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crandc said:
Trump has repeatedly made announcements of charitable donations that were never donated.
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yes, now lets talk about the clinton foundation.

Not surprised people on here still take sides when EVERY fucking president has been corrupt. Politicians, etc. But hey this person is on our side so lets defend them till the end. Waiting for people to catch up and realize they all suck
 
rasheedfan2005 said:
Trump is right. If you disrespect our armed forces as a public protest to something completely unrelated to the armed forces you are a son of a bitch. Nfl players and the like are at work which is not a place to protest. My grandpa fought in 3 wars for these cocksuckers to have the freedom to get paid millions to throw a ball. Show a little respect to our armed forces. If you want to protest do so by not becomming a statistic. How about go back to the communities you came from and teach kids that crime doesnt pay and teach them to respect authority. Maybe a few generations from now there wont be such a disconnect between law authority and community. Or better yet, move to north korea and stand for their national anthem because we dont want your communist ass here anyway.
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How is kneeling being disrespectful to our armed forces?
 
Cippy91 said:
I don't care they did what they did yesterday, I am saying it wasn't genuine, meaning the place colin came from doing it wasn't the same as the players yesterday. It become a circle jerk of team statements and things players were saying. That's all I am saying. Not that I agree or disagree with it, I just question where it came from
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The NFL is a brotherhood. They take care of their own. When the President of the United States calls a player a "son of a bitch" for protesting, it's an attack on the entire NFL. They may have not done it for the same reasons as Colin, but that doesn't make it any less valid.
 
crandc said:
Trump has repeatedly made announcements of charitable donations that were never donated.
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It only takes a little research to show he's already made the donations.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...rricane-harvey-relief/?utm_term=.abffbf10413e

President Trump gave $1 million of his own money to charities helping the Houston area recover from Hurricane Harvey, splitting the gift among 12 nonprofits, the White House announced Wednesday.

The gift had been promised late last week. In a statement, the White House said that Trump and first lady Melania Trump had witnessed some of these charities at work firsthand during their two visits to areas of Texas hit by the hurricane, which was the biggest rainstorm recorded in the history of the continental United States.

The White House said other recipients were “recommended, at the invitation of the President, by members of the White House Press Corps,” the White House statement said.

The two biggest individual gifts were given to large, mainstream charities: the American Red Cross and the Salvation Army would get $300,000 each, the White House said.
 
Sedatedfork said:
The NFL is a brotherhood. They take care of their own. When the President of the United States calls a player a "son of a bitch" for protesting, it's an attack on the entire NFL. They may have not done it for the same reasons as Colin, but that doesn't make it any less valid.
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okay then I am confused because you have people on here saying it's about racism so how about you all come to a conclusion and then come back with an answer. It's obviously against donald trump. I am not sitting here saying they shouldn't do it but people on here keep ignoring what I am saying and only trying to say why it's okay. I said yeah that's cool, I don't care why they are doing it, I just think it's another way of virtue signaling
 
Cippy91 said:
I don't care they did what they did yesterday, I am saying it wasn't genuine, meaning the place colin came from doing it wasn't the same as the players yesterday. It become a circle jerk of team statements and things players were saying. That's all I am saying. Not that I agree or disagree with it, I just question where it came from
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I would counter it is a position on a cause that had been gaining momentum as more players had already been taking a knee during the anthem this season and teammates had voiced their support of their position. not trying to trigger any response from you, but the evidence appears to support that the president triggered a response that had been simmering just below the surface. I don't follow social media, so I could easily be wrong in my perception.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
How is kneeling being disrespectful to our armed forces?
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Why do you not understand to a lot out there, they think it's disrespectful? this is no different when I tried to say "hey guys I say the word gay in my private life" and everybody jumped me saying "no, it's not right no matter what". Because some people think that's disrespectful as well. You can't be ignorant to this stuff
 
lawai'a said:
I would counter it is a position on a cause that had been gaining momentum as more players had already been taking a knee during the anthem this season and teammates had voiced their support of their position. not trying to trigger any response from you, but the evidence appears to support that the president triggered a response that had been simmering just below the surface. I don't follow social media, so I could easily be wrong in my perception.
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Well I encourage you to check out social media and you will see the virtue signaling I am talking about. There were people who had pictures taken of them kneeling in front of their tv during the game and anthem. It's gotten out of hand. Like I said, whether they kneel for trump or racism, I don't care, go for it. I am just reminding people on here that not everybody thinks the same, there are a lot who still think it's disrecpectful
 
Denny Crane said:
So what they post on social media isn't what they really mean?

I take their word for it.
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no just pointing out to you Pittsburgh's violent streak in sports fandom, especially steeler fans. wasn't it fans violence during a game, throwing shit onto the field that started the alcohol ban there?
 
Cippy91 said:
okay then I am confused because you have people on here saying it's about racism so how about you all come to a conclusion and then come back with an answer. It's obviously against donald trump. I am not sitting here saying they shouldn't do it but people on here keep ignoring what I am saying and only trying to say why it's okay. I said yeah that's cool, I don't care why they are doing it, I just think it's another way of virtue signaling
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I didn't say why they were doing it. People probably did it for different reasons. Some because of Trump, some because of racial inequality, some because of both. It's not virtue signalling when you support your family, friends, etc. when they are attacked. But if it makes you feel better about it to give it a label, okay...
 
If you're being triggered by someone kneeling that makes you the snowflake.
 
