotely good guard' who 'will do the same'.
 
Hardaway is definitely my favorite poster.

KnicksUS is about as optimistic as a jew living in europe in the 1940s.

How the hell was Jackson so wide open?

Sweetneys low-post moves are only going to get better.

No one here thinks Tim Thomas is any better than he was before he got injured, right?

Why do we always lose games that could potentially put us right back into the race?
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Hardaway is definitely my favorite poster.

KnicksUK is about as optimistic as a jew living in europe in the 1940s.

How the hell was Jackson so wide open?

Sweetneys low-post moves are only going to get better.

No one here thinks Tim Thomas is any better than he was before he got injured, right?

Why do we always lose games that could potentially put us right back into the race? 😢
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Need4Sheed:</div><div class="quote_post">Bad officiating? Yeah Kurt Thomas shoulda got called for a illegal screen by sicking his legs out tripping AI.

That's bad officiating.

Man, the Knicks are in the tubes big time.</div>
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Are you kidding me? You think you guys got no calls? I watching the game with a couple of friends of mine from Philly - huge Sixers fans, big time homers. And even those guys I was watching it with said it was Philly-biased.
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I know KA, I was just messin. I think when the Knicks getta new coach they'll be alright.

But on the other hand, I think your legs must be shoulder legnth width on a screen. THomas was in split eagle on that one. Lol
 
They showed it again and Iverson tripped over Kurt's legs. Anyway, if anything they had no right to call it after the way Iverson chopped Marbury across his back. What a bunch of idiots. It was so blatant and yet they happen to miss it?
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Blame the team not the officials. If we had had a 10 point lead one dodgy call wouldn't have made such a big deal.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting KnicksUK:</div><div class="quote_post">Blame the team not the officials. If we had had a 10 point lead one dodgy call wouldn't have made such a big deal.</div>

You're sort of missing the point. The point is a foul should have been called. Period. There's nothing else after that. Granted if we had a ten point lead we would have won but if the official made the right decision and called the foul we would have won. We shouldnt have to win the game by ten points to come away with a win.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Tribute to H2O:</div><div class="quote_post">You're sort of missing the point. The point is a foul should have been called. Period. There's nothing else after that. Granted if we had a ten point lead we would have won but if the official made the right decision and called the foul we would have won. We shouldnt have to win the game by ten points to come away with a win.</div>

Very good response to that post. We weren't up by 10 points KnicksUK, thats the facts. We had made a comeback and if that was called, it couldve changed the outcome of the game a <u>huge</u> way.
 
DAMN THAT IS ONE HELL OF A GAME THREAD!!!! Sorry, I had to type that in caps. Great job. You covered everything well.
 
If we had won the last 20 games and lost this one because of a foul not being called then that would be fair enough but ONE call does not decide a game. Think of the shots we missed and the missed offensive rebounds. That is what loses games, not officials. I think it's easier to blame the officials but the problem lies with the team - the league standings show that.

The officials are not robots - they can make mistakes and that is part of the game.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting KnicksUK:</div><div class="quote_post">If we had won the last 20 games and lost this one because of a foul not being called then that would be fair enough but ONE call does not decide a game. Think of the shots we missed and the missed offensive rebounds. That is what loses games, not officials. I think it's easier to blame the officials but the problem lies with the team - the league standings show that.

The officials are not robots - they can make mistakes and that is part of the game.</div>
I know. It is not always the officials fault but, every team makes mistakes. No team is perfect either. We rebounded pretty well and especially Michael Sweetney, but we showed effort to come and make a run at the end and the silly part about the no call is it was right in front of him.

Down the stretch missed freethrows, missed boards, and others play a part however, I don't think it would be totally fair to mention those blunders without mentioning some of the blunders of the official especially if it is at the waning minutes of a game that meant so much for both teams.
 
If it was right in front of him then he clearly saw it and didn't judge it to be a foul. If he didn't judge it to be a foul then that's a decision we have to live with. There have been times when a fouls been called that I hadn't seen and we benefitted from that but nobody complains about that. If we had been winning and philly got a call not given by the officials nobody here would have said a thing about it. It's part of the game, the official saw it and didn't give it. That's good enough for me and I accept it as a decision. Arguing about it now will change nothing so let's just look towards the next game......which we will probably lose
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I need us to blowout a team to restore any sort of optimism I once had in the Knicks!
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting KnicksUK:</div><div class="quote_post">If it was right in front of him then he clearly saw it and didn't judge it to be a foul. If he didn't judge it to be a foul then that's a decision we have to live with. There have been times when a fouls been called that I hadn't seen and we benefitted from that but nobody complains about that. If we had been winning and philly got a call not given by the officials nobody here would have said a thing about it. It's part of the game, the official saw it and didn't give it. That's good enough for me and I accept it as a decision. Arguing about it now will change nothing so let's just look towards the next game......which we will probably lose
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I need us to blowout a team to restore any sort of optimism I once had in the Knicks!</div>

What is so hard to understand about this situation? A foul is a foul. Period. When there is a foul there should be a whistle. Period. And a foul should be called. Period. We arent talking about all those other games that we lost. We're talking about this one that we probably should have won. If there is a foul called that you didnt see you probably missed it as I have yet to see a game where the Knicks got an unfair advantage in officiating. If anything not enough fouls are called. I personally dont like to complain about officiating but if the ref was right there and saw the foul and refused to call it there is a problem. A referee not calling a foul when he saw a foul isnt something that we should just accept. At least I dont accept it. He isn't doing his job and that is unacceptable. You're not an optimistic person are you? If we do lose the next game and we there's a good chance we will I'd rather we go out and lose it on our own then have some idiot ref decide he wants to see the Knicks lose.

If you need a blowout to restore your faith in the Knicks, you might as well stop watching games now and get ready for next season.
 
Of course I'm not going to stop watching the Knicks but until we show we can blowout a team like others have done to us several times this season, then I refuse to be optimistic when I watch a game. I have NO reason to believe we will win the next game, why should I?

I think you missed my point regarding the officiating, but like I said it's not important, 1 game in 82 is a drop in the ocean and knowing the Knicks at the moment, it's not like we'd have made the free throws anyway.
 
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