Cippy91 said:
Well I encourage you to check out social media and you will see the virtue signaling I am talking about. There were people who had pictures taken of them kneeling in front of their tv during the game and anthem. It's gotten out of hand. Like I said, whether they kneel for trump or racism, I don't care, go for it. I am just reminding people on here that not everybody thinks the same, there are a lot who still think it's disrecpectful
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Oh, so you really aren't upset at the players, you are upset about people on social media. Well I can't help you there. Maybe, don't go on social media if it upsets you?
 
Cippy91 said:
Well I encourage you to check out social media and you will see the virtue signaling I am talking about. There were people who had pictures taken of them kneeling in front of their tv during the game and anthem. It's gotten out of hand. Like I said, whether they kneel for trump or racism, I don't care, go for it. I am just reminding people on here that not everybody thinks the same, there are a lot who still think it's disrecpectful
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I agree, not everyone feels the same on this issue, but, non violent political activism has a long history of uniting americans, not all but a majority, to aeffect social injustices and what you see on social media might just be a sea change in people willing to show solidarity and take a stand.
 
lawai'a said:
it is preferable to another ferguson riot
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Oh man! The cause of that riot should be fully understood and the causes corrected. There should not ever be another American city torched, small or large for any civil reason.
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lawai'a said:
no just pointing out to you Pittsburgh's violent streak in sports fandom, especially steeler fans. wasn't it fans violence during a game, throwing shit onto the field that started the alcohol ban there?
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football fans in general are pretty violent and crazy, go to an NFL game, you will see. It's bad
 
Sedatedfork said:
Oh, so you really aren't upset at the players, you are upset about people on social media. Well I can't help you there. Maybe, don't go on social media if it upsets you?
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No, I think the players and teams are annoying as well. Like I said it was not done from a genuine place. It simply was about spiting the president which okay cool whatever but it honestly just divided people further because the people that believe in standing for the anthem are now super pissed. So it kinda backfired in a way
 
SlyPokerDog said:
How is kneeling being disrespectful to our armed forces?
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Because they fight and die for the flag and what it represents. Back when i was a liberal snowflake i remember refusing to salute the flag. Now im ashamed i ever did that. Especially when my entire family has been to war for this country.
 
funny to me the people in here refuse to believe people should take that much pride in a flag or song when all through out history those things were some of the most powerful things that made a country or movement, war, etc. Brazilians go fucking ape shit over their flag and country. How dare there be Americans out there who take it seriously.
 
Cippy91 said:
No, I think the players and teams are annoying as well. Like I said it was not done from a genuine place. It simply was about spiting the president which okay cool whatever but it honestly just divided people further because the people that believe in standing for the anthem are now super pissed. So it kinda backfired in a way
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I actually think it backfired on Trump. I get there are different views on it. If I was a player, I would have been pretty upset that Trump decided to target NFL players who are being peaceful. I'm not sure what I would do if I was a player. I always stand for the flag, remove my hat and do all the respectful things Trump wants me to do. That's what's great about America. Everyone has the right to their own beliefs, opinions, and right to express themselves. If anything, it brought more attention to the issue and galvanized the players together on this issue for the most part. If I was a player, I might have taken a knee really to protest Trump's comments and to show support to my fellow players. And also to show Trump that America is about freedom of expression. A flag means nothing if you don't have the rights that stand behind the symbol that the flag means.

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Cippy91 said:
football fans in general are pretty violent and crazy, go to an NFL game, you will see. It's bad
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I am quite willing to take your word as gospel. it seems that the negative publicity about concussions has already doomed the sport from where it once was. my daughter's already decided that the risks far outweigh the benefits in allowing my grandson to participate. she feels that other fall sports will provide the same team building benefits. our conversations indicate that many parents are taking a similar approach to their childrens development.
 
lawai'a said:
I am quite willing to take your word as gospel. it seems that the negative publicity about concussions has already doomed the sport from where it once was. my daughter's already decided that the risks far outweigh the benefits in allowing my grandson to participate. she feels that other fall sports will provide the same team building benefits. our conversations indicate that many parents are taking a similar approach to their childrens development.
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CTE is real real serious, I know my future kids will not be participating. I played football for a couple years, nothing crazy but rocked my bell a few times and apparently just those are mini concussions. What the NFL does terribly is not address it. These guys are getting so many concussions and then towards the end of their careers or later in their lives they start acting crazy and shit, that's CTE for you.
 
Mediocre Man said:
While I understand the reason, and COMPLETELY agree that there is an issue that needs to be fixed. I don't like the whole kneeling thing.

How will you react if one or more of the Blazers kneels or sits during the Anthem?
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Easy.
If it one of the new guys, I will hope they are cut, traded or just disappear.

If it is a Blazer regular, same response and turn the friggin game off if I ever get one on TV.
 
lawai'a said:
I am quite willing to take your word as gospel. it seems that the negative publicity about concussions has already doomed the sport from where it once was. my daughter's already decided that the risks far outweigh the benefits in allowing my grandson to participate. she feels that other fall sports will provide the same team building benefits. our conversations indicate that many parents are taking a similar approach to their childrens development.
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this was just a couple months ago, a new study and it's crazy


A neuropathologist has examined the brains of 111 N.F.L. players — and 110 were found to have C.T.E., the degenerative disease linked to repeated blows to the head.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/07/25/sports/football/nfl-cte.html?mcubz=1
 
lawai'a said:
no just pointing out to you Pittsburgh's violent streak in sports fandom, especially steeler fans. wasn't it fans violence during a game, throwing shit onto the field that started the alcohol ban there?
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You do see your logic flaw, right?
 
